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4k or 1080p? Polaroid or not?

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I've just posted these questions under a comments section but I thought it might be best to open my post up to everyone. Basically, from those of you in the know or more technically-informed than mys… Read More
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8m, 3d agoPosted 8 months, 3 days ago
I've just posted these questions under a comments section but I thought it might be best to open my post up to everyone. Basically, from those of you in the know or more technically-informed than myself, would you say that a) there is a noticeable difference between 1080p and 4k ultra HD in terms of picture quality? I know some upgrades can be technically better but whether the average Joe would notice a big difference? Also b) whether a Polaroid 1080p 55" at £299 is a good value/choice in TV? I've seen offers at ASDA for one of these. I have a budget but also do not plan to buy another TV for a while so is it worth spending extra for 4k/another brand? If anyone also has any suggestions or experiences with great 55" TVs that would be fab. Thanks :)
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8m, 3d agoPosted 8 months, 3 days ago
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#1
Polaroid is only a trademark and is not made by Polaroid. .
#3
poloraid tvs are ****. come on, £299 for a 1080p 55" tv - HAHAHAH!

yes, there is a noticeable difference between a 4k tv to a 1080p tv. you would even notice a drastic difference between a £300 4k tv to a £700 4k tv and a drastic difference between a £300 1080p tv to a £700 1080p tv.

i wouldn't get the £299 tv you're talking about. what's your budget exactly?

http://www.techradar.com/news/television/tv/10-best-50-inch-tvs-in-the-world-today-902184

seriously, just pick a tv and google the reviews. then make your decision.

hope you get the tv you want! :)

Edited By: BeerDrinker on Nov 16, 2016 19:22
#4
a) Depends on the size and viewing distance. For the most typical sizes and distances there's little difference. You either have to have a huge TV or sit very close (under 2m away).

b)Vestel (who make polaris/toshiba/hitatchi/jvc/finlux branded TVs) are the world's third largest TV manufacturer so plenty of people buy them. £300 for a 55" is very much a budget model though so it's going to be difficult to find good reviews of any models at that price.


That's Polarioid branded TVs for the US market, I'm pretty sure the ones here are Vestel, but they may be Arcilek.


Edited By: EndlessWaves on Nov 16, 2016 19:30
#5
My dad used to tell me you get what you pay for. Whilst mostly I agree, there are some products over-priced because people will pay. The iphone and Samsung S7 are good examples. They are over-priced in my opinion but people will pay to have a top end phone. TV's though you get what you pay for and I have had unbranded or cheap tv's last a good length of time but I got bit once with an early LCD TV made by Pentus allegedly with a Samsung panel. It made no difference and lasted just 18 months and it cost considerably more than your £299 Polaroid.

My only advice if this is to be your living room or main tv then buy something different. I have viewed the 4k examples of LG and Samsung placed either side of a 1080 Sony TV in Currys. At my normal viewing distance the Sony was the clear winner on all channels but if you put that Sony next to a £1,000.00 4k tv then no doubt the dearer tv will have a better image. A decent picture is not just about how many pixels the screen has. For example tell me why the HD picture on my sky box is better than the same HD channel of my tv or set top box. It will be down to the electronics in the tuner and how it's processed. Personally I think 4k is a gimmick. Freeview will never have the bandwidth to transmit anything in 4k or certainly not whilst sky have an interest in freeview. The amount of HD channels available on sky is ridiculously high when compared to the lowly 11 channels of freeview and whilst some will say that is also due to bandwidth then why are there still only a low amount of HD channels on freesat which isn't governed by bandwidth like freeview is. Sky will exploit 4k like they did and still are with HD and unless you have fibre and can stream then 4k is just a waste of time, not to mention that it's a well known fact the 4k tv's can't transmit as good a picture in SD as 1080 tv's can. Don't take my word for 4k. Look at the link below from an expert and just remember that a £1000.00 1080 tv is going to be better than a £500.00 4k tv and vice versa. Also tv's are very much a personal choice. If you like what you see then buy it but don't just buy it because it has a big screen and a low price.

https://www.cnet.com/uk/news/why-ultra-hd-4k-tvs-are-still-stupid/
http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2013/01/27/resolution_chart.jpg



Edited By: Smartguy1 on Nov 16, 2016 22:16
#6
At that price go for a Hisense you won't be disappointed
#7
Smartguy1
Personally I think 4k is a gimmick. Freeview will never have the bandwidth to transmit anything in 4k or certainly not whilst sky have an interest in freeview.

I disagree that 4K is a gimmick just because potentially there will never be any 4K channels on Freeview. I haven't read anywhere that a 4K TV has been sold on the premise of 4K coming to Freeview. I've always understood 4K content will be available through the internet or Bluray.

Smartguy1
...not to mention that it's a well known fact the 4k tv's can't transmit as good a picture in SD as 1080 tv's can.

My £650 Sony does a cracking job upscaling SD to 4K and I'm sure there are many other brands that are capable.
#8
Budget limiting get a better quality branded 1080p set rather than a non brand 4k.
Picture processing and motion handling count for a lot on TV's and the big names such as Panasonic, LG and Samsung probibly make the best. Sony is overpriced IMO and good value can be got with Hisense although their low and mid range sets are no cheaper than Vestel (who also make some cheap Panasonics ad well as those mentioned by others).
Given there's naff all 4K content and most will argue that a 1080p blu-ray offers better quality than most 4K streams there is a strong argument to buy a good 1080p set.
Colour, contrast, motion handling and producing good blacks are IMO more important than having comprimised 4K. Go to one of the big chains with your own content on a pendrive and let your eyes be the judge.
#9
My £650 Sony does a cracking job upscaling SD to 4K and I'm sure there are many other brands that are capable.[/quote]

We are all entitled to our opinion however if you tentatively ask the right questions in Currys you would be amazed what you get told. With regards to 4k content this again is an individual's choice. I don't wish to go and purchase a 4k bluray. Although I have a bluray player I don't believe I have ever bought a bluray disc and if buying films they are in dvd format. Most of my viewing is via terrestrial tv hence no real need for streaming either and it was pointless until last week when fibre was finally connected up.

I think you hit the nail on the head with your tv though. Sony and £650.00. In your case you have got what you pay for and I don't doubt your Sony does a good job but it is a fact that 4k tv's do not upscale SD channels as well as 1080 tv's. Whether you can see this with the naked eye or not I don't know but my previous comment still stands when viewing the 1080 Sony in Currys which was in between an LG 49" 4k and Samsung 50" 4k. I can't remember all the models now but the Sony was easily the clear winner in SD marginally better in HD channels.

One thing I noticed though when I got Sky back is the image quality of my LG tv improved by about 20%. It was like someone had switched it on and given it a turbo boost. The picture is amazing, no doubt down to the processing quality of the sky box compared to the LG tuner. I am told that LG's don't upscale as well as other brands so no doubt your Sony 4k would possibly upscale better than my LG. It's horses for courses and today's 4k tv's probably give you a better picture overall than 1080 tv's of 3 or 4 years ago but in my test one of the last 1080 tv's to be made by Sony ran rings round the 4k offerings of Samsung and slightly better than the LG. That could have been down to the panel as that model of Samsung has a Che Mei (Innolux) panel and not Samsung's own. I found the model numbers I tested. Sony KDL-W809C, LG UF770V and Samsung 50 UE50JU6800. The Samsung was not very good at all which was a shame as that was the one I went to buy. The only thing I didn't like about the Sony was the awful stand and remote. It wouldn't have put me off buying it but Currys had no stock. If I had bought that day I think it may have been the LG.
#10
Smartguy1
My £650 Sony does a cracking job upscaling SD to 4K and I'm sure there are many other brands that are capable.
We are all entitled to our opinion however if you tentatively ask the right questions in Currys you would be amazed what you get told. With regards to 4k content this again is an individual's choice. I don't wish to go and purchase a 4k bluray. Although I have a bluray player I don't believe I have ever bought a bluray disc and if buying films they are in dvd format. Most of my viewing is via terrestrial tv hence no real need for streaming either and it was pointless until last week when fibre was finally connected up.
I think you hit the nail on the head with your tv though. Sony and £650.00. In your case you have got what you pay for and I don't doubt your Sony does a good job but it is a fact that 4k tv's do not upscale SD channels as well as 1080 tv's. Whether you can see this with the naked eye or not I don't know but my previous comment still stands when viewing the 1080 Sony in Currys which was in between an LG 49" 4k and Samsung 50" 4k. I can't remember all the models now but the Sony was easily the clear winner in SD marginally better in HD channels.
One thing I noticed though when I got Sky back is the image quality of my LG tv improved by about 20%. It was like someone had switched it on and given it a turbo boost. The picture is amazing, no doubt down to the processing quality of the sky box compared to the LG tuner. I am told that LG's don't upscale as well as other brands so no doubt your Sony 4k would possibly upscale better than my LG. It's horses for courses and today's 4k tv's probably give you a better picture overall than 1080 tv's of 3 or 4 years ago but in my test one of the last 1080 tv's to be made by Sony ran rings round the 4k offerings of Samsung and slightly better than the LG. That could have been down to the panel as that model of Samsung has a Che Mei (Innolux) panel and not Samsung's own. I found the model numbers I tested. Sony KDL-W809C, LG UF770V and Samsung 50 UE50JU6800. The Samsung was not very good at all which was a shame as that was the one I went to buy. The only thing I didn't like about the Sony was the awful stand and remote. It wouldn't have put me off buying it but Currys had no stock. If I had bought that day I think it may have been the LG.




Have the 807C myself. Think only difference is the 807 is 900hz Motion Flow and 809 is 1000hz Motion flow, slightly different stand design and colour. The thing is also I'd say more than likely the one you also seen in Curry's probably didn't have the latest firmware upgrade done either. This series runs Android TV so the firmware is rather important along with the fact when the 807C first came out it had so many firmware related issues stores took quite heavy returns and discounted quite heavily, most was not even fixed until April of this year (after about 4 previous firmware releases). as you said I'm very happy and content with my non-4K TV even with the fact I have an Nvidia shield with easy access to 4K content I'm actually still one of those who like 3D! Bagged my 50" for £320 during the Amazon Warehouse deals clearout sale after around 6 months of owning zero regrets but not everyone remembers when they buy a TV especially anything running an OS like Android/Firefox to check what firmware version they are running straight away and upgrade to the latest release. Not that I'm complaining since you can end up picking up some real bargains because of heavy returns!


Edited By: cecilmcroberts on Nov 17, 2016 22:57
#11
Thank you all for replying - food for thought for sure. I guess I was hoping that TVs were like phones where you tend to overpay on some brands and get similar tech on unknown brands. But yes my budget is the ultimate priority and restriction at the mo. I don't know if you guys have seen the deals come Black Friday's but if you have, do you think I could get a better TV for that price during that day?

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