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Hi I would like to upgrade my Tv. At the moment I have a 39" Toshiba HD, a humax freesat box, DVD player, and Roku box. I have a budget of around £600, make be able to stretch it a tad higher. I'v… Read More
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3m, 4w agoPosted 3 months, 4 weeks ago
Hi I would like to upgrade my Tv. At the moment I have a 39" Toshiba HD, a humax freesat box, DVD player, and Roku box. I have a budget of around £600, make be able to stretch it a tad higher.

I've been keeping an eye on deals advertised on this site and Samsung are looking reasonable as are Hisense (which I've never heard of). I also like the idea of buying from John Lewis due to guarantee. 8 bit and 10 bit are mentioned regularly too.....but don't understand all the technical details....totally confused, so any help would be very welcomed.
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3m, 4w agoPosted 3 months, 4 weeks ago
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#1
I have one for sale if you want it, it's a LG 43UH750V. £400 only bought it in June.
#2
gadger100
I have one for sale if you want it, it's a LG 43UH750V. £400 only bought it in June.


Thanks but I'd rather buy a new one
#3
I'm currently in love with my Philips Ambilight: http://www.argos.co.uk/product/5288906

I'm sure people will be on to advise you in more depth/offer differing opinions but that's my choice.
#4
John Lewis has Samsung UE49KU6400 for £549, only 8 bit , but still a great tv, which gave it a high rating. I bought the currys version Samsung UE49KU6470 and I'm very happy with it.

Edited By: BB_play on Dec 24, 2016 14:00
#5
BB_play
John Lewis has Samsung UE49KU6400 for £549, only 8 bit , but still a great tv, which gave it a high rating. I bought the currys version Samsung UE49KU6470 and I'm very happy with it.


Thanks I've read reviews on these two and a few recommend the sound would be better with a sound bar?
#6
jocky32000
BB_play
John Lewis has Samsung UE49KU6400 for £549, only 8 bit , but still a great tv, which gave it a high rating. I bought the currys version Samsung UE49KU6470 and I'm very happy with it.
Thanks I've read reviews on these two and a few recommend the sound would be better with a sound bar?

Yeah the sounds ok, but I did buy a sound bar SAMSUNG HW-K430 around £130
#7
@jocky: What size are you looking at? Each size you go up tends to increase prices by around £100 so there are quite different TVs at £500-600 at 43" than there are at the same price at 55".

LoRdPlOps111
I'm currently in love with my Philips Ambilight: http://www.argos.co.uk/product/5288906
I'm sure people will be on to advise you in more depth/offer differing opinions but that's my choice.

The next model up, the 6501/6551/6561 gets better reviews and costs £600 at 49". The first two variants come with different stands, the third has ambilight along the top as well as the side.

The main issue with the philips here would be it's currently lack of UK catch-up players aside from iPlayer meaning it's not a particularly smart television. Hisense suffers from the same flaw and Samsung is currently missing All4.

Hisense's large and expensive models are quite good, The H55M7000 which is currently £630 is worth a look if 55" isn't too big. The smaller and lower end models seem to be less impressive and less good value.

Don't worry about 8-bit vs. 10-bit. It's not an issue this year. If you will be watching HDR content on it (you probably won't) then there are much bigger differences than that.

At 49/50" £500-700 my personal shortlist is Samsung's K6300 and KU6400, Panasonic's DX700, the philips 6561 mentioned above, Sony's XD80 and LG's 770v and 850v.

The LG's may be a bit too far above your budget, the 850v is £700 and the 770v £650. The rest are all £630 and below.

jocky32000
BB_play
John Lewis has Samsung UE49KU6400 for £549, only 8 bit , but still a great tv, which gave it a high rating. I bought the currys version Samsung UE49KU6470 and I'm very happy with it.

Thanks I've read reviews on these two and a few recommend the sound would be better with a sound bar?

That seems to be a fact of life with the current ultra-thin TVs with no forward facing speaker. From the reviews I've read the KU6400 is supposed to have some of the better built in speakers. The 850v and philips also seem to edge slightly ahead of the pack.


Edited By: EndlessWaves on Dec 24, 2016 14:12
#8
Thanks Endlesswaves! Rather go a little larger than I have but guess 55" it biggest my living room could take.
#9
If you're wanting a 4K tv then I suggest you get a proper 4K tv with 10bit panel otherwise you'd probably be just as wise to get a decent HD tv. If you must get a cheap 4K tv then probably Hisense but then it's probably not a proper 10bit panel.
#10
shauneco
If you're wanting a 4K tv then I suggest you get a proper 4K tv with 10bit panel otherwise you'd probably be just as wise to get a decent HD tv. If you must get a cheap 4K tv then probably Hisense but then it's probably not a proper 10bit panel.

But improper TVs are so much more fun!

On a more serious note why do you feel a 10-bit panel is valuable? The difference in picture quality is tiny, maybe a bit less banding, and there are much bigger differences in other areas of HDR support around this price like colour space and brightness.

And could you provide a link to the mythical beasty that is a decent Full HD TV? The K6300 seems to be about the only ones of this year's models up to scratch picture quality-wise, and even that is a bit lacking is smarts with the missing channel 4 catch-up player.

Edited By: EndlessWaves on Dec 24, 2016 20:11: typo
#11
I too would like to know why a 10bit panel matters, I can't find much HDR content, and given that most TV is 8bit, why pay the extra.
#12
EndlessWaves
shauneco
If you're wanting a 4K tv then I suggest you get a proper 4K tv with 10bit panel otherwise you'd probably be just as wise to get a decent HD tv. If you must get a cheap 4K tv then probably Hisense but then it's probably not a proper 10bit panel.
But improper TVs are so much more fun!
On a more seriously note why do you feel a 10-bit panel is valuable? The difference in picture quality is tiny, maybe a bit less banding, and there are much bigger differences in other areas of HDR support around this price like colour space and brightness.
And could you provide a link to the mythical beasty that is a decent Full HD TV? The K6300 seems to be about the only ones of this year's models up to scratch picture quality-wise, and even that is a bit lacking is smarts with the missing channel 4 catch-up player.
It's just more future proof imo, 4K offers little over standard 1080p with little content, It seems the manufacturers have now agreed on a standard for HDR and lots will find they aren't really getting the full 4K experience and may regret getting an 8bit panel. Some like the Hisense will still process the signal but probably won't display it as true etc..

I understand for most people they probably won't tell the difference and perhaps it's not really that important but then what are they buying a 4K tv for?.

On reflection you probably might as well just get a 4K tv because price wise there isn't a huge gap now.

Me personally, I've got one of the best 1080p Samsung TV's (H6400), I don't expect to be replacing that anytime soon, I don't see enough out there atm.







Edited By: shauneco on Dec 24, 2016 19:31: spell
#13
There's some good deals on Hisense if you dont mind a non mainstream brand....i've just replaced my 46" sony bravia with a 50" hisense 4k...the difference between the two is like night and day....google hisense and read reviews
#14
shauneco
It's just more future proof imo

Yes, you've said that several times but you don't seem willing to elaborate why that particular part of HDR support is especially important compared to the several other ways HDR support differs between TVs in this price range.

For example the Rec 709 vs. 90% DCI P3 colour gamut difference between the XD70>XD80, DX600>DX700, KU6000>KU6400, M3300>M7000 and 6501>7101.

Or the way that the Samsungs and Panasonics do a better job mapping 4000 nit content without clipping

Or the reduced brightness range of the Hisense M5500.

If you want the best of the partial HDR implementations available at this price then it's a lot more early-adopter complicated than just going for one with a 10-bit panel. If you're not bothered I don't see what benefits a 10-bit panel brings you.
#15
EndlessWaves
shauneco
It's just more future proof imo
Yes, you've said that several times but you don't seem willing to elaborate why that particular part of HDR support is especially important compared to the several other ways HDR support differs between TVs in this price range.
For example the Rec 709 vs. 90% DCI P3 colour gamut difference between the XD70>XD80, DX600>DX700, KU6000>KU6400, M3300>M7000 and 6501>7101.
Or the way that the Samsungs and Panasonics do a better job mapping 4000 nit content without clipping
Or the reduced brightness range of the Hisense M5500.
If you want the best of the partial HDR implementations available at this price then it's a lot more early-adopter complicated than just going for one with a 10-bit panel. If you're not bothered I don't see what benefits a 10-bit panel brings you.

I guess so, You would have to pay much more for little benefit, Then you're in Oled territory lol.

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