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Is there a cpu better value that Intel Pentium G3258 at the moment?

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My brother wants me to build him a cheap desktop pc that he can play/edit gopro videos on and play the occasional game. I was just pretty much going to copy my core build (see below) but the mobo a… Read More
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9m, 2w agoPosted 9 months, 2 weeks ago
My brother wants me to build him a cheap desktop pc that he can play/edit gopro videos on and play the occasional game.

I was just pretty much going to copy my core build (see below) but the mobo and gpu are now more expensive than I paid almost almost a year ago, so wondering if were newer and better alternatives.

PC Mate z97 Mobo

Pentium G3258 CPU

16gb ram

R9 270x GPU

So my question is are there now better alternatives to the pcmate z97+g3258? If so could someone point me in the right direction?

Thanks!
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9m, 2w agoPosted 9 months, 2 weeks ago
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#1
might be better to get a cheaper H81 motherboard and a higher powered locked cpu, not sure what the prices are but that would be my theory
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adamspencer95
might be better to get a cheaper H81 motherboard and a higher powered locked cpu, not sure what the prices are but that would be my theory

Thanks, any specific cpu's or mobos that come to mind?
#3
jambone
adamspencer95
might be better to get a cheaper H81 motherboard and a higher powered locked cpu, not sure what the prices are but that would be my theory

Thanks, any specific cpu's or mobos that come to mind?


if its a budget build it might be best going AMD to be honest.

i'd probably go with (amazon prices):

AMD X4 860K - ~£65
GA-F2A88XM-DS2 A88X mobo - ~£40
decent air cooler ~£20

which with a bit of overclocking should easily outperform any intel combination at that price.

cheapest i3 is ~£92 for an i3 6100 which when you factor in ~£40 for a halfway decent motherboard surpasses the cost of the AMD build. would beat the AMD at stock speeds but probably match each other if you overclock the 860K.
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adamspencer95
which with a bit of overclocking should easily outperform any intel combination at that price.

That's nonsense. Techspot did a comparison of the 860k and G3258 at stock and overclocked speeds for gaming. There are a fair number of games where an overclocked 860k is behind a stock G3258.
http://www.techspot.com/review/1017-best-budget-gaming-cpu/

You'd go for a Pentium G4400 right now which is a similar and faster than a stock G3258.

The 860k would be better in many video editing tasks, but it lacks the G4400's HEVC encoding and decoding hardware so it'll be a lot slower for that. Even on the video side it's not a simple story.

The G4400 also supports DDR4 memory, so it's likely to be cheaper to add additional memory a few years down the line.

The X4 860k is a perfectly good choice of CPU for what you want but the G4400 does put up a strong case against it.


As for the graphics card, the £150 market right now is somewhat bare of appealing options. You've got the 460 at £100-120, the 470/480 sitting at around £180-200 and very little in between. There's the slightly older 380X 4GB which would be a decent half way house, but they're often just £10-15 off the price of a 470/480 4GB which is just too close.
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EndlessWaves
adamspencer95
which with a bit of overclocking should easily outperform any intel combination at that price.

That's nonsense. Techspot did a comparison of the 860k and G3258 at stock and overclocked speeds for gaming. There are a fair number of games where an overclocked 860k is behind a stock G3258.
http://www.techspot.com/review/1017-best-budget-gaming-cpu/

You'd go for a Pentium G4400 right now which is a similar and faster than a stock G3258.

The 860k would be better in many video editing tasks, but it lacks the G4400's HEVC encoding and decoding hardware so it'll be a lot slower for that. Even on the video side it's not a simple story.

The G4400 also supports DDR4 memory, so it's likely to be cheaper to add additional memory a few years down the line.

The X4 860k is a perfectly good choice of CPU for what you want but the G4400 does put up a strong case against it.


As for the graphics card, the £150 market right now is somewhat bare of appealing options. You've got the 460 at £100-120, the 470/480 sitting at around £180-200 and very little in between. There's the slightly older 380X 4GB which would be a decent half way house, but they're often just £10-15 off the price of a 470/480 4GB which is just too close.


for pure gaming, you might be correct, but your own article shows that the difference between them is minimal (less than 10%)

the OP also wants to be able to do video editing which is where the much higher multicore performance of the 860K will mean it is the more sensible option.

Edited By: adamspencer95 on Sep 06, 2016 08:46: add
#6
adamspencer95
for pure gaming, you might be correct, but your own article shows that the difference between them is minimal (less than 10%)
the OP also wants to be able to do video editing which is where the much higher multicore performance of the 860K will mean it is the more sensible option.

The 860k is the A10-7850k with the integrated graphics disabled. There are some tests here of the slightly higher clocked A10-7870k against the G4400:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/a6-7400b-vs-pentium-g4400-cpu-review/6/

The 860k overclocks on average to 4.4Ghz according to HWBot so it would be around 10% better than the 7870k results (3.9Ghz base, 4.1Ghz turbo).

I'll leave you to count on how many of the video-related tests the 7870k has a huge lead.
#7
Hi guys, thanks for all your responses so far.

To clarify, I won't be overclocking at all and the video editing that he'll be doing will be quite minimal with clips shorter than 10-15mins I'm guessing.

The main purpose for this build is simply the ability to play and edit GoPro videos in 1080p - both things his laptop currently cannot do! They'll be a very minimal number of games (due to owning a PS4 and working all the time) and then the usual desktop stuff; web browsing, word processing, storing files/videos.

EndlessWaves
@EndlessWaves - Thanks for the G4400 suggestion, I will take a look at that as I have been more than happy with my stock speed G3258. I think a £150 GPU would probably be over the top for what he needs so was looking at a second hand R9 270X or GTX 950 for around £70.

adamspencer95
@adamspencer95 - Thanks for your responses. I'm probably going to stick with an Intel build as I've been very happy with my current Intel build but wasn't so happy with my previous AMD build. I'm interested in the i3 6100 that you mentioned.

@Everyone - Do you think the extra £40 for the Intel i3 6100 is 'worth it' over the G4400? And considering my brothers minimal use, could he even get away with using the G4400/i3 6100 onboard graphics to save money by not purchasing a dedicated GPU?

Also what semi budget MoBo (£40-£70) would you pair with the G4400 or 6100?

Thanks again to you both - I didn't mean to start a AMD vs Intel debate!

Edited By: jambone on Sep 06, 2016 16:40
#8
jambone
Hi guys, thanks for all your responses so far.

To clarify, I won't be overclocking at all and the video editing that he'll be doing will be quite minimal with clips shorter than 10-15mins I'm guessing.

The main purpose for this build is simply the ability to play and edit GoPro videos in 1080p - both things his laptop currently cannot do! They'll be a very minimal number of games (due to owning a PS4 and working all the time) and then the usual desktop stuff; web browsing, word processing, storing files/videos.

EndlessWaves
@EndlessWaves - Thanks for the G4400 suggestion, I will take a look at that as I have been more than happy with my stock speed G3258. I think a £150 GPU would probably be over the top for what he needs so was looking at a second hand R9 270X or GTX 950 for around £70.

adamspencer95
@adamspencer95 - Thanks for your responses. I'm probably going to stick with an Intel build as I've been very happy with my current Intel build but wasn't so happy with my previous AMD build. I'm interested in the i3 6100 that you mentioned.

@Everyone - Do you think the extra £40 for the Intel i3 6100 is 'worth it' over the G4400? And considering my brothers minimal use, could he even get away with using the G4400/i3 6100 onboard graphics to save money by not purchasing a dedicated GPU?

Also what semi budget MoBo (£40-£70) would you pair with the G4400 or 6100?

Thanks again to you both - I didn't mean to start a AMD vs Intel debate!


haha dont worry, i'm happy to admit when i'm wrong and in this instance, i am, especially if you are not overclocking. i'd definately go intel with stock speeds.

an i3 6100 would be a good CPU upgrade but the iGPU probably wouldnt be much better for gaming. whether it's 'worth it' is up to you, would the £40 be better spent on a dedicated GPU?

any motherboard from a reputable company, asus, msi, gigabyte etc should be okay.

Gigabyte H110M-DS2 (DDR3) seems ok for ~£40 on amazon, USB 3.0, sata 3 and a pci express slot to home your GPU. you could use the £30 to upgrade elsewhere.
#9
jambone
Hi guys, thanks for all your responses so far.
To clarify, I won't be overclocking at all and the video editing that he'll be doing will be quite minimal with clips shorter than 10-15mins I'm guessing.
The main purpose for this build is simply the ability to play and edit GoPro videos in 1080p - both things his laptop currently cannot do!

What sort of age/power is his laptop. That'll give us some idea of what he considers too slow.

jambone
I'm probably going to stick with an Intel build as I've been very happy with my current Intel build but wasn't so happy with my previous AMD build.

I don't know what problems you were having but most issues these days are individual hardware faults rather than faulty design and they affect every manufacturer.

jambone
@Everyone - Do you think the extra £40 for the Intel i3 6100 is 'worth it' over the G4400? And considering my brothers minimal use, could he even get away with using the G4400/i3 6100 onboard graphics to save money by not purchasing a dedicated GPU?

It's which games he wants to run, not how much gaming he does.

If he spends fives hours a week on The Witcher 3 then you will need something more than integrated graphics, if he's more of a minecraft player than integrated graphics would be fine.

There's also a middle option, the Pentium G4500 which is the G4400 with the i3's integrated graphics.

EDIT: The HD 530 is twice the size of the HD 510, so I would expect it to be 50%+ faster although I haven't seen any tests.

jambone
Also what semi budget MoBo (£40-£70) would you pair with the G4400 or 6100?
Thanks again to you both - I didn't mean to start a AMD vs Intel debate!

That depends on whether you end up with integrated graphics or not. If you do then I'd definitely want one with a DisplayPort output so you can connect future monitors. Four memory slots for cheaper upgrades if he's doing memory-intensive stuff might be worthwhile if they're cheap enough.

Last time I looked Asus B150M-C was interesting, but that was quite a while ago and I don't know if it's come down in price or if better options have been released.

Edited By: EndlessWaves on Sep 06, 2016 17:24

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