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Hi, Myself and a friend are thinking of setting up a small business making beard oils and selling online through social media and local businesses. We want to start with two different fragrance… Read More
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1m, 1w agoPosted 1 month, 1 week ago
Hi,

Myself and a friend are thinking of setting up a small business making beard oils and selling online through social media and local businesses.

We want to start with two different fragrance into 30ml bottles with droppers.

The only problem is I am not sure the best place to go to, to the produce the labels that will go on the bottles.

Does anyone have any recommendations on where the best place would be to go to or use for the labels I need.

Many thanks in advance for any help and advice.
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1m, 1w agoPosted 1 month, 1 week ago
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I own a cosmetics company, and have done for several years. You are years too late for this to be honest. Insurance is a must - if someone takes legal action that your beard oil damaged their skin, clothes, furniture, you are screwed. I looked at beard oil about 5 years ago, my insurers offered to add it to my policy for approximately 400% increase in policy.

Your oil may also be considered flammable, making it a no from Royal Mail. It'll also be over 25mm thick, meaning you'll have to ship it as a parcel, meaning it'll cost £2.70 minimum per order.

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#1
I have used this company a couple of times https://www.mercianlabels.com/products/custom-printed-labels/, for clients always been happy with the service and price. I found some firms wanted you to place huge orders, fantastic prices if you order 5 million!!! isn't much use when you want less than 10,000, Mercian minimum purchase is £150 worth, so the entry point isn't too bad. Don't print at home, it won't look professional.
#2
I did a few costings into beard oils and felt there wasnt enough margin there to be competitive with the established brands.

Factor in what your oil costs are. The bottle. The packaging. Branding and advertising. The postage was a margin killer.

Edited By: mayzi on May 19, 2017 14:04: Auto cowrexkt
#3
DKLS
I have used this company a couple of times https://www.mercianlabels.com/products/custom-printed-labels/, for clients always been happy with the service and price. I found some firms wanted you to place huge orders, fantastic prices if you order 5 million!!! isn't much use when you want less than 10,000, Mercian minimum purchase is £150 worth, so the entry point isn't too bad. Don't print at home, it won't look professional.

Thank you, i will take a look.
#4
mayzi
I did a few costings into beard oils and felt there want enough margin there to be competitive with the established brands.

Factor in what your oil costs are. The bottle. The packaging. Branding and advertising. The postage was a margin killer.

I was initially going the buy the oils I need from Amazon to make a batch of 1Litre and aliquot into 30mL bottles. I understand this wont make much profit. To start with I would be giving away most of this as testers and to colleagues and local businesses to gain interest.

Are there any wholesalers I can use to source the oils from directly cheaper than the main online suppliers?
#5
chiller
[quote=mayzi]
Are there any wholesalers I can use to source the oils from directly cheaper than the main online suppliers?

That sort of information is really difficult to find. I was sick of paying £7 per 100ml for my favourite fragrance essence that I use in my water air freshener. I thought surely it must be easy to get it myself from the same place my supplier gets it from?

I'm still paying £7 per 100ml :|
#6
Any graphic designer should be able to knock the labels up for you and then any printer should be able to print on self adhesive paper.
#7
deeky
chiller
[quote=mayzi]
Are there any wholesalers I can use to source the oils from directly cheaper than the main online suppliers?
That sort of information is really difficult to find. I was sick of paying £7 per 100ml for my favourite fragrance essence that I use in my water air freshener. I thought surely it must be easy to get it myself from the same place my supplier gets it from?
I'm still paying £7 per 100ml :|

I dont mind buying the essential oils from the main suppliers, however I would like to buy pure Jojoba oil as cheaply as possible as that will be the main ingredient in the beard oil.
#8
Towelie
Any graphic designer should be able to knock the labels up for you and then any printer should be able to print on self adhesive paper.

I have no idea where to start so it is alittle overwhelming. I would prefer one company to do everything.
#9
mayzi
I did a few costings into beard oils and felt there want enough margin there to be competitive with the established brands.
Factor in what your oil costs are. The bottle. The packaging. Branding and advertising. The postage was a margin killer.

As you have tried this business model, I really would appreciate any help and advice you can offer.
#10
deeky
chiller
[quote=mayzi]
Are there any wholesalers I can use to source the oils from directly cheaper than the main online suppliers?
That sort of information is really difficult to find. I was sick of paying £7 per 100ml for my favourite fragrance essence that I use in my water air freshener. I thought surely it must be easy to get it myself from the same place my supplier gets it from?
I'm still paying £7 per 100ml :|
I never knew you had a beard :|
#11
Also watch Breaking Bad lots of tips running a business and will help you see the funny side of life too. Good Luck :) also don't forget will need a good accountant or use QuickBooks tax pc program.
#12
sjr1974uk
Also watch Breaking Bad lots of tips running a business and will help you see the funny side of life too. Good Luck :) also don't forget will need a good accountant or use QuickBooks tax pc program.

Thank you for the advice, already watched all of breaking although it was a few years ago. We are starting small so I really am not thinking about accountants at this time, hopefully if the business grows then definitely will use one for the books. Its really more of a hobby to begin with but you never know how things will work out. :)
#13
airfix
deeky
chiller
[quote=mayzi]
Are there any wholesalers I can use to source the oils from directly cheaper than the main online suppliers?
That sort of information is really difficult to find. I was sick of paying £7 per 100ml for my favourite fragrance essence that I use in my water air freshener. I thought surely it must be easy to get it myself from the same place my supplier gets it from?
I'm still paying £7 per 100ml :|
I never knew you had a beard :|

How would you know? You've never seen me :|
#14
deeky
airfix
deeky
chiller
[quote=mayzi]
Are there any wholesalers I can use to source the oils from directly cheaper than the main online suppliers?
That sort of information is really difficult to find. I was sick of paying £7 per 100ml for my favourite fragrance essence that I use in my water air freshener. I thought surely it must be easy to get it myself from the same place my supplier gets it from?
I'm still paying £7 per 100ml :|
I never knew you had a beard :|
How would you know? You've never seen me :|
Actually, He watches you sleep ;).
#15
shauneco
deeky
airfix
deeky
chiller
[quote=mayzi]
Are there any wholesalers I can use to source the oils from directly cheaper than the main online suppliers?
That sort of information is really difficult to find. I was sick of paying £7 per 100ml for my favourite fragrance essence that I use in my water air freshener. I thought surely it must be easy to get it myself from the same place my supplier gets it from?
I'm still paying £7 per 100ml :|
I never knew you had a beard :|
How would you know? You've never seen me :|
Actually, He watches you sleep ;).

Wouldn't surprise me. Sicko. :p
#16
I have managed to find 5 Litres of golden Jojoba oil for £110 on ebay which seems quite reasonable considering its around the £5 marks for 100mL. However I will start off by buying 1 Litre for £28 so i can make a small batch to give away and drum up abit of interest. How does that sound?
#17
chiller
I have managed to find 5 Litres of golden Jojoba oil for £110 on ebay which seems quite reasonable considering its around the £5 marks for 100mL. However I will start off by buying 1 Litre for £28 so i can make a small batch to give away and drum up abit of interest. How does that sound?

Sounds fine, I will PM my address.
#18
This company does serious quantities: http://www.israoils.com/Colorless%2DJojoba%2DOil%2Dmanufacturer%2DIsrael.html

More suited to when your the brand leading oil on the market!, but might be worth dropping them an email to see if there are any UK distributors that you can buy in smaller quantities.
#19
i am starting with making a peppermint oil with Vitamin e and castor oil. I was thinking more like a 3% mix of peppermint oil. Does anyone have any suggestions on the % of Vitamin e and castor oil that would work best?


Edited By: chiller on May 19, 2017 11:05: spelling error
#20
Has anyone here tried a combination of Cedarwood and Bergamot essential oils? Im thinking this will be a nice combination for the second batch.
#21
Surely there is too much supply/not enough demand and/or profit in this? I get sent about ten bottles of beard oils a month from Amazon sellers for free. Failing that B&M sell it at £1 per bottle.
#22
Just a thought but would you not have to have certificates or anything to prove that it is safe to use? Possibly another cost you need to factor in. And also some sort of insurance I would imagine in case somebody does have an allergic reaction to any ingredients.
#23
deeky
airfix
deeky
chiller
[quote=mayzi]
Are there any wholesalers I can use to source the oils from directly cheaper than the main online suppliers?
That sort of information is really difficult to find. I was sick of paying £7 per 100ml for my favourite fragrance essence that I use in my water air freshener. I thought surely it must be easy to get it myself from the same place my supplier gets it from?
I'm still paying £7 per 100ml :|
I never knew you had a beard :|
How would you know? You've never seen me :|
Yeah, that pic you sent was just your lower half oO
#24
fivegoldstars
Surely there is too much supply/not enough demand and/or profit in this? I get sent about ten bottles of beard oils a month from Amazon sellers for free. Failing that B&M sell it at £1 per bottle.

How do you get free stuff sent to you?
#25
fivegoldstars
Surely there is too much supply/not enough demand and/or profit in this? I get sent about ten bottles of beard oils a month from Amazon sellers for free. Failing that B&M sell it at £1 per bottle.

I am only planning on selling locally after speaking to a few shops who were willing to stock such products.
I guess it depends of the ingredients being used. I am using only 4 or 5 natural ingredients which are very popular with beard oils so I am thinking it should be ok. I have also researched what is known as DHT blockers and have used oils that containe little or
no DHT blockers which makes them especially good for guys who want to grow their beards and not cause any hindrance from DHT blockers found in many other beard oils


Edited By: chiller on May 19, 2017 12:15: added sentence
#26
Sebas111
Just a thought but would you not have to have certificates or anything to prove that it is safe to use? Possibly another cost you need to factor in. And also some sort of insurance I would imagine in case somebody does have an allergic reaction to any ingredients.

well as i am using all natural ingredients i should think it would be ok as long as its states to test on a small area first to make sure it does not cause any adverse reactions.


Edited By: chiller on May 19, 2017 12:11
#27
chiller
fivegoldstars
Surely there is too much supply/not enough demand and/or profit in this? I get sent about ten bottles of beard oils a month from Amazon sellers for free. Failing that B&M sell it at £1 per bottle.
I am only planning on selling locally after speaking to a few shops who were willing to stock such products.
I guess it depends of the ingredients being used. I am using only 4 or 5 natural ingredients which are very popular with beard oils so I am thinking it should be ok. I have also researched what is known as DHT blockers and have used oils that containe little or
no DHT blockers which makes them especially good for guys who want to grow their beards and not cause any hindrance from DHT blockers found in many other beard oils

I guess that will my USP :)

Edited By: chiller on May 19, 2017 12:18
#28
Flodd
fivegoldstars
Surely there is too much supply/not enough demand and/or profit in this? I get sent about ten bottles of beard oils a month from Amazon sellers for free. Failing that B&M sell it at £1 per bottle.
How do you get free stuff sent to you?
Top 500 reviewer. Pop your email in your profile and soon enough half of China wants to send you stuff.
#29
fivegoldstars
Flodd
fivegoldstars
Surely there is too much supply/not enough demand and/or profit in this? I get sent about ten bottles of beard oils a month from Amazon sellers for free. Failing that B&M sell it at £1 per bottle.
How do you get free stuff sent to you?
Top 500 reviewer. Pop your email in your profile and soon enough half of China wants to send you stuff.

well mine will be 100% made in england :)
#30
chiller
fivegoldstars
Flodd
fivegoldstars
Surely there is too much supply/not enough demand and/or profit in this? I get sent about ten bottles of beard oils a month from Amazon sellers for free. Failing that B&M sell it at £1 per bottle.
How do you get free stuff sent to you?
Top 500 reviewer. Pop your email in your profile and soon enough half of China wants to send you stuff.
well mine will be 100% made in england :)
Call it Brexit Balm. You've got 52% of the population interested already...
#31
Thanks everyone, I will making my first batch in the coming weeks. If you would like a free sample of either the peppermint oil / Cedarwood, I would be happy to post one out to you for the cost of the postage.
These beard oils will contain no DHT inhibitors so will be great for those of you wanting to grow out your beard to its full potential.

PM me if interested
suspended#32
Who wants to make their beard more oilier? Serious question?

Got given some Wahl beard oil for a present - was like, WTF!!!!

Was gifted some moisturiser 10 years ago. Never used it. Your whole business model is based on vain blokes with beards.

Good luck........
#33
I own a cosmetics company, and have done for several years. You are years too late for this to be honest. Insurance is a must - if someone takes legal action that your beard oil damaged their skin, clothes, furniture, you are screwed. I looked at beard oil about 5 years ago, my insurers offered to add it to my policy for approximately 400% increase in policy.

Your oil may also be considered flammable, making it a no from Royal Mail. It'll also be over 25mm thick, meaning you'll have to ship it as a parcel, meaning it'll cost £2.70 minimum per order.
#34
devices
I own a cosmetics company, and have done for several years. You are years too late for this to be honest. Insurance is a must - if someone takes legal action that your beard oil damaged their skin, clothes, furniture, you are screwed. I looked at beard oil about 5 years ago, my insurers offered to add it to my policy for approximately 400% increase in policy.
Your oil may also be considered flammable, making it a no from Royal Mail. It'll also be over 25mm thick, meaning you'll have to ship it as a parcel, meaning it'll cost £2.70 minimum per order.
im not planning on going mainstream, just local suppliers and as it has only natural ingredients mainly comprising jojoba oil and no chemicals whatsoever. These products always state to test on a small area first to avoid any adverse reactions so how it can possibly do any harm? I think there is still demand for it from the feedback I have had so I will go ahead and see how it turns out.
#35
KareemSaid
Who wants to make their beard more oilier? Serious question?

Got given some Wahl beard oil for a present - was like, WTF!!!!

Was gifted some moisturiser 10 years ago. Never used it. Your whole business model is based on vain blokes with beards.

Good luck........
The main ingredient is Jojoba oil which closely resembles the natural oils in the skin so it's not greasy at all. If vain blokes with beards is going to be my target market then I am all for it :)
#36
devices
I own a cosmetics company, and have done for several years. You are years too late for this to be honest. Insurance is a must - if someone takes legal action that your beard oil damaged their skin, clothes, furniture, you are screwed. I looked at beard oil about 5 years ago, my insurers offered to add it to my policy for approximately 400% increase in policy.
Your oil may also be considered flammable, making it a no from Royal Mail. It'll also be over 25mm thick, meaning you'll have to ship it as a parcel, meaning it'll cost £2.70 minimum per order.

I have looked into getting a safety assessment report and product information report which will provide me with a certificate ensuring that the product is safe to use
#37
Seriously, insurance insurance insurance.

Scenario - someone opens a bottle that is faulty and sprays oil in their eyes. They are required to take X days off work, pay for taxis to transport them around, loss of earnings, etc. Someone suffers an allergic reaction to your product - if your labeling and packaging don't meet current regulations they could end up absolutely nailing you for £, if you don't have an insurance company to back you up.

It does happen, and it happens regularly. You NEED insurance.

I'm trying to be helpful, and realistic. I've had at least a dozen attempts at insurance claims in the last few years, all of which my insurance company have dealt with, taking the pressure off me. If someone takes you to the small claims court (or whatever it's now called!) and you present that your product is perfectly safe, but you don't have any kind of liability insurance, it's not going to help your case.

It doesn't matter if you have a CPSR for your product, people will still try and sue you. Modern culture sadly.
#38
devices
Seriously, insurance insurance insurance.
Scenario - someone opens a bottle that is faulty and sprays oil in their eyes. They are required to take X days off work, pay for taxis to transport them around, loss of earnings, etc. Someone suffers an allergic reaction to your product - if your labeling and packaging don't meet current regulations they could end up absolutely nailing you for £, if you don't have an insurance company to back you up.
It does happen, and it happens regularly. You NEED insurance.
I'm trying to be helpful, and realistic. I've had at least a dozen attempts at insurance claims in the last few years, all of which my insurance company have dealt with, taking the pressure off me. If someone takes you to the small claims court (or whatever it's now called!) and you present that your product is perfectly safe, but you don't have any kind of liability insurance, it's not going to help your case.
It doesn't matter if you have a CPSR for your product, people will still try and sue you. Modern culture sadly.

this. liability insurance. i am surprised you could even market these sort of things without getting some sort of public licence in case they are health hazards?
#39
devices
Seriously, insurance insurance insurance.
Scenario - someone opens a bottle that is faulty and sprays oil in their eyes. They are required to take X days off work, pay for taxis to transport them around, loss of earnings, etc. Someone suffers an allergic reaction to your product - if your labeling and packaging don't meet current regulations they could end up absolutely nailing you for £, if you don't have an insurance company to back you up.
It does happen, and it happens regularly. You NEED insurance.
I'm trying to be helpful, and realistic. I've had at least a dozen attempts at insurance claims in the last few years, all of which my insurance company have dealt with, taking the pressure off me. If someone takes you to the small claims court (or whatever it's now called!) and you present that your product is perfectly safe, but you don't have any kind of liability insurance, it's not going to help your case.
It doesn't matter if you have a CPSR for your product, people will still try and sue you. Modern culture sadly.

Thanks for your helpful advice. I will definitely look into it if the product receives good feedback from initial testing.
#40
chiller
devices
Seriously, insurance insurance insurance.
Scenario - someone opens a bottle that is faulty and sprays oil in their eyes. They are required to take X days off work, pay for taxis to transport them around, loss of earnings, etc. Someone suffers an allergic reaction to your product - if your labeling and packaging don't meet current regulations they could end up absolutely nailing you for £, if you don't have an insurance company to back you up.
It does happen, and it happens regularly. You NEED insurance.
I'm trying to be helpful, and realistic. I've had at least a dozen attempts at insurance claims in the last few years, all of which my insurance company have dealt with, taking the pressure off me. If someone takes you to the small claims court (or whatever it's now called!) and you present that your product is perfectly safe, but you don't have any kind of liability insurance, it's not going to help your case.
It doesn't matter if you have a CPSR for your product, people will still try and sue you. Modern culture sadly.
Thanks for your helpful advice. I will definitely look into it if the product receives good feedback from initial testing.

you could consider running the business through a limited company so your personal assets are protected from any litigation, unless you don't have any personal assets to worry about of course.

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