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Apple going undercover in factories why

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2y, 1m agoPosted 2 years, 1 month ago
Going undercover in Apple and its factories and the bad workplaces
What did you think of it ?
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#1
What do people expect when all your manufacturing is outsourced to China?
#2
Why were they going undercover? I never heard about this
#3
I think every major company in the world does it...and as long as people keep buying fancy overpriced brands just for the 'name , then they will keep doing it...
#5
It was Panorama going undercover BBC 1 to find out how the workforce was getting treated
#6
I watched it but wasn't surprised, most companies turn to east Asia if they want to maximise their profits with the cheap labour, interesting stuff though on dredging and illegal open cast mining!
#7
Yea the cast mining was a surprise and Apple says all legal
#8
It's not just overpriced items - it's Asia and the reason why most of Asia provides cheap manufacturing is because the rest of the world want to make more profit and/or buy cheaper priced items and Asia do not have the same protection for it's workforce as they do in the western world.

Whether it's India/Pakistan sweat shops or China, Malaysia. Thailand for electronics and other goods it's theoretically down to the end user/buyer if they want to buy cheap or pay a higher price for locally manufactured goods - but I have issues with this because some manufacturing in the UK is made from components made overseas.

Again the UK is now getting on the same "philosophy" by getting cheap EU workers to come across and work for less than the minimum wage.
#9
Its hard to imagine paying MORE for an Apple product though, they're not exactly the Primark of the techno world are they..... Make them cheap, sell them cheap doesn't ring true.

Sadly, making money is always going to be more important than people and while people pay top dollar for their products, bad PR or not, it'll continue.

No one will not buy an Apple product today BECAUSE they watched the show...... Sadly
#10
I thought it was unfair to focus on Apple, I am sure the same tin supplies Samsung and other technology suppliers - ultimately the manufacturers are that far away from the source of the raw materials it'll happen, as it appears to in most goods with far east connections, whether its mining or sweat shops etc. where poverty and corruption is rife. Not good to see, but would it be worse if all the technology companies no longer sourced any materials from places like Indonesia... maybe!!

I'm neither an Apple lover or hater, but thought the Panorama focus was a little blinkered.
#11
Tbh other than the forced sleeping dorms it didn't sound too different to the supermarket I work ..bullying by management , humiliation,forced overtime (if you don't your overtime gets cut completely), being told to sign training sheets when training is inadequate or non existent and having no or crap tools for the job and all for a wage that (in Bristol anyway) isn't enough to cover a family homes rent
I think that as apple charge such a premium for the products they sell it wouldn't hurt to put a bit back to manufacturing but also agree that its unfair they focused on apple as most companies aren't any better
#12
Manufacturered by Foxconn, who make a bulkload of PC components too.

Society is great isnt it? I mean, co-op (as an example) love to brag about their "fairtrade bananas and chocolate" - i dont see any fairtrade advertising on their electronics goods (which the workers are probably working in just as bad conditions as the banana pickers.)

Its unfortunate that theres no such thing as "fairtrade" in electronics manufacture.
#13
It's sad to say but life is very cheap. We just have a distorted view in this country due to our high health and safety regs and assume that the rest of the world follows our example. India is terrible for health and safety, a cnc maintenance guy told me how they stripped a power press and was marking up the safety panels just to be told by their boss they weren't wanted. These are pretty dangerous machines where you could easily lose a limb or eye. Also heard about a factory manager been sent to a hospital to fire an employee who lost an arm in a factory accident.
#14
think we all knew this went on, but business will always go for the cheapest work set, if things like H&S and salaries improve companies will just look to the next cheapest source, this is not new unfortunately and can be seen through out manufacturing history.
#15
Foxconn and Pegatron make stuff for all sorts of companies, not just Apple.

Apple made changes in 2010 (I think) and had Foxconn implement changes and added Pegatron as a supplier to ease the workload on Foxconn, Pegatron are cutting corners and falsifying audit trails by using the methods shown on Panorama.

To be honest, the program felt pretty biased against Apple from the outset, why no mention of the other companies (by name) that Foxconn/Pegatron supply too??

Edited By: andymagic on Dec 19, 2014 09:51
#16
johnct
Yea the cast mining was a surprise and Apple says all legal

The question is not whether it is legal or not, but whether it is right (ethically) or not.
#17
I think the focus was on Apple because they make such a big deal out of being an ethical company, both environmentally aware and a charter for workers rights. The panorama program showed what a lie that is.

Yes I think that all electronic companies get their raw materials from the same sources and probably utilise the very same manufacturing plants, but I cannot think of any that make such a big thing as apple does about its ethics.
#18
118luke
Manufacturered by Foxconn, who make a bulkload of PC components too.

Society is great isnt it? I mean, co-op (as an example) love to brag about their "fairtrade bananas and chocolate" - i dont see any fairtrade advertising on their electronics goods (which the workers are probably working in just as bad conditions as the banana pickers.)

Its unfortunate that theres no such thing as "fairtrade" in electronics manufacture.

Someone is trying in the phone market: http://www.fairphone.com good luck to them, not convinced it'll take off though.
#19
Apple want to show they care, not that it will put people off buying their products anyway...
#20
hermano2
johnct
Yea the cast mining was a surprise and Apple says all legal

The question is not whether it is legal or not, but whether it is right (ethically) or not.
They were just making the point that it is legal because the person above said it was illegal.
#21
MIDURIX
hermano2
johnct
Yea the cast mining was a surprise and Apple says all legal

The question is not whether it is legal or not, but whether it is right (ethically) or not.
They were just making the point that it is legal because the person above said it was illegal.

thanks MIDURIX

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