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Now my daughter has reached the grand old age of 12, and is going up to 'big' school in September, we have promised her an Macbook...for homework and the such, you understand! But....there seems to be… Read More
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Now my daughter has reached the grand old age of 12, and is going up to 'big' school in September, we have promised her an Macbook...for homework and the such, you understand! But....there seems to be so many different models, deals, etc that i just don't know where to start. Money is quite tight, so maybe something where i can get credit and pay so much a month. any advice on the right one to buy, would be brill. Thanks in advance x
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Everyone says macs are for video editing and photos..... - I am currently typing this on my 5 year old MacBook Pro, it has an SSD in it and is the fastest machine I have ever used, everything loads instantly. I have never had a virus, never had to restore it back to factory settings, never had it repaired. The screen is brilliant, the sound is fantastic, the touchpad is really user friendly and makes using it so good, surfing, emails, pictures, music... It's all good on a Mac, if that's what she wants, go get it! - It will last years and years.

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#1
MacBook Pro around £900 good all rounder
#2
If money is quite tight then don't buy her a Macbook, you can buy her a half decent windows laptop for less than £200 for her school work.


Edited By: RiverDragon8 on Aug 04, 2016 13:54
#3
this is going to be one costly mistake. No 12yr old would ever need a laptop with such high specs. it would be cheaper to buy them the highest spec iphone currently available.
#4
RiverDragon8
If money is quite tight then don't buy her a Macbook, you can buy her a half decent windows laptop for less than £200 for her school work.



Or could buy a macbook with student discount, vet 3 years support and sell it for half the price or more even 4 years later....
But yeah I agree that 12 year old doesn't need a posh toy to show off to other kids.
For basic school work a chrome book will be more than enough
#5
RiverDragon8
If money is quite tight then don't buy her a Macbook, you can buy her a half decent windows laptop for less than £200 for her school work.



Or could buy a macbook with student discount, vet 3 years support and sell it for half the price or more even 4 years later....
But yeah I agree that 12 year old doesn't need a posh toy to show off to other kids.
For basic school work a chrome book will be more than enough
#6
We bought our son a MacbookPro for secondary school and he's just finished his A levels. It still works as good as new. There are Apple haters on here, but if you want to buy Apple, you will get something that lasts.

If you know someone who qualifies for the education pricing it would be advantageous. http://www.apple.com/uk/shop/browse/campaigns/education_pricing

John Lewis do sometimes have some deals on their models http://www.johnlewis.com/browse/electricals/laptops-netbooks/laptops/apple/_/N-a8fZ1z13zz4?Ns=p_price.extravaganzaPriceListId%7C0

In simple terms you are looking at the MacBookPro or the MacAir. The Air is thin and very light. Each come in two screen sizes. There are differences in model spec but if you can narrow it down to either Air or Pro and then size, it will be easier to work out which you want.

Edit - just to add, Curry's have a 10% cashback with any Apple Notebook at the moment. http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/apple-macbook-pro-13-13730045-pdt.html?gclid=CjwKEAjwz4u9BRCbioK3stnBznESJADA75xbrHfNI9GHHSGcweu1vRx1q3cobDHzaJwp_YhMK0FKchoCW1vw_wcB&srcid=198&cmpid=ppc~gg~~~Exact&mctag=gg_goog_7904&s_kwcid=AL!3391!3!75234082579!!!g!95760746964!&device=c&istCompanyId=bec25c7e-cbcd-460d-81d5-

http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/get-started-terms-768-commercial.html

a25372d2e3d7&istItemId=mlwximrq&istBid=tztx&PLA=1&ef_id=V6MkkQAAAFfNl4Vd:20160804130544:s and you can see their payment options http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/payment-options-1026-theme.html





Edited By: windym on Aug 04, 2016 14:09
#7
hotstuff1970
Money is quite tight

A macbook is a luxury product. Would you buy her a designer £300 schoolbag or a fancy £600 bike?

If you want to get something better than average than a £400-500 laptop in entry level spec would be a good choice. I think Asus occasionally has the entry level models in their Zenbook range below £550.

If you do decide to go for a macbook then you'll want one with at least 8GB of memory and an SSD or fusion drive. The 4GB and HDD equipped ones are very poor choices.
#8
windym
We bought our son a MacbookPro for secondary school and he's just finished his A levels. It still works as good as new. There are Apple haters on here, but if you want to buy Apple, you will get something that lasts.
If you know someone who qualifies for the education pricing it would be advantageous. http://www.apple.com/uk/shop/browse/campaigns/education_pricing
John Lewis do sometimes have some deals on their models http://www.johnlewis.com/browse/electricals/laptops-netbooks/laptops/apple/_/N-a8fZ1z13zz4?Ns=p_price.extravaganzaPriceListId%7C0
In simple terms you are looking at the MacBookPro or the MacAir. The Air is thin and very light. Each come in two screen sizes. There are differences in model spec but if you can narrow it down to either Air or Pro and then size, it will be easier to work out which you want.
Edit - just to add, Curry's have a 10% cashback with any Apple Notebook at the moment. http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/apple-macbook-pro-13-13730045-pdt.html?gclid=CjwKEAjwz4u9BRCbioK3stnBznESJADA75xbrHfNI9GHHSGcweu1vRx1q3cobDHzaJwp_YhMK0FKchoCW1vw_wcB&srcid=198&cmpid=ppc~gg~~~Exact&mctag=gg_goog_7904&s_kwcid=AL!3391!3!75234082579!!!g!95760746964!&device=c&istCompanyId=bec25c7e-cbcd-460d-81d5-http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/get-started-terms-768-commercial.html
a25372d2e3d7&istItemId=mlwximrq&istBid=tztx&PLA=1&ef_id=V6MkkQAAAFfNl4Vd:20160804130544:s and you can see their payment options http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/payment-options-1026-theme.html
OP said money is quite tight, does a 12 year old really need an expensive Macbook?
#9
EndlessWaves
hotstuff1970
Money is quite tight
A macbook is a luxury product. Would you buy her a designer £300 schoolbag or a fancy £600 bike?
If you want to get something better than average than a £400-500 laptop in entry level spec would be a good choice. I think Asus occasionally has the entry level models in their Zenbook range below £550.
If you do decide to go for a macbook then you'll want one with at least 8GB of memory and an SSD or fusion drive. The 4GB and HDD equipped ones are very poor choices.

This.

Also, is there really any need for her to have an Apple system? Speak with the school, see what they recommend and use. If they're invested in the Windows ecosystem, her having a Mac isn't going to be ideal.
#10
when reading these comments, bear in mind there's a huge anti-apple bias here

I bought a retina MBP nearly 4 years ago and feel like it's got 3+ years left in it easy. my MBA is nearly 3 years old and it feels almost brand new

For many (but not all), macs are a joy to use and far more intuitive than a clunky windows machine

Don't get fooled by simple specs comparisons. This is done often by Android users (RAM in phone compared to iPhone) but this is like comparing the engine size in a ferrari vs a hovercraft

A few years ago when I was last at uni, it felt like 80% of people had MacBooks. They're exceptionally popular with students.

If money is tight, it perhaps isn't the best option. Especially not at full RRP. But if you're set on it, Apple store have done 0% deals at xmas for the last two years. Check the threads from there for seeing the practicalities of combining education discount with this, qualifying criteria etc

One of my projects at uni required a windows comp and as someone who only had macs, I had to find another computer to run the software. That was about 4 years ago and it's only been this week that I have needed to use a windows only program again (migrating evernote to a microsoft service). check with the school what programs they intend students to run.

One option is to buy a windows computer that meets minimum requirements for now for cheap, and work out a way to get the macbook of choice later on
A very good option would be a 13" retina pro with 8-16gb and 128gb SSD (although different people like different things, this is a good balance between portability, size & weight, power and price. You could probably find something like this for £600 on a trading board or somewhere else similar (i.e. nearly mint condition but used prices). You need to know what you're doing on these boards, but it's a great way to save a chunk. Maybe you could convince the kid to raise half (paper-round, car wash etc) and you'll cover the other half. The price may have even dropped by then and you could part X your windows machine, softening the blow of cost and allowing you to spread the cost
#11
DennisG
when reading these comments, bear in mind there's a huge anti-apple bias here
I bought a retina MBP nearly 4 years ago and feel like it's got 3+ years left in it easy. my MBA is nearly 3 years old and it feels almost brand new
For many (but not all), macs are a joy to use and far more intuitive than a clunky windows machine
Don't get fooled by simple specs comparisons. This is done often by Android users (RAM in phone compared to iPhone) but this is like comparing the engine size in a ferrari vs a hovercraft
A few years ago when I was last at uni, it felt like 80% of people had MacBooks. They're exceptionally popular with students.
If money is tight, it perhaps isn't the best option. Especially not at full RRP. But if you're set on it, Apple store have done 0% deals at xmas for the last two years. Check the threads from there for seeing the practicalities of combining education discount with this, qualifying criteria etc
One of my projects at uni required a windows comp and as someone who only had macs, I had to find another computer to run the software. That was about 4 years ago and it's only been this week that I have needed to use a windows only program again (migrating evernote to a microsoft service). check with the school what programs they intend students to run.
One option is to buy a windows computer that meets minimum requirements for now for cheap, and work out a way to get the macbook of choice later on
A very good option would be a 13" retina pro with 8-16gb and 128gb SSD (although different people like different things, this is a good balance between portability, size & weight, power and price. You could probably find something like this for £600 on a trading board or somewhere else similar (i.e. nearly mint condition but used prices). You need to know what you're doing on these boards, but it's a great way to save a chunk. Maybe you could convince the kid to raise half (paper-round, car wash etc) and you'll cover the other half. The price may have even dropped by then and you could part X your windows machine, softening the blow of cost and allowing you to spread the cost
A very good option would be a 13" retina pro with 8-16gb
OP daughter is a 12 year old oO
#12
I have a Macbook Air and love it. I'm also 36. A 12 year old, particularly one using it for homework, does not need a Macbook. a sub £200 laptop with MS Office is more than enough esp as money is tight.
#13
RiverDragon8
OP daughter is a 12 year old oO
Yes, I did read that. I made that recommendation with that in mind. I don't understand your surprise. They come in 4 sizes and 2 resolution options, what's so outlandish about a 13" rMBP? especially when one can be bought for about 60% of the RRP of a macbook 12" with mediocre innards
#14
DennisG
RiverDragon8
OP daughter is a 12 year old oO
Yes, I did read that. I made that recommendation with that in mind. I don't understand your surprise. They come in 4 sizes and 2 resolution options, what's so outlandish about a 13" rMBP? especially when one can be bought for about 60% of the RRP of a macbook 12" with mediocre innards
Don't make the mistake (like many people do on here) of defending a product just because you own it.
n64play has hit the nail on the head
I have a Macbook Air and love it. I'm also 36. A 12 year old, particularly one using it for homework, does not need a Macbook. a sub £200 laptop with MS Office is more than enough esp as money is tight.

If OP said Now my daughter has reached the grand old age of 12, and is going up to 'big' school in September, we have promised her an Macbook...for homework and the such, you understand! But....there seems to be so many different models, deals, etc that i just don't know where to start, any advice on the right one to buy, would be brill. Thanks in advance x
Then whatever you said would be fine and I wouldn't have even attempted to comment on the thread.



Edited By: RiverDragon8 on Aug 04, 2016 15:40: edit
#15
our local school gives their pupils an ipad, parents pay £80 they keep it for whole time at school, their's to use as they wish. if they are damaged parents pay towards repair costs, it's handed back when child leaves. check your school it might offer this sort of thing. loads do. I agree with others no need to spend huge amount on laptop/computer. for a 12 year old. Pleanty out there for sub £300
#16
I seem to have stirred up a debate! Which was honestly not my intention...also...i know i know that having a 12 year old wanting a macbook might sound brattish and show offy but, apart from homework, shes really really interested in editing and making videos. She does all of these things on her iPhone ( a hand me down before people start!!) but the iphone has had it, and we would all use the Mac. Thanks for all your suggestions, food for thought!!!
#17
mattsokolinski
RiverDragon8
If money is quite tight then don't buy her a Macbook, you can buy her a half decent windows laptop for less than £200 for her school work.


Or could buy a macbook with student discount, vet 3 years support and sell it for half the price or more even 4 years later....
But yeah I agree that 12 year old doesn't need a posh toy to show off to other kids.
For basic school work a chrome book will be more than enough

I know shes my kid...but honestly its not for show off. oO
#18
It's your money and you can do what you want with it, so as long as you're making an informed decision then it's entirely up to you whether you treat your daughter with a mac or windows laptop. Yes, a cheap windows laptop is perfectly sufficient for your daughter's needs but if it's not what she wants and you're happy to buy it for her then that's entirely your prerogative.

I have a mac and think they're fantastic. I wouldn't want to go back to windows now. It just works like a dream.

Your daughter needs to think about whether portability is more important than screen size. If she's wanting to edit videos then a larger screen may be preferable.

She also needs to think about whether she will be more cloud based or need to use a USB stick a lot - the new MacBooks don't have USB slots, but the macbook airs do. However if I remember rightly the macbook airs don't have retina displays as standard and she may want that for the video editing.

The best prices are with a student discount directly with apple. Phone your local store and ask if school children are eligible as I have a feeling that it might just be for 'higher education' i.e. colleges and universities. Apple also have a promotion for free Beats headphones at the moment when purchasing a macbook as a student, as well as around 10% discount. All you need for the higher education discount is an NUS extra card for the student discount, and a free ecareers course makes you eligible for that. It's not fraud, NUS accept them as a valid higher education course provider and Apple happily offer the discount to NUS holders.



Edited By: sickly sweet on Aug 04, 2016 18:56
#19
Note: If you think the macbook air or macbook pro are the preferred choices then very shortly the newer versions of these should be released.

http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#Mac

I would hold off a little while if possible and then get the newest version which I'm sure will have the newer style charger too. If so it'll also make it more valuable later on down the line when you want to sell it and get a new one.

If you're after the macbook, then buy now as that's been updated recently.
#20
hotstuff1970
mattsokolinski
RiverDragon8
If money is quite tight then don't buy her a Macbook, you can buy her a half decent windows laptop for less than £200 for her school work.


Or could buy a macbook with student discount, vet 3 years support and sell it for half the price or more even 4 years later....
But yeah I agree that 12 year old doesn't need a posh toy to show off to other kids.
For basic school work a chrome book will be more than enough

I know shes my kid...but honestly its not for show off. oO


Fair enough. I'd suggest to check when next school season sale is on, use students discount on top and get macbook air or Pro. Avoid all the other ones
#21
hotstuff1970
I seem to have stirred up a debate! Which was honestly not my intention...also...i know i know that having a 12 year old wanting a macbook might sound brattish and show offy but, apart from homework, shes really really interested in editing and making videos. She does all of these things on her iPhone ( a hand me down before people start!!) but the iphone has had it, and we would all use the Mac. Thanks for all your suggestions, food for thought!!!


No show offy at all. If its video editing and photos then mac is by far the best. If you can all use it as a family too then its value

You dont need the top spec model tho go into the store and speak to them they should point you in the right direction. My mac book pro is 3 yr old still fast and works faultlessly
#22
Everyone says macs are for video editing and photos..... - I am currently typing this on my 5 year old MacBook Pro, it has an SSD in it and is the fastest machine I have ever used, everything loads instantly. I have never had a virus, never had to restore it back to factory settings, never had it repaired. The screen is brilliant, the sound is fantastic, the touchpad is really user friendly and makes using it so good, surfing, emails, pictures, music... It's all good on a Mac, if that's what she wants, go get it! - It will last years and years.
#23
aircanman
Everyone says macs are for video editing and photos..... - I am currently typing this on my 5 year old MacBook Pro, it has an SSD in it and is the fastest machine I have ever used, everything loads instantly. I have never had a virus, never had to restore it back to factory settings, never had it repaired. The screen is brilliant, the sound is fantastic, the touchpad is really user friendly and makes using it so good, surfing, emails, pictures, music... It's all good on a Mac, if that's what she wants, go get it! - It will last years and years.


Second this. Most people who slate them simply cant afford them. But if the actally added up the expense of replacing their windows comp 6 times it would be dearer than buying a mac in the first place

Im not biased i dont like computers they dont interest me and i only use the mac for simple stuff it was bought purely for reliability and its been flawless for 3 years

I was sceptical to begin with but it was definitley the right choice despite the initial outlay
#24
My daughter is currently at Uni doing Film and TV Production. She has been editing and making videos since middle school on a desktop PC then on a laptop when at university. She doesn't like Apple Mac.
#25
Sandypie
My daughter is currently at Uni doing Film and TV Production. She has been editing and making videos since middle school on a desktop PC then on a laptop when at university. She doesn't like Apple Mac.
Can i ask what kind of software (if thats the right term!) she uses on her laptop? we have a laptop, but daughter insists that a Mac is the best for this kind of thing.
#26
DennisG
when reading these comments, bear in mind there's a huge anti-apple bias here

Its not anti Apple bias it is just common sense.

If you needed a car to go to the supermarket a Fiesta would do, you do not need to buy a Porche.

Same with a computer. A 12 year old does not need the style or quality of an Apple product.

While Apple are quality machines you pay a huge "extra" for the style, the name, and the quality which a 12 year old does not need.

As has been said, a £250 Windows laptop would be more than good enough for a 12 year old.

And poster says money is tight so buying an expensive Apple product would be stupidity.


Edited By: guilbert53 on Aug 04, 2016 20:35
#27
As has been said, expensive for that age, BUT its your money, for me if a Macbook is within your budget then its a no brainer, the equivalent windows laptop in 5 years time would be worth very little in comparison with initial outlay whereas the Macbook will fetch a decent price if selling on in 5 years or so, certainly more in comparison to a similarly priced laptop.

That aside, as has been said, might be worthwhile chatting to her new school, some use Apple products whereas others use solely Windows, finding out what her new school uses may sway your decision either way..?
#28
guilbert53
DennisG
when reading these comments, bear in mind there's a huge anti-apple bias here

Its not anti Apple bias it is just common sense.

If you needed a car to go to the supermarket a Fiesta would do, you do not need to buy a Porche.

Same with a computer. A 12 year old does not need the style or quality of an Apple product.

While Apple are quality machines you pay a huge "extra" for the style, the name, and the quality which a 12 year old does not need.

As has been said, a £250 Windows laptop would be more than good enough for a 12 year old.

And poster says money is tight so buying an expensive Apple product would be stupidity.



So if i said to you hey i hear your needing a car to get to the supermarket id like to buy you one would you like this fiesta or this porsche which would you choose?
#29
123batman321
guilbert53
DennisG
when reading these comments, bear in mind there's a huge anti-apple bias here

Its not anti Apple bias it is just common sense.

If you needed a car to go to the supermarket a Fiesta would do, you do not need to buy a Porche.

Same with a computer. A 12 year old does not need the style or quality of an Apple product.

While Apple are quality machines you pay a huge "extra" for the style, the name, and the quality which a 12 year old does not need.

As has been said, a £250 Windows laptop would be more than good enough for a 12 year old.

And poster says money is tight so buying an expensive Apple product would be stupidity.



So if i said to you hey i hear your needing a car to get to the supermarket id like to buy you one would you like this fiesta or this porsche which would you choose?


That's not even a comparable argument.

No one's offering to buy a MacBook for the op.

...unless you're offering to pay for the petrol, maintenance, and insurance; that fiesta is still a better option!

Op it's your money so spend it on what you want.

MacBooks are nice but they are luxury items, for a 12 year old a cheap laptop will suffice.
#30
Thanks guys x
#31
a macbook isn't needed, hot!

just procure a cheap computer and your daughter can then type away to her heart's content using :

http://uniqcode.com/typewriter/
#32
Macs are nothing but PC's with OSX, buy based on what the school uses as hardware wise they are all but identical. Macs cost more like for like but they look nice. A Lenovo will generally outperform and outlast an equivalently priced mac but they are utilitarian. Steer clear of cheap AMD APU laptops, they can be so slow as to be unusable.
#33
BTW - apple runs free summer camps for kids (as well as sessions for adults).

although i suspect this year's kids' camps are sold out.

http://www.apple.com/uk/retail/learn/youth/
#34
seb
BTW - apple runs free summer camps for kids (as well as sessions for adults).
although i suspect this year's kids' camps are sold out.http://www.apple.com/uk/retail/learn/youth/

Thanks so much for the info seb :D
#35
hotstuff1970
Sandypie
My daughter is currently at Uni doing Film and TV Production. She has been editing and making videos since middle school on a desktop PC then on a laptop when at university. She doesn't like Apple Mac.
Can i ask what kind of software (if thats the right term!) she uses on her laptop? we have a laptop, but daughter insists that a Mac is the best for this kind of thing.
If you want software to edit films private message me and I will give you 2 software to use.
#36
hotstuff1970
Sandypie
My daughter is currently at Uni doing Film and TV Production. She has been editing and making videos since middle school on a desktop PC then on a laptop when at university. She doesn't like Apple Mac.
Can i ask what kind of software (if thats the right term!) she uses on her laptop? we have a laptop, but daughter insists that a Mac is the best for this kind of thing.
Until Uni she used Premiere Elements and Photoshop Elements
#38
RiverDragon8
hotstuff1970
Sandypie
My daughter is currently at Uni doing Film and TV Production. She has been editing and making videos since middle school on a desktop PC then on a laptop when at university. She doesn't like Apple Mac.
Can i ask what kind of software (if thats the right term!) she uses on her laptop? we have a laptop, but daughter insists that a Mac is the best for this kind of thing.
If you want software to edit films private message me and I will give you 2 software to use.


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