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ATI equivelent of a 6800? :) - must be AGP!

blizeH Avatar
9y, 7m agoPosted 9 years, 7 months ago
My 6800 is being funny so I need a new graphics card, ideally an ATI one because I've not been too impressed by Nvidia.

Ideally I'd like to spend as close to £60-£70 as possible, I'm tempted by a X1950 but the rest of my specs don't match it, plus it's twice what I'd like to play anyway.

Basically any graphics card that's the equivelent or better of an Nvidia 6800, if it's quiet that's a massive bonus too, thanks!
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9y, 7m agoPosted 9 years, 7 months ago
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#1
The ATI X1650 Pro or GT are probably what you should be looking at in that price range.

Something like this: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/118281 perhaps
#2
In that price range try this:-
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=564716

Often Scan have one day only offers, usually including graphics cards, unfortunately today is not one of those days, but if your not in a hurry keep watching the deals page
#3
blizeH
My 6800 is being funny so I need a new graphics card, ideally an ATI one because I've not been too impressed by Nvidia.

Ideally I'd like to spend as close to £60-£70 as possible, I'm tempted by a X1950 but the rest of my specs don't match it, plus it's twice what I'd like to play anyway.

Basically any graphics card that's the equivelent or better of an Nvidia 6800, if it's quiet that's a massive bonus too, thanks!


I have a 6800 in one of my PCs and it's fine..so what is funny about yours??...have you loaded the latest nvidia drivers?..I can also recommend using Coolbits software to utilise the clocking facility that is resident in the nvidia driver software...mine can run all the latest games on near max settings and runs ever so smoothly.
#4
Those X1650's look quite good thanks, how do they perform compared to the 6800 and X1950?

@ currychops; it runs fine, it's just really noisy and makes a high pitched 'bzzt' sounds whilst I'm doing certain things, not end of the world stuff as it's been doing it since I bought it a year ago, but now I've finally diagnosed the problem I just want a new card :)
#5
I don't know compared to the 6800 that's not a comparison I've ever seen, I'd imagine they'd just about beat it. the X1950 will beat the pants of pretty much anything bar an 8800 but it's a hell of a lot more money than the 1650's
#6
Yeah, I'd get the X1950 if it weren't for two things:

1) My other components don't come close to matching it.
2) I'm getting a new PC sometime in the next six months or so probably.
#7
Reckon I should go for the X1650 then?
#8
Final bump, sorry. Is it worth me getting an x1950 for my system, or the lower x1650 and just wait 'til I get a new PC? Thanks
#9
x1650's fine for me. it's not gonna run Crysis at full pelt, but then not much can and it should be fine with pretty much everything else.
#10
@ megalomanic; I went with the x1650 in the end, thanks for the recommendation!

One thing I'm having issues with at the moment though is the performance of the card. I didn't have time last night to do any proper tests but the things I did try were massively disappointing.

I ran Aquamark as a basic performance test; my 6800 (Asus V9999) got a score of ~46xx and my new x1650 only got a score of ~37xx. No problem I thought, maybe it's just that particular software, so I loaded up Half-Life 2 - exactly the same problems. It actually runs worse than my old card which makes no sense at all.

In the benchmarks I was reading the x1650 (256mb DDR3) came out above the 6800GT almost every time, and as far as I know the 6800GT was a fair bit better than my old card (128mb DDR) so this should be even better again. I installed the latest drivers from the ATI website from the start so I don't think it's a driver issue. :(

Any ideas please megalo?
#11
That's an odd one, as you say it should beat a 6800. The 7600GT beats the 6800 hands down, and the X1650Pro & XT are direct competition for the 7600's, one sitting either side performance wise. You didn't have it overclocked or anything did you? Asus do that sometimes with their cards.

Did you go with the Sapphire in the end?

One thing to note is that the new cards aren't so fussed with speed as they are with shaders, particularly shader model 3 (NV 7 & ATI x1 series)/3+ (NV 8 series). Aquamark is only shader model 2.0 compatible, it's not what the 1650's optimised for.
#12
Not sure, I never manually overclocked it, nor have I overclocked this one, but whether it was overlocked out of the box. And yup I went with the Sapphire in the end, looked good and had the best price, heh.

Good call on Aquamark, I thought maybe htat'd explain why this one was so far behind, but the fact Half-Life 2 (more specifically CSS) ran worse as well is a tad worrying! Huge thanks for the reply btw, really appreciate it :)
#13
blizeH
Not sure, I never manually overclocked it, nor have I overclocked this one, but whether it was overlocked out of the box. And yup I went with the Sapphire in the end, looked good and had the best price, heh.

Good call on Aquamark, I thought maybe htat'd explain why this one was so far behind, but the fact Half-Life 2 (more specifically CSS) ran worse as well is a tad worrying! Huge thanks for the reply btw, really appreciate it :)


You should check your settings are the same, e.g. do you have full scene anti-aliasing turned on with the ATI but not the NVIDIA or something similar? That includes the driver settings as well as the in game settings. Also, odd as it sounds different cards are optimised for different resolutions, you may actually get better performance from a higher resolution.

Also worth remembering those cards are supposed to overclock quite nicely, apparently if you invest in some extra memory cooling you can get some very very nice speeds out of it compared to what it cost.
#14
Yup, the settings are definitely the same, just loaded up HL2 straight away without really modifying anything. I'm running in 1680 x 1050 resolution btw.

Any ideas on the best way to overclock it, or the best software or how much I should o/c it too? I never bothered with my old card but since this one isn't performing I think maybe I should reconsider :) Thanks again for the reply!
#15
Try this: http://www.techpowerup.com/atitool/

1680x1050 is not a standard resolution, that may explain a lot. Good widescreen support is something only pretty recently considered as a priority by the ATI/NVIDIA.

The problem with WS is it messes up the way they traditionally handle memory and other such technical stuff (don't want to geek you out :thumbsup: ). But still, it should be just as much of a problem for the 6800.......

Oh and you may find some things are switched on (or off) by default in the ATI drivers that aren't in the NVIDIA ones. Also by default with a full install the ATI (catalyst suite) will run VPU recover, which while slowing things down a tad will stop a g/c issue crashing your computer.
#16
Thanks for the link, it was playing up in 1024 x whatever too (non widescreen) so I don't think it's just the resolution that's screwing it up. Is it worth me getting the catalyst suite? I may have more luck with that than what I've done so far.

Majorly disappointed with this card based on first impressions really, the fan actually sounds awful at low speeds (like a low pitched drone noise) and the next speed up sounds like an incredibly noisy CD drive. And that's discounting the fact it seems to really underperform compared to my old (apparently very) inferior card!

Even ATI tool screwed up, I set to find the maximum GPU/MEM speeds and it was pushing the limits up, there were heaps of artefacts on the screen at one point but just said "no errors" and kept on going 'til the card temporarily died and I had to restart the computer :/
#17
Odd, try the catalyst suite to see exactly what's on and off. If you're still getting problems then I'd be tempted to send it back. Mine (assuming it's the same model, X1650 Pro right?) is pretty quiet, my PSU fan's much noisier than that.

Perhaps an upgrade to the X1950 is in order ;-). lol
#18
Yup, it's an x1650 Pro! Is yours made by Saphire too?

Hehe, the x1950 looks like a nice card, but I really don't think it's worth getting in AGP format since I'll be looking to get a new PC sometime, if my board had PCI-E I'd buy it without hesitation!
#19
ATI Tool really is a lovely piece of kit, thank you! It took me a little while to find the options I was after, but now it's overclocked to 695 for the GPU core and 859 for the memory, that's after dropping it quite a bit from what ATI tool said was the maximum, and it's running at a fairly decent temperature and without any artifacts at all, even after running the artefact test for a good few minutes.

Most importantly I've changed the fan speeds too, basically any temperature below 63 degrees and it'll run at 43% which is lovely and quiet, and anything above that it really kicks in quite heavily so when I'm playing games the temperature shouldn't get very high at all, after just running all of these overclock tests it never went above 68 degrees, I've just finished and it's shot straight back down to 58 degrees and is running very quietly as I'm posting this.

No idea still what the performance will be like, I assume I'll see quite a considerable difference though since I'm running it at much higher speeds now, either way it's very quiet, it's over clocked well and I've suddenly gone from hating this card to actually rather liking it in the space of around 10 minutes, gotta love that ATI Tool!
#20
Ahhh the power of overclocking :). Welcome to the darkside lol
#21
hehe :) Do my new speeds seem okay? I won't kill the card will I?
#22
From what I've read you can safely go about 8-9% at least with these cards as they factor in plenty of headroom for stability.

You just need to keep an eye on that temperature, and look out for any artefacts etc. I'd say to try and keep it around 70degrees or less to be on the safe side.

Run a 3d Mark test for a few hours see how it goes, if it's stable and the temp stays sensible then brilliant. Bear in mind it WILL get hotter the longer it's going full pelt (i.e. a game). So you need to make sure it can handle a good long gaming session while you're in a position to monitor the temp and make sure all's ok, hence the 3d mark suggestion.
#23
Very good idea, thanks again megalomaniac, you're an absolute star!

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