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can anyone tell me the difference between ESA and PIP Read More
callu80 Avatar
1m, 1w agoPosted 1 month, 1 week ago
can anyone tell me the difference between ESA and PIP
callu80 Avatar
1m, 1w agoPosted 1 month, 1 week ago
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#1
They are both for real health issues but the difference is dla (soon to be pip) is not affected by how much money you have coming in. You can work AND claim dla. Esa is for people who are too ill to work
#2
ESA is the benefit you claim when you have been signed as unfit for work by your doctor. DLA is a benefit to provide additional support for people with health problems. DLA has now been replaced by PIP.
#3
so if I had a Sick line from my Gp I could claim both?
#4
DLA does not exist anymore for new claims. You would claim PIP personal independence payments.
ESA is available to anyone, however your sick papers will only cover you for a period of time up to the point they interview you and then they make their own decision.
#5
callu80
so if I had a Sick line from my Gp I could claim both?
Dla or pip is for people with long term / permanent life changing disabilities , not for people with a sick note.
#6
like depression and stress
#7
psychobitchfromhell
callu80
so if I had a Sick line from my Gp I could claim both?
Dla or pip is for people with long term / permanent life changing disabilities , not for people with a sick note.


the assessment criteria for activities seems to be the same for both ESA and PIP. Am I correct in saying that to be classed as disabled I have to have an illness which is likely to continue for longer than 3 months.
#8
What's ur age and what job do u do r u self employed or work for a company.all these factors have a impact on what u can get. under 16s can still get disbility living allowance but that is really or people with long term disbility not illness the other one depends how long u been off work and if ur employed ur employer stops paying u sick pay otherwise u can't claim it unless the sick pay is very low but the forms u need fill etc etc if u hopefully getting better within 2-3 months it's not worth it.
#9
MynameisM
What's ur age and what job do u do r u self employed or work for a company.all these factors have a impact on what u can get. under 16s can still get disbility living allowance but that is really or people with long term disbility not illness the other one depends how long u been off work and if ur employed ur employer stops paying u sick pay otherwise u can't claim it unless the sick pay is very low but the forms u need fill etc etc if u hopefully getting better within 2-3 months it's not worth it.


u wot m8?
#10
callu80
psychobitchfromhell
callu80
so if I had a Sick line from my Gp I could claim both?
Dla or pip is for people with long term / permanent life changing disabilities , not for people with a sick note.
the assessment criteria for activities seems to be the same for both ESA and PIP. Am I correct in saying that to be classed as disabled I have to have an illness which is likely to continue for longer than 3 months.
PIP is personal independence payment. It is to help with things like mobility needs and to pay for things which enable you to live an independent life. I claim it on behalf of my son who has autism. He needs a much higher level of support to cope in the real world than a normal teenager. My mother in law was entitled to it because she had to have both knees replaced and could not walk far. It is for that level of disability. I'm not sure depression or stress would count unless it was extremely severe and prevented you from working and meant you had extra costs relating to your illness.
#11
The real reason for the change. The DWP couldn't get people off DLA without a huge fuss. So our wonderful government, who loathe to give money to anyone, abolished it and introduced PiP. Now everyone has to have an assessment interview where they're forced to justify their illness. The reports are sent to the DWP and then they decide if you're ill enough to get PiP. But the reports are a joke, missing info, comments with no context, ect. In effect, not fit for purpose. (unless the purpose is to force genuinely ill people into work they can't do, but never mind, it's gets them off benefits)
It's a case of picking on those 'soft targets' who are least able to defend themselves.

Edited By: steve1221 on Mar 16, 2017 11:39
#12
You will be likely to get ESA if you have a sick note. You can get both technically if you have a disability i.e. VI, Blind etc.
#13
steve1221
The real reason for the change. The DWP couldn't get people off DLA without a huge fuss. So our wonderful government, who loathe to give money to anyone, abolished it and introduced PiP. Now everyone has to have an assessment interview where they're forced to justify their illness. The reports are sent to the DWP and then they decide if you're ill enough to get PiP. But the reports are a joke, missing info, comments with no context, ect. In effect, not fit for purpose. (unless the purpose is to force genuinely ill people into work they can't do, but never mind, it's gets them off benefits)
It's a case of picking on those 'soft targets' who are least able to defend themselves.

the issue with assessment for PIP is that the assessment process is contracted out to private companies. The people doing the assessment can be physiotherapist, ambulance drivers, Drs etc etc. This means that someone unqualified to assess a condition may be the assessor for it. They follow a set template to assess the issues and measure the needs on a points based system for the allowance.

This points based system was an attempt to make the allocation of the benefit more equitable and fair. It was not an attempt to reduce benefits payments to individuals.

However, the system has failed because the private companies assessing have a performance related bonus system. That means the assessor has a financial motivation for doing them as quickly as possible. There has been televised fly on the wall research showing the consequent corruption and failures of this assessment process. As an example, on my own assessment it said I had seen a urologist who had classed me as being cured. In reality I had never seen a urologist but was being treated by a consultant neurologist. Either the ambulance driver didn't understand the difference or had based my assessment on the previous assessment of someone else as it was quicker.

The private companies doing the assessment do not get any financial penalty for their assessments which are overturned by court subsequently. This court appeal/ assessment process is both prolonged and costly.
#14
callu80
so if I had a Sick line from my Gp I could claim both?
Are you for real? oO
#15
jonnithomas
steve1221
The real reason for the change. The DWP couldn't get people off DLA without a huge fuss. So our wonderful government, who loathe to give money to anyone, abolished it and introduced PiP. Now everyone has to have an assessment interview where they're forced to justify their illness. The reports are sent to the DWP and then they decide if you're ill enough to get PiP. But the reports are a joke, missing info, comments with no context, ect. In effect, not fit for purpose. (unless the purpose is to force genuinely ill people into work they can't do, but never mind, it's gets them off benefits)
It's a case of picking on those 'soft targets' who are least able to defend themselves.

the issue with assessment for PIP is that the assessment process is contracted out to private companies. The people doing the assessment can be physiotherapist, ambulance drivers, Drs etc etc. This means that someone unqualified to assess a condition may be the assessor for it. They follow a set template to assess the issues and measure the needs on a points based system for the allowance.

This points based system was an attempt to make the allocation of the benefit more equitable and fair. It was not an attempt to reduce benefits payments to individuals.

However, the system has failed because the private companies assessing have a performance related bonus system. That means the assessor has a financial motivation for doing them as quickly as possible. There has been televised fly on the wall research showing the consequent corruption and failures of this assessment process. As an example, on my own assessment it said I had seen a urologist who had classed me as being cured. In reality I had never seen a urologist but was being treated by a consultant neurologist. Either the ambulance driver didn't understand the difference or had based my assessment on the previous assessment of someone else as it was quicker.

The private companies doing the assessment do not get any financial penalty for their assessments which are overturned by court subsequently. This court appeal/ assessment process is both prolonged and costly.



Changing to PIP is designed to constrict eligibility to save money, so of course assessors say there is insufficient evidence for a claim to meet their targets.

"Following Wednesday's budget announcements, the immediate focus is on PIP, Personal Independence Payment, which is replacing Disability Living Allowance. The government plans to tighten the criteria for the benefit, saving £1.3bn by 2020, and affecting 640,000 people."

BBC news - 17th March 2016
#16
chocci
callu80
so if I had a Sick line from my Gp I could claim both?
Are you for real? oO


I doubt it very much. it seems to have been a post to provoke people.

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