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Hi, Looking at getting a new TV for a new house we are moving in to. Checking about and realise the Samsung KS7000 series is a popular TV. Not got a PS4 Pro at this time but may do in the future and … Read More
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5m, 2w agoPosted 5 months, 2 weeks ago
Hi,

Looking at getting a new TV for a new house we are moving in to. Checking about and realise the Samsung KS7000 series is a popular TV. Not got a PS4 Pro at this time but may do in the future and I do have a One S. Is the LG 60UH605V a good set? I see it's like £749.99 at Very with 10% off going on a BNPL plan which is preferable considering we are moving etc.

Any good deals posted that I have not seen, please let me know. TV's are not my strongest point... realise HDR and a 10 bit panel is what's best for gaming... any advice appreciated.

THANK YOU :)
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5m, 2w agoPosted 5 months, 2 weeks ago
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#1
Personally I think you need to up your budget.

KS7000 is good but mediocre.

Same with the LG.

To show off 4K You need a large screen ideally bigger than 55".

But if you go larger than 55" you need a good spec high end TV otherwise motion judder etc will be very noticeable. ...

If you had the budget you should consider the Samsung 65KS9000. That's around £1,950.

Or an LG equivalent - but only higher spec.

Also, the 2017 TV's will be out soon claiming to be even better - albeit at higher prices (ie no savings till late this year).

My advice, Don't scrimp and save on a TV. You'll have it for at least 7 years.... so cost will be reasonably over this time.

Lastly..... Virgin do not yet do 4K, Sky Q has but not everything.

And PS4 Pro..... don't expect a high difference....

Good luck
#2
I have the Ks7000 and think its a lot more than mediocre. The one you have listed is twice the price and I'm not sure its twice the value. The KS7000 is easily the best TV I have bought for the money. There wont be many around now though as its last years model.
#3
I agree jpdwest.

I'm not meaning to suggest KS7000 is poor at all - it has got some great reviews and is a great TV.

And yes - the KS9000 is more expensive (but not double the price of 65" KS7000).

But your point is valid - is it worth the extra?

It depends on what budget the OP has available. ...

The OP will need to compare TV's and fast moving action scenes and decide what he likes best - budget dependant. ... (maybe even try some blu-rays movies out on each to compare - John Lewis will let you do this).

As jpdwest says - these models will very soon become hard to find. .....

Good luck
#4
The 4K TV debate is laughable, people say you need a screen this big and have to be this close. It's all rubbish as everyone has different levels f vision and direct sight. Try sitting 5 feet away from a 50 inch screen, it's a joke. You're so close you can't even see the whole screen not to mention you look stupid. 4k screens will be an improvment regardless of how far away you are, maybe not 4 times better but from my experience it's better nonetheless.
#5
I'm after a 55 and will get one of the following if they drop before the mentioned price, else will wait for the new range coming out in the next 2-3 months.

LG Oled55b6v - under £1500
Samsung ue55KS8000 - under £1000
Samsung ue55KS7000 - under £850 (has been before but not sold on this one)

Happy to look at other suggestions in this thread too :)
#6
Agree everyone's sight is different yes.

My point about size is simply if you got a new small (non-4K) TV would it really look any different to a new small 4K TV?

Again subjective but the point is valid.

But yes, everyone's eyes are different - so best thing is to do some thorough testing in store. ....

Good luck.
#7
markrob84
The 4K TV debate is laughable, people say you need a screen this big and have to be this close. It's all rubbish as everyone has different levels f vision and direct sight. Try sitting 5 feet away from a 50 inch screen, it's a joke. You're so close you can't even see the whole screen not to mention you look stupid. 4k screens will be an improvment regardless of how far away you are, maybe not 4 times better but from my experience it's better nonetheless.


It's a resolution benefit issue. It's very unlikely that most of us would see a real qualitative difference between a sub 55ins 4k TV and a decent FHD TV. Especially as resolution isn't even the most important thing when it comes to TV picture quality.
#8
markrob84
The 4K TV debate is laughable, people say you need a screen this big and have to be this close. It's all rubbish as everyone has different levels f vision and direct sight. Try sitting 5 feet away from a 50 inch screen, it's a joke. You're so close you can't even see the whole screen not to mention you look stupid. 4k screens will be an improvment regardless of how far away you are, maybe not 4 times better but from my experience it's better nonetheless.
I have 4k 40". Looks no different 1080p to 4k on the sofa. Unless you have superhuman vision.
#9
loopylloyd
Any good deals posted that I have not seen, please let me know. TV's are not my strongest point... realise HDR and a 10 bit panel is what's best for gaming... any advice appreciated.

A 10-bit panel is irrelevant, it makes a tiny difference in practice.

Strictly speaking HDR is the ability to show brighter highlights while maintaining the same average picture brightness and it's currently a very expensive technology. You're looking at an OLED or FALD TV at around £1500-2000 such as the LG B6, Panasonic DX902 or Philips 7601.

But TV manufacturers are also wrapping up the move to a wider colour space in the same technology push/marketing so you can get that part of 'HDR' on much cheaper televisions such as the Sony XD80, Samsung KU6400 and Panasonic DX700.

Below that you've got TVs that support neither but can take an HDR signal and display it in SDR such as the LG UH605V.


Edge-lit TVs like the KS7/8/9000 are somewhere between the first two groups. They can dim section of the picture but those sections are large chunks so in practice the highlights don't tend to be particularly bright.


Until we know how far down the range OLED/FALD TVs will reach in this year's models it's hard to estimate how reasonable a buy the more expensive edge lit TVs are.

Alternatively, just say sod it to HDR and buy a LG EG910V to take advantage of the higher frame rates and smoother gameplay many games will use the extra power for at Full HD.
#10
No I can just see 4 times more pixels as my TV should, don't blame me if you got sold a **** 4K TV mate.
#11
smellyonion
markrob84
The 4K TV debate is laughable, people say you need a screen this big and have to be this close. It's all rubbish as everyone has different levels f vision and direct sight. Try sitting 5 feet away from a 50 inch screen, it's a joke. You're so close you can't even see the whole screen not to mention you look stupid. 4k screens will be an improvment regardless of how far away you are, maybe not 4 times better but from my experience it's better nonetheless.
I have 4k 40". Looks no different 1080p to 4k on the sofa. Unless you have superhuman vision.


Sounds like you have been conned mate, I clearly see a better picture as it should, if yours is the same as 1080p then you my friend have wasted your money.
#12
markrob84
smellyonion
markrob84
The 4K TV debate is laughable, people say you need a screen this big and have to be this close. It's all rubbish as everyone has different levels f vision and direct sight. Try sitting 5 feet away from a 50 inch screen, it's a joke. You're so close you can't even see the whole screen not to mention you look stupid. 4k screens will be an improvment regardless of how far away you are, maybe not 4 times better but from my experience it's better nonetheless.
I have 4k 40". Looks no different 1080p to 4k on the sofa. Unless you have superhuman vision.
Sounds like you have been conned mate, I clearly see a better picture as it should, if yours is the same as 1080p then you my friend have wasted your money.

It all depends - a top end 1080p vs low end 4K? I wouldn't expect to see much difference on a 40" especially if far from tv set....

Lots of variables to consider. ...

Everyone's view and perception of what they see will be different and subjective....

My view - I like big. May not be others' preference. ...

Try in shop with same blu- ray disc (and same player - JL will accommodate this) on different sets within budget and make a decision from there. ......
#13
A 4K TV should produce a better picture quality by definition, if yours is not producing a better quality picture then it seems you have brought a very rubbish 4K TV. I'm sorry to say it but it's he truth. Has nothing to do with "super human vision" as you put it.
#14
Kenp8257
markrob84
smellyonion
markrob84
The 4K TV debate is laughable, people say you need a screen this big and have to be this close. It's all rubbish as everyone has different levels f vision and direct sight. Try sitting 5 feet away from a 50 inch screen, it's a joke. You're so close you can't even see the whole screen not to mention you look stupid. 4k screens will be an improvment regardless of how far away you are, maybe not 4 times better but from my experience it's better nonetheless.
I have 4k 40". Looks no different 1080p to 4k on the sofa. Unless you have superhuman vision.
Sounds like you have been conned mate, I clearly see a better picture as it should, if yours is the same as 1080p then you my friend have wasted your money.

It all depends - a top end 1080p vs low end 4K? I wouldn't expect to see much difference on a 40" especially if far from tv set....

Lots of variables to consider. ...

Everyone's view and perception of what they see will be different and subjective....

My view - I like big. May not be others' preference. ...

Try in shop with same blu- ray disc (and same player - JL will accommodate this) on different sets within budget and make a decision from there. ......


If your 4K TV does not produce a better quality picture then 1080 then unfortunately you have paid for cheap rubbish made TV. 4K is a better picture by definition depending on what your source is.
#15
markrob84
Kenp8257
markrob84
smellyonion
markrob84
The 4K TV debate is laughable, people say you need a screen this big and have to be this close. It's all rubbish as everyone has different levels f vision and direct sight. Try sitting 5 feet away from a 50 inch screen, it's a joke. You're so close you can't even see the whole screen not to mention you look stupid. 4k screens will be an improvment regardless of how far away you are, maybe not 4 times better but from my experience it's better nonetheless.
I have 4k 40". Looks no different 1080p to 4k on the sofa. Unless you have superhuman vision.
Sounds like you have been conned mate, I clearly see a better picture as it should, if yours is the same as 1080p then you my friend have wasted your money.
It all depends - a top end 1080p vs low end 4K? I wouldn't expect to see much difference on a 40" especially if far from tv set....
Lots of variables to consider. ...
Everyone's view and perception of what they see will be different and subjective....
My view - I like big. May not be others' preference. ...
Try in shop with same blu- ray disc (and same player - JL will accommodate this) on different sets within budget and make a decision from there. ......
If your 4K TV does not produce a better quality picture then 1080 then unfortunately you have paid for cheap rubbish made TV. 4K is a better picture by definition depending on what your source is.

Agree - there's some poor cheap 4K models out there (same applies for 1080p sets too)

But..... most reviews do say 4K is wasted on smaller sets. ...

But accept regardless of size you should see an improvement. ...

Source obviously affects things no matter what format. ...

Just remember - there's a reason why some tv's are cheap. .....
#16
markrob84
A 4K TV should produce a better picture quality by definition

A 4K TV with a 4K source, at a close enough distance, will produce a more detailed picture.

But for more typical usage that's not necessarily true. Right now the 4K upscalers seem worse than the Full HD ones, presumably because they're not as refined, so for broadcast TV it can look worse.

And of course, that's just a small part of what makes up overall picture quality. Nothing says a higher resolution panel is going to be better in any of the other important areas.

So in practice, a high quality Full HD TV can easily produce a better picture.
#17
Well said.

Best advise is to try them out using same blu-ray disc and player (thus the same source and reference point) and see what tv in your budget you like best.

Try to get shop to sample free view (HD) too....

Good luck
#18
Thanks everyone for opinions. Appreciate it.

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