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Chrysler 300s - why so cheap?

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They look an alright car to me, I cant get over how cheap they are 2nd hand - is their something I'm missing? I quite fancy a Yank Tank! Read More
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9y, 7m agoPosted 9 years, 7 months ago
They look an alright car to me, I cant get over how cheap they are 2nd hand - is their something I'm missing? I quite fancy a Yank Tank!
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#1
You never forget your first Chrysler!
[SIZE=2]For most it's also their last.[/SIZE]
#2
Unreliable after the first few years and quite expensive for parts - so says the guy who services my car.

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#3
I would be looking to paint mine orange, fit a dixie horn and have Cooter service it, so the above should'nt apply. I can win any trick parts by beating the cream of the NASCAR circuit when they come to town for a one off race.
#4
Well they always started off reasonably priced.

And underneath, they are a previous shape E-Class, with (in best case scenario ;-)) a hemi under the bonnet.

I wouldn't have thought reliability should be that bad, given their roots. Parts or good service may be an issue, though .

They are on my list of potentials, when it comes to car changing time.
#5
Its just the depreciation.... Chryslers aren't good on retaining their value.

Depends what you view as 'cheap' too!!!
#6
i really thought these cost more than 7 grand. someone is selling a 07 plate which only done 70 miles for 7,100 pounds.
also they look really good but most american cars are unreliable. japanese cars are the most reliable.
#7
waby1234
Its just the depreciation.... Chryslers aren't good on retaining their value.


Which is wonderful, so long as you're not buying brand new. Especially if you are keeping it a while.

waby1234
Depends what you view as 'cheap' too!!!


For what they are, as a new car price, they are cheap - that's always been the big thing about the 300C.

And depreciation is just sweetening the deal for me, I'm not going to buy a brand new car, and watch it depreciate a few k as soon as my name has gone on the log book. So if used prices are poor for them, then I'm sold.
#8
ALICOM007
i really thought these cost more than 7 grand. someone is selling a 07 plate which only done 70 miles for 7,100 pounds.
also they look really good but most american cars are unreliable. japanese cars are the most reliable.


Well as to the reliability thing, they are fundamentally the previous shape E-Class.

Now I'm not sure about the diesel or the 6 cylinder variaties, but the hemi is a know quantity.
#9
Lester Burnham
Well as to the reliability thing, they are fundamentally the previous shape E-Class.

Now I'm not sure about the diesel or the 6 cylinder variaties, but the hemi is a know quantity.



E class Merc?
#10
ghinzani
E class Merc?


Do you mean that's where the 6 cylinder engines come from?
#11
actually i think the price i gave is wrong. autotrader isnt working properly coz there is beta. does anyone know how much these cost? cheapest one?
#12
Lester Burnham
Which is wonderful, so long as you're not buying brand new. Especially if you are keeping it a while.



For what they are, as a new car price, they are cheap - that's always been the big thing about the 300C.

And depreciation is just sweetening the deal for me, I'm not going to buy a brand new car, and watch it depreciate a few k as soon as my name has gone on the log book. So if used prices are poor for them, then I'm sold.


Oh don't get me wrong I'm all for buying used and saving a packet or the list price.

And perhaps cheap isn't the best word to use - perhaps the phrase 'value for money' might be better? I don't see how anything costing thousands of pounds is really cheap!!!
#13
There cheap cos they can;t go around roundabouts properly so people get rid of them ASAP.
#14
waby1234
Oh don't get me wrong I'm all for buying used and saving a packet or the list price.

And perhaps cheap isn't the best word to use - perhaps the phrase 'value for money' might be better? I don't see how anything costing thousands of pounds is really cheap!!!


I think the reason why people consider them cheap, is that buying a similar type of car, with the same degree of build, size, and equipment, and you'd probably have to spend a fair degree more.
#15
hotdealing
There cheap cos they can;t go around roundabouts properly so people get rid of them ASAP.


They're cheap, quite likely because their initial selling price isn't that high (given their spec), and that not being a premium brand, probably don't have rock-solid residuals.

On the other hand, they do seem to be in reasonable demand.

As to how they drive, just because Clarkson and Top Gear seem primarily focussed on how a car performs on track, and how it can be hussled around a tight corner on a country road, doesn't have that much relevance to what most people expect from their driving experience.

Trying to hussle a 2 ton + luxo barge around a track, or talking about how well it corners, is somewhat missing the point of why people buy such cars.

They're not bad handling cars. They just don't handle quite the same as european sports saloons.

Sometimes I despair on the whole dumming down and max power attitude of some motoring journalists at times. It may be entertaining, and performance orientated, but it often turns into a mantra for the fans.
#16
Lester Burnham
I think the reason why people consider them cheap, is that buying a similar type of car, with the same degree of build, size, and equipment, and you'd probably have to spend a fair degree more.


Value for money then!
#17
Lester Burnham
They're cheap, quite likely because their initial selling price isn't that high (given their spec), and that not being a premium brand, probably don't have rock-solid residuals.

On the other hand, they do seem to be in reasonable demand.

As to how they drive, just because Clarkson and Top Gear seem primarily focussed on how a car performs on track, and how it can be hussled around a tight corner on a country road, doesn't have that much relevance to what most people expect from their driving experience.

Trying to hussle a 2 ton + luxo barge around a track, or talking about how well it corners, is somewhat missing the point of why people buy such cars.

They're not bad handling cars. They just don't handle quite the same as european sports saloons.

Sometimes I despair on the whole dumming down and max power attitude of some motoring journalists at times. It may be entertaining, and performance orientated, but it often turns into a mantra for the fans.


I've not seen a Top Gear where jeremy clarkson is thrashing a 300C around a track? I think what you have to remember is that Top Gear is fundamentally an entertainment program - its designed to be fun and lighthearted. Think of the long distance races, the "buy this car for x amount and complete these challenges", pushing a ferrari say to its limits on an airfield.... its all entertainment. Its a chance for many people who may not get to experience these cars to get some idea of what they are like!

I don't think that discussing how well a car corners is missing the point at all, if you aren't interested in this, and other characteristics you might as well pick your next car out by thumbing through Parkers guide! Cars are emotive things - the way a car feels, its balance, how it corners, how it accelerates are all part of the experience.
#18
waby1234
I've not seen a Top Gear where jeremy clarkson is thrashing a 300C around a track?


I think it was taken on the track, but most of it that I saw, it was being thrashed around a beach, compared with something more sporting like a Jag type R, and some other euro sport saloon - can't remember which other one.

Point being, though, that their criteria is nearly always how sport-car like a car is.

waby1234
I think what you have to remember is that Top Gear is fundamentally an entertainment program - its designed to be fun and lighthearted.


Exactly my point.

However, it does get a bit weary, when people seize this, and then suggest (after probably never driving the damn car personally) that as a result such a car doesn't navigate roundabouts.

It's a large-ish, heavy, luxo-barge. Damning it for it's sporting characteristics is a bit, well, narrow-minded.

Top Gear entertains me. But much of it is teenage rubbish in terms of their opinions. And that's great - as you say, fun, and what many blokes want to watch. I just don't buy that the market for something like a 300C is that concerned with it's high-speed cornering ability.

waby1234
I don't think that discussing how well a car corners is missing the point at all, if you aren't interested in this, and other characteristics you might as well pick your next car out by thumbing through Parkers guide! Cars are emotive things - the way a car feels, its balance, how it corners, how it accelerates are all part of the experience.


Oh indeed - but in very much the main, spouting Top Gear or their findings is a bit of a lazy argument. By all means, drive such a car, and if for your driving interests, it lets your down, then fair enough. But damning it by proxy, just seems a tad inequitable.
#19
Lester Burnham
I think it was taken on the track, but most of it that I saw, it was being thrashed around a beach, compared with something more sporting like a Jag type R, and some other euro sport saloon - can't remember which other one.

Point being, though, that their criteria is nearly always how sport-car like a car is.



Exactly my point.

However, it does get a bit weary, when people seize this, and then suggest (after probably never driving the damn car personally) that as a result such a car doesn't navigate roundabouts.

It's a large-ish, heavy, luxo-barge. Damning it for it's sporting characteristics is a bit, well, narrow-minded.

Top Gear entertains me. But much of it is teenage rubbish in terms of their opinions. And that's great - as you say, fun, and what many blokes want to watch. I just don't buy that the market for something like a 300C is that concerned with it's high-speed cornering ability.



Oh indeed - but in very much the main, spouting Top Gear or their findings is a bit of a lazy argument. By all means, drive such a car, and if for your driving interests, it lets your down, then fair enough. But damning it by proxy, just seems a tad inequitable.


The 300C was put up against the Jag S-type R, and Vauxhall (Holden Monaro), primarily due to its engine (the HEMI V8) which is to all intents and purposes a highly sporting engine. I don't believe the sporting characteristics of the 300C have been 'damned' by Top Gear or this thread at all.

You may be missing the point of my original post, regarding the depreciation of the 300C. I am not slating the car at all, I've never driven it personally, I am a fan of the looks and the presence, but I imagine I would not be such a fan of the economy or the depreciation!!! Chrysler aren't known as a generally desirable marque, and the 300C is one of those oddball cars which has become a success by its own merit. I think you may have misunderstood the tone of the thread - I personally haven't slated the car myself or by proxy.
#20
waby1234
The 300C was put up against the Jag S-type R, and Vauxhall (Holden Monaro), primarily due to its engine (the HEMI V8) which is to all intents and purposes a highly sporting engine. I don't believe the sporting characteristics of the 300C have been 'damned' by Top Gear or this thread at all.


Seriously? Top Gear pretty much slammed the 300C on that very episode, and I suspect that the comment about roundabouts didn't come from actually driving a 300C around a roundabout.

I could be wrong about that, and perhaps the person mentioning how poorly 300Cs go around roundabouts is speaking from a reasonable amount of personal experience, but from where I'm sat, most of these things are simply regurgitated bile from entertainment like Top Gear.

waby1234
You may be missing the point of my original post, regarding the depreciation of the 300C. I am not slating the car at all, I've never driven it personally, I am a fan of the looks and the presence, but I imagine I would not be such a fan of the economy


Well I believe the hemi, at least, has funky ECU programming meaning that when "cruising" the ECU cyclically runs on 4 cylinders, specifically to reduce fuel consumption, and alternates cylinders to uniformly deal with heat.

That said, you don't tend to by a V8 for it's economy ;-)

waby1234
or the depreciation!!!Chrysler aren't known as a generally desirable marque, and the 300C is one of those oddball cars which has become a success by its own merit.


That, and it's image, I'd guess. They do have a certain presence, and from a distance, or out of the corner of the eye, the front, at least, bears a passing resemblence to more prestigious marques like Bentley.

waby1234
I think you may have misunderstood the tone of the
thread - I personally haven't slated the car myself or by proxy.


No, I wasn't suggesting you did.

It was just the comment about roundabouts, really. They're really not such poor handling cars that you're average driver would complain or have issues about. They aren't perhaps up there with the 5 series or some of the more sporting, euro, large saloons.

They're just a bit big, wallowy and soft - but then that's what you'd expect from a luxo-barge - not something that's competing with out and out sports coupes like the Monaro, or the sportiest version of the S-type (the type R).
#21
Quite true there, the nature of the 300C may not be along the same lines as say a Monaro, but a Jag S type R would be a fair comparison I reckon.... a comfortable luxury saloon with a fair bit of poke when its needed.

Even with a Hemi running on 4 cylinders the economy would still seriously hurt my bank balance!

I agree that the comment about roundabouts is perhaps not fair, I imagine it was a fairly throwaway comment by the poster.

Oh and if anyone has a Hemi 300C I'd love to borrow it for the weekend ;-)
#22
waby1234
Quite true there, the nature of the 300C may not be along the same lines as say a Monaro, but a Jag S type R would be a fair comparison I reckon....


I'm not convinced.

The type R version is the hottest, most sporty S type they do. It's Jaguar trying to do the BMW M thing.

Not the same as simply getting a large-ish saloon, and chucking in an american V8.

All I'm saying is that the 300C appears to have no pretensions to being sporty. Just sort of luxo-barge, and with the hemi engine, having a reasonable degree of poke.

Presumably the only reason why the standard V8 S type wasn't compared, being that perhaps the output or capacity wasn't similar enough. But that's more likely the comparison.

UltimoScorpion
a comfortable luxury saloon with a fair bit of poke when its needed.


That's the thing, though. The S type, type R, is the sporty S type. Like the XJR is for the XJs or the XKR is for the XKs.

It's not just a saloon with a V8 slapped in, it's a saloon with a supercharged V8 slapped in, and all the rest of the gubbins - suspension, chassis tweaking, probably gearbox programming, and probably weight saving, all geared up around the type Rs being the "sports" versions.

UltimoScorpion
Even with a Hemi running on 4 cylinders the economy would still seriously hurt my bank balance!


Well I think the 300C and the Lexus LSs (ie the LS400s or LS430s) would probably make good used car purchases. I think the Lexus being the more sensible choice, all round, though.

Personally, I've not really looked at the used prices much, yet, I'm not thinking of changing at the moment.
#23
My comment was a bit tongue in cheek as it is an american car. However I have driven one and I actually didnt like the ride when going down curvy roads near where I live. I found it rolled a bit too much for my liking. However it can probably be stiffened a bit to remove some of the body roll.

I thought that Lexus cars tend to hold their value well due to being one of the most reliable cars out there. Many surveys put them close or near to to the top.
#24
Fantastic car!

Had them on hire a few times when been stateside, Hemi most fun, Diesel not far behind (UK test drive) but forget the 3.5 though, it's not great.

The build quality let's em down slightly, fit & finish is not what us Euro's have come to expect although saying that the one we had on test here was very plush & seemed better screwed together.

For the record, these car's ain't cheap yet! Chrysler were limiting the supply (2000 initially) to keep resale values high. I was looking around for a second hand right hooker and there's nothing decent to be had for under £18,000 and that's for near two year old one's!

I'll have to make do with my Pug for a while longer.
#25
Interesting discussion all - I think I would like the estate version as long as my kart fits in the back and I can get a boot liner for it. Think I might go and test drive one.
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#28
I had one of these on holiday in America and I loved it. Not sure of the engine size, but it drank fuel. I'd imagine that there would be no comparison in the cars between engines here and there.

Fantastic looking car, does noone else think it looks like the new bentley.
#29
Exactly there was one down at St Mawes the week we were there for a holiday and we assumed at first it was a Bentley.

Item number: 110184689409 btw
#31
The new crysler BLS = Built Like S**T

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