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I'm sure this has probably been asked somewhere before but could anybody offer any advice on whether I'd be better off looking at getting an AMD A8/10 set up without a dedicated graphics card, and rel…
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2m, 2w agoPosted 2 months, 2 weeks ago
I'm sure this has probably been asked somewhere before but could anybody offer any advice on whether I'd be better off looking at getting an AMD A8/10 set up without a dedicated graphics card, and rely on the APU or go for either a refurb or older intel i3/5 processor with something like a gtx 750 ti 2gb card?

Looking to get something for my daughter, nothing too expensive (<£500) as basically she wants to having something to play Europa Universalis 4, which as an older game should be fine and I'm guessing Minecraft will follow...

Thing is, she might never really become a "gamer" using it as such, so we don't want to go way overboard, but what I guess I'm really wondering is if she did decide she wanted to play more graphics heavy games at some point, if we went with say the AMP A10 7850k, is a lot of the power of an APU processor wasted if we added a graphics card down the line?

Any advice / thoughts on which option to go with would be much appreciated. Thanks.
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2m, 2w agoPosted 2 months, 2 weeks ago
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You really need to go into specifics of which models you're considering. A 4460 is quite a different proposition from a 750 despite both carrying the i5 branding.

The latest version of EU is only three years old. It's not that graphically heavy, but does require a little poke. I know it struggles to run on the integrated graphics of an i3-2120 (at 1920x1200), but the newer integrated graphics should be sufficient.

You're always going to get more for your money by buying second hand.

I'd normally say forget the 7850k but in this case you want as much CPU power as possible but with adequate graphics so it does fit fairly well. Although the price is still fairly high, and you may find an i3-6100 system comes out the same in practice.

The A10-7850k is slightly faster (10-50%) than the HD 530 in the i3-6100 graphics-wise, but the i3-6100 is a faster CPU, so it's also better if you do add a graphics card in future.

FootOfDavros
if we went with say the AMP A10 7850k, is a lot of the power of an APU processor wasted if we added a graphics card down the line?
Any advice / thoughts on which option to go with would be much appreciated. Thanks.

The 860k is the A10-7850k with the graphics disabled.

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#1
Go with second hand i3 or i5. To be safe I would get a 3rd Gen or newer i5. Have a look at newer nvidia card, the 750ti probably has a newer more efficient replacement now.
#2
I think a decent APU should be ok, make sure you get fast ram 2400 mhz and an A10 will fly... if in the future more gfx is required stick a dedicated gfx card and all will be fine...
#3
Intel every time.
#4
You really need to go into specifics of which models you're considering. A 4460 is quite a different proposition from a 750 despite both carrying the i5 branding.

The latest version of EU is only three years old. It's not that graphically heavy, but does require a little poke. I know it struggles to run on the integrated graphics of an i3-2120 (at 1920x1200), but the newer integrated graphics should be sufficient.

You're always going to get more for your money by buying second hand.

I'd normally say forget the 7850k but in this case you want as much CPU power as possible but with adequate graphics so it does fit fairly well. Although the price is still fairly high, and you may find an i3-6100 system comes out the same in practice.

The A10-7850k is slightly faster (10-50%) than the HD 530 in the i3-6100 graphics-wise, but the i3-6100 is a faster CPU, so it's also better if you do add a graphics card in future.

FootOfDavros
if we went with say the AMP A10 7850k, is a lot of the power of an APU processor wasted if we added a graphics card down the line?
Any advice / thoughts on which option to go with would be much appreciated. Thanks.

The 860k is the A10-7850k with the graphics disabled.
#5
If you want to go down the Intel route, but save some of the cost, buy a decent board and then look on AliExpress for a 2nd hand cpu. They usually have tonnes of chips pulled from old ex lease PCs/servers, so you know it wont have been abused/overclocked.

A quad core Q class server chip for my daughter s PC has cost me £13, a similar spec AMD chip for my system would have cost me over £100.
#6
Thanks folks for your replies.
EndlessWaves
The 860k is the A10-7850k with the graphics disabled.
This gives me some food for thought - i've seen a set up on amazon ~ £430 which actually combined this the graphics card I mentioned previously (the gtx 750 ti 2gb). I ran a comparison of that vs the a10 7850k on its own through game-debate.com which seems to rate the cpus the same (which as per your comments you'd expect) but did rate the dedicated card much higher (7/10 v 4/10). I appreciate the graphics card will be nowhere compared the top of the range, plus I've no idea the accuracy of that site's ratings, but as a guide that does seem to be another option I hadn't considered so thanks for that heads up - maybe gives a decent cpu with slightly better graphics right now, but which could also be upgraded down the line.
#7
The main issue with the A10-7850k is that it's not significantly faster CPU-wise than the £65 options like the A8-7600 and G4500 so you're paying an extra £25-30 for slightly faster integrated graphics.

The newer A8-9600/A10-9700/A12-9800 a better choice but are currently only available to system manufacturers and difficult to find in a computer right now.

I would say the top CPU choices if you're buying new for integrated graphics with an option on a dedicated card are an A8-7600 or an i3-6100.

The A8-7600 offers almost as good CPU performance as the G4400 but substantially better graphics for only £15 more, while the i3-6100 offers a big jump over the APU/Pentiums in CPU power while not sacrificing much in graphical power.

There are some benchmarks here comparing various low end GPU options up to the level of a 360/750:
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/940-7/hd-graphics-530-pratique-jeux.html
(bear in mind that the cards there are the GDDR5 versions, the cheaper DDR3 versions tend to be substantially slower).

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