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Did not receive parking ticket or notice to owner, now big fine

ediblebob Avatar
2y, 11m agoPosted 2 years, 11 months ago
I have received notice from Bradford City council today that I owe them £105 for parking on the road outside my student halls on Sunday in October. I did not receive a parking ticket on my car, nor did I receive the notice to owner they say they sent in November.
Where do I stand on this?
I cannot find details to contact them so will have to wait until i go back to Bradford to go in a talk to them. What is the minimum i can pay, as if I had received it on my car I would have paid within 14 days so to only pay £35.

Someone help please
ediblebob Avatar
2y, 11m agoPosted 2 years, 11 months ago
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I think your landlord's point is that the yellow lines are in such poor condition that they are likely unenforceable in court, should you choose to challenge a ticket.
There is a useful page on the procedures around PCNs here.
IMO, if you are happy to pay the original ticket, I would write to the council stating the neither ticket nor notice to owner were received but that you are happy to pay the original fine providing they can provide evidence the ticket was served on the vehicle. Send it RM Signed For.
There are more specialist PCN focused forums that may offer better advice.

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#1
Possible scam?
#2
There has to be a phone number somewhere, just talk to them and see what they say, they will still make you pay it though but it may get reduced back to the £35 if your lucky.
#3
I'd ask them for a photo of the ticket on your car, most traffic wardens take a picture these days. Ask to see it to check if this is genuine.
#4
blutack70
Possible scam?
4adeadpoet
There has to be a phone number somewhere, just talk to them and see what they say, they will still make you pay it though but it may get reduced back to the £35 if your lucky.
The number provided is only to make payments, but is the same as the one on the Bradford website.


roof30
I'd ask them for a photo of the ticket on your car, most traffic wardens take a picture these days. Ask to see it to check if this is genuine.
I cannot find an actual number to ask about parking tickets, they all seem to indicate that the only way to contest is to have written in within the first month.
#5
On the Bradford City council website the penalty is either £70 or £50 depending on the seriousness of the offence reduced to £35 or £25 for prompt payment within 14 days of the penalty notice. Yes you have to either submit an online application to contest the notice or alternatively write a separate letter. Councils just do not have the provisions to handle phone calls to contest notices or talk to the general public at their counters. Unless you can prove that the postal notice was not received by you, ie other mail also not received like bank statements etc and that you notified the postal authorities at the time then as an ex magistrate myself the magistrate (if it goes to court) would agree with the council that notice was served to you. The crux of this problem is the original penalty notice that should have been put on the car. Yes, you can ask for photographic evidence, if the council has it, but the tone of your posting seems to imply that you may be guilty of the offence and that you just want to pay the minimum fine. Can you just confirm this or are you wanting help on how to dispute the notice itself?
#6
Unless you can prove that the postal notice was not received by you, ie other mail also not received like bank statements etc and that you notified the postal authorities at the time then as an ex magistrate myself the magistrate (if it goes to court) would agree with the council that notice was served to you.

Which is impossible to prove if not sent tracked, (which Councils never do) and is a Council favourite loop hole that Magistrates ignore and never contest, why is that?
#7
Toptrumpet
On the Bradford City council website the penalty is either £70 or £50 depending on the seriousness of the offence reduced to £35 or £25 for prompt payment within 14 days of the penalty notice. Yes you have to either submit an online application to contest the notice or alternatively write a separate letter. Councils just do not have the provisions to handle phone calls to contest notices or talk to the general public at their counters. Unless you can prove that the postal notice was not received by you, ie other mail also not received like bank statements etc and that you notified the postal authorities at the time then as an ex magistrate myself the magistrate (if it goes to court) would agree with the council that notice was served to you. The crux of this problem is the original penalty notice that should have been put on the car. Yes, you can ask for photographic evidence, if the council has it, but the tone of your posting seems to imply that you may be guilty of the offence and that you just want to pay the minimum fine. Can you just confirm this or are you wanting help on how to dispute the notice itself?

Thank you for your reply!

The only reason I was parked on these double yellow lines was because I was told by my Landlord that there wouldn't be a problem because the lines are so badly broken along the road. There are big gaps in the painting so I stupidly assumed they were right.
I am also annoyed because a week after this I was parked there moving my belongings into the house and I had a ticket which I paid promptly. Since then I have not parked there again.
If I had received this ticket on my car, then I would not have parked there again, so because this wasn't on my car I will have to pay two fines.

I know I was in the wrong to park there, so I know I have to pay, but I would like the pay the minimum of £35.
I'm not sure if it was a postal notice in November. It says that on 25/11/13 a Notice to Owner was served to you as the person appearing to be the owner or hirer of the vehicle above in respect of the following parking contravention.
If it was a postal notice, I have no way of proving if I received it or not. I also cannot prove that I didn't receive a ticket on my car - my fear is that someone took it off.

What is the best way to contact them? I will be back in Bradford on Monday evening, so I could go into the offices on Tuesday to talk to them.

Below is a photo of the road in question. it is a dead end street, with everyone parking there on the weekend to visit the buffet there.
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s219/ediblebob/WP_002418_zpsda9ac12d.jpg
#8
Send freedom of information request to DVLA to see if the council have actually contacted them about your vehicle, also http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/parking-ticket-appeals
#10
Councils have more power over tickets than normal parking companies. I would get proof and pay ASAP. Those charges are probably for non payment. I would pay up now, complain later. All those bailiff programmes are about non paid parking tickets. If they are in the wrong they should refund you pretty quickly.
#11
Demand proof that can be used in court to prove their claim....if they can't provide it tell them to get stuffed and you'll see them in court if they wish to pursue it...which they won't if they can't provide you with proof.
#12
I think your landlord's point is that the yellow lines are in such poor condition that they are likely unenforceable in court, should you choose to challenge a ticket.
There is a useful page on the procedures around PCNs here.
IMO, if you are happy to pay the original ticket, I would write to the council stating the neither ticket nor notice to owner were received but that you are happy to pay the original fine providing they can provide evidence the ticket was served on the vehicle. Send it RM Signed For.
There are more specialist PCN focused forums that may offer better advice.
#13
tonyh78
Send freedom of information request to DVLA to see if the council have actually contacted them about your vehicle, also http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/parking-ticket-appeals
st8mike
Demand proof that can be used in court to prove their claim....if they can't provide it tell them to get stuffed and you'll see them in court if they wish to pursue it...which they won't if they can't provide you with proof.
Ar460rn
I think your landlord's point is that the yellow lines are in such poor condition that they are likely unenforceable in court, should you choose to challenge a ticket.
There is a useful page on the procedures around PCNs here.
IMO, if you are happy to pay the original ticket, I would write to the council stating the neither ticket nor notice to owner were received but that you are happy to pay the original fine providing they can provide evidence the ticket was served on the vehicle. Send it RM Signed For.
There are more specialist PCN focused forums that may offer better advice.

Thank you all very much for your help, I really appreciate it!

I will be writing to that address provided and stating that I would be happy to pay the original fine as I would have done if I had received a ticket or notice. Then to send proof and their response before I pay.

Thank you again!
#14
This happened to me. Got photo which showed ticket tucked under wiper, not stuck on. Went to arbitration, got let off.
#15
termite
This happened to me. Got photo which showed ticket tucked under wiper, not stuck on. Went to arbitration, got let off.
What is arbitration? and was it let off based upon the ticket not being attached properly, or were there other factors?
#16
Your photo clearly shows that double yellow lines are painted either side of the road and despite the road markings being in bad condition unless there is a displayed sign stating any time exemptions from which the yellow lines are not in force then any court will expect any motorist with a valid licence to be competent enough to understand road parking restrictions. Having already paid the second penalty notice you have in theory admitted your guilt to the first penalty notice and again if this were brought up by the council in a court it would not look favourable on you.
I suggest writing to Bradford City council Parking Enforcement Officer, explain that you definitely did not receive any Parking notice left on your Vehicle or any subsequent follow up letter (as you had moved etc) and that without admitting liability and to expedite a quick end to this matter that you are willing to pay the reduced fine of £25 and enclose a cheque to that value. That way they are certain to look into the matter as they have a cheque to clear or return to you. If they do return your cheque to you then you have the decision of paying in full or going to battle in court.
#17
Toptrumpet
Your photo clearly shows that double yellow lines are painted either side of the road and despite the road markings being in bad condition unless there is a displayed sign stating any time exemptions from which the yellow lines are not in force then any court will expect any motorist with a valid licence to be competent enough to understand road parking restrictions. Having already paid the second penalty notice you have in theory admitted your guilt to the first penalty notice and again if this were brought up by the council in a court it would not look favourable on you.
I suggest writing to Bradford City council Parking Enforcement Officer, explain that you definitely did not receive any Parking notice left on your Vehicle or any subsequent follow up letter (as you had moved etc) and that without admitting liability and to expedite a quick end to this matter that you are willing to pay the reduced fine of £25 and enclose a cheque to that value. That way they are certain to look into the matter as they have a cheque to clear or return to you. If they do return your cheque to you then you have the decision of paying in full or going to battle in court.

Thank you for your response. This helps a lot!
I did attempt to fight the second one on the grounds that the yellow lines are not maintained (where I parked was the worst park, and there weren't any lines actually left under my car). However I gave in and decided it was easier just to pay.
I am going to write in and enclose that cheque, and hopefully be done with it! Very expensive parking in Bradford!! I usually park about 5 minutes away on a main road (which is free and fine) but it has been broken into once, so try to keep an eye on it when I can. I didn't realise they would ticket me on the weekends as it is a tiny dead end road.
#18
In life I've learnt that sometimes to put a quick bad decision down to a life learning experience and that just to pay up and move on is sometimes better than to wrangle with that decision and spend time and energy on something that I'm never going to win is better to pay in money terms rather than in aggravation of life terms.
It's annoying I know, but the only certainty in life is death, disappointment and parking fines.
#19
Toptrumpet
In life I've learnt that sometimes to put a quick bad decision down to a life learning experience and that just to pay up and move on is sometimes better than to wrangle with that decision and spend time and energy on something that I'm never going to win is better to pay in money terms rather than in aggravation of life terms.
It's annoying I know, but the only certainty in life is death, disappointment and parking fines.

Fantastic!

and Tax! Definitely Tax

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