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2y, 4m agoPosted 2 years, 4 months ago
esa medicals, I am a disabled lady I have to every so often go for a medical for my esa benefit with atos medical group, always feel stitched up nurse examins you on a couch , it nearly kills me getting on it , then she makes me bend my injured legs, she can see I an in pain , then she types her notes up which you see weeks later making out I was a cross between a greyhound and a marathon runner , this time it says you can ask for it to be taped this is new to me anyone had theres taped
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banned#1
I 'advised' a family member who is also now disabled to have her 'medical' recorded about 2 years ago as I heard it was possible. Atos tried everything to get out of it and cancelled 2 appointments and even the day of the 'medical' (I went with her) tried to wriggle out of it saying the machine was broken and they couldn't re appoint another time and she would have to have it without...I argued and eventually the recording machine started working.

The 'medical' itself was a joke, normally taking about 30 minutes this took 2.5 hours yes 150 minutes and at the end she was given a copy on a cd. The outcome for her did not change as expected and now she does not need any further 'medicals' for the time being anyway.

I would advise to have it recorded if you can handle the extra time as at least you may have some recourse if the result is not what you expect and wish to challenge the decision.

Atos are absolute vultures and treat disabled people terribly while taking vast amounts of money from the coffers. Do you know that some nurses and physiotherapists can earn upto £900 per day yes per day doing these 'medicals' (depending on the outcome) that is £4500 per week. Now I know we have to get the dss budget down as it is out of control but targeting the most vulnerable and incentivising the 'quality' of the reports is disgusting.

Take a look at http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk for some good advice, the information is excellent. Some information is free but it is a subscription site costing about £18 a year I think.

Best of luck and I hope things go well for you.
#2
Yes you can record the interview

You should see a section on the appointment letter that tells you to "wite them to ask that the interview be recorded" - I do know they use their own equipment but what I would advise is if you have a mobile phone - and it has a recording option/application - test it - turn it on to record and put it somewhere so it's hidden but can still pickup the audio - keep testing until you get to know it works without being noticed - then just before you arrive at your appointment start recording and turn your phone to silent ring/no vibrate

You will not be allowed to use this recording as evidence (AFAIK) but when you get the "official recording" you can check it against the one you recorded and only then if there is a difference could you use your recording in a court of law.
#3
konimitsu
I 'advised' a family member who is also now disabled to have her 'medical' recorded about 2 years ago as I heard it was possible. Atos tried everything to get out of it and cancelled 2 appointments and even the day of the 'medical' (I went with her) tried to wriggle out of it saying the machine was broken and they couldn't re appoint another time and she would have to have it without...I argued and eventually the recording machine started working.

The 'medical' itself was a joke, normally taking about 30 minutes this took 2.5 hours yes 150 minutes and at the end she was given a copy on a cd. The outcome for her did not change as expected and now she does not need any further 'medicals' for the time being anyway.

I would advise to have it recorded if you can handle the extra time as at least you may have some recourse if the result is not what you expect and wish to challenge the decision.

Atos are absolute vultures and treat disabled people terribly while taking vast amounts of money from the coffers. Do you know that some nurses and physiotherapists can earn upto £900 per day yes per day doing these 'medicals' (depending on the outcome) that is £4500 per week. Now I know we have to get the dss budget down as it is out of control but targeting the most vulnerable and incentivising the 'quality' of the reports is disgusting.

Take a look at http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk for some good advice, the information is excellent. Some information is free but it is a subscription site costing about £18 a year I think.

Best of luck and I hope things go well for you.

ATOS is a private company which won a contract based on results and nothing else. Their task was to "quantify" the illness/disability and make "recommendations" to the DWP regarding the outcome of the interviews. Basically if you can lift 1 arm and use that hand you are fit for work and that's the report that will go back to the DWP. Sadly most but not all ATOS staff/employees are not fully medically qualified or are only specialised in one area.

It gets me how a private company and it's employees can overwrite the decision on a qualified medical practitioner/doctor - yes there are several thousand fraudulent claims of disability benefits just as there are thousands of man hours lost by the one's who are always sick just before the bank holiday or same week every year (there used to be a nick name for these but have forgotten it). But employing a private company with unqualified/non specialist staff is not the right way.
#4
You can record the 'Medical' with your own equipment in your own home, you only have to inform them and they can't refuse.

If you are too ill to go to a 'Medical' then insist you have a Home Visit, all you need is a Letter from your GP saying why you cannot attend their 'Offices' and they will either accomodate you or cancel the 'Medical'.

If you do have a Home Visit, ask that the person interviewing you has the relevant qualifications/experience in assessing your particular condition and make sure you record whatever they say even before your 'Medical' starts.

If you do attend a 'Medical' then be aware, you are being watched all the time and why do you think their 'Offices' are always hard to get to, it's deliberate, they make you wait on purpose, if you get uncomfortable then just say so and leave on Medical Grounds and make sure you see/check the person interviewing you is indeed who they say they are, in the past we have heard they've used receptionists....our GP is married to someone who works for ATOS and even our GP hates them....
#5
philphil61


It gets me how a private company and it's employees can overwrite the decision on a qualified medical practitioner/doctor - yes there are several thousand fraudulent claims of disability benefits just as there are thousands of man hours lost by the one's who are always sick just before the bank holiday or same week every year (there used to be a nick name for these but have forgotten it). But employing a private company with unqualified/non specialist staff is not the right way.

They can't, just ask any Consultant or GP what they would say if ATOS said they are wrong, the **** would hit the fan, as has happened with someone we know, what you don't hear about is the thousands of appeals which are won after an ATOS wrong decision.
banned#6
philphil61
konimitsu
I 'advised' a family member who is also now disabled to have her 'medical' recorded about 2 years ago as I heard it was possible. Atos tried everything to get out of it and cancelled 2 appointments and even the day of the 'medical' (I went with her) tried to wriggle out of it saying the machine was broken and they couldn't re appoint another time and she would have to have it without...I argued and eventually the recording machine started working.

The 'medical' itself was a joke, normally taking about 30 minutes this took 2.5 hours yes 150 minutes and at the end she was given a copy on a cd. The outcome for her did not change as expected and now she does not need any further 'medicals' for the time being anyway.

I would advise to have it recorded if you can handle the extra time as at least you may have some recourse if the result is not what you expect and wish to challenge the decision.

Atos are absolute vultures and treat disabled people terribly while taking vast amounts of money from the coffers. Do you know that some nurses and physiotherapists can earn upto £900 per day yes per day doing these 'medicals' (depending on the outcome) that is £4500 per week. Now I know we have to get the dss budget down as it is out of control but targeting the most vulnerable and incentivising the 'quality' of the reports is disgusting.

Take a look at http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk for some good advice, the information is excellent. Some information is free but it is a subscription site costing about £18 a year I think.

Best of luck and I hope things go well for you.

ATOS is a private company which won a contract based on results and nothing else. Their task was to "quantify" the illness/disability and make "recommendations" to the DWP regarding the outcome of the interviews. Basically if you can lift 1 arm and use that hand you are fit for work and that's the report that will go back to the DWP. Sadly most but not all ATOS staff/employees are not fully medically qualified or are only specialised in one area.

It gets me how a private company and it's employees can overwrite the decision on a qualified medical practitioner/doctor - yes there are several thousand fraudulent claims of disability benefits just as there are thousands of man hours lost by the one's who are always sick just before the bank holiday or same week every year (there used to be a nick name for these but have forgotten it). But employing a private company with unqualified/non specialist staff is not the right way.

Certainly correct about if you can lift one arm you are fit for work. I am a medical professional myself but work for myself (self employed) and about 4 years ago I needed to have surgery and would be off work ill for approx 4 months. As is my right and the fact nobody pays me when I am off I claimed for 'sick pay' not sure if it was ESA then or not Anyway after about 6 weeks I was invited for a medical, not sure what it was for but went along and it was one of these fitness to work medicals, I was found fit for work and immediately my benefit stopped (it was a pittance that made little difference anyway but not the point), when I went to the job center to query it I was told I should train for a another career or get a different type of job to what I do.....I had a letter from my consultant stating I should be off work for a further 8 weeks for recovery. They ignored it and continued to banter on about getting a different job, I have a job I told them that I have done for years, professionally qualified and will continue with it in 8 weeks time....NO you are fit to do another job so you can't have any more benefit.

25 years continuous work paying tax and insurance every month and I couldn't get 8 weeks sickness benefit after surgery, god only knows how people claim for years and years and get away with it (I am not pointing that people who genuinely need it by the way). There must be a better way than the system they use now, the vast amounts of money ATOS and other private companies receive is scandalous and not even a british company.
#7
konimitsu
philphil61
konimitsu
I 'advised' a family member who is also now disabled to have her 'medical' recorded about 2 years ago as I heard it was possible. Atos tried everything to get out of it and cancelled 2 appointments and even the day of the 'medical' (I went with her) tried to wriggle out of it saying the machine was broken and they couldn't re appoint another time and she would have to have it without...I argued and eventually the recording machine started working.

The 'medical' itself was a joke, normally taking about 30 minutes this took 2.5 hours yes 150 minutes and at the end she was given a copy on a cd. The outcome for her did not change as expected and now she does not need any further 'medicals' for the time being anyway.

I would advise to have it recorded if you can handle the extra time as at least you may have some recourse if the result is not what you expect and wish to challenge the decision.

Atos are absolute vultures and treat disabled people terribly while taking vast amounts of money from the coffers. Do you know that some nurses and physiotherapists can earn upto £900 per day yes per day doing these 'medicals' (depending on the outcome) that is £4500 per week. Now I know we have to get the dss budget down as it is out of control but targeting the most vulnerable and incentivising the 'quality' of the reports is disgusting.

Take a look at http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk for some good advice, the information is excellent. Some information is free but it is a subscription site costing about £18 a year I think.

Best of luck and I hope things go well for you.

ATOS is a private company which won a contract based on results and nothing else. Their task was to "quantify" the illness/disability and make "recommendations" to the DWP regarding the outcome of the interviews. Basically if you can lift 1 arm and use that hand you are fit for work and that's the report that will go back to the DWP. Sadly most but not all ATOS staff/employees are not fully medically qualified or are only specialised in one area.

It gets me how a private company and it's employees can overwrite the decision on a qualified medical practitioner/doctor - yes there are several thousand fraudulent claims of disability benefits just as there are thousands of man hours lost by the one's who are always sick just before the bank holiday or same week every year (there used to be a nick name for these but have forgotten it). But employing a private company with unqualified/non specialist staff is not the right way.

Certainly correct about if you can lift one arm you are fit for work. I am a medical professional myself but work for myself (self employed) and about 4 years ago I needed to have surgery and would be off work ill for approx 4 months. As is my right and the fact nobody pays me when I am off I claimed for 'sick pay' not sure if it was ESA then or not Anyway after about 6 weeks I was invited for a medical, not sure what it was for but went along and it was one of these fitness to work medicals, I was found fit for work and immediately my benefit stopped (it was a pittance that made little difference anyway but not the point), when I went to the job center to query it I was told I should train for a another career or get a different type of job to what I do.....I had a letter from my consultant stating I should be off work for a further 8 weeks for recovery. They ignored it and continued to banter on about getting a different job, I have a job I told them that I have done for years, professionally qualified and will continue with it in 8 weeks time....NO you are fit to do another job so you can't have any more benefit.

25 years continuous work paying tax and insurance every month and I couldn't get 8 weeks sickness benefit after surgery, god only knows how people claim for years and years and get away with it (I am not pointing that people who genuinely need it by the way). There must be a better way than the system they use now, the vast amounts of money ATOS and other private companies receive is scandalous and not even a british company.

It's a cruel world - all we ever hear about is many innocent victims have been penalised by the actions of the DWP & ATOS but we never see figures of how many fake claimants have been found.

I got lucky - had fast AF diagnosed last Oct after several months I got the ATOS appointment (for a Saturday) but about 2 weeks before the appointment I got my appointment for cardio version on the Thursday prior to ATOS appointment. I notified them that I might not be fit/recovered enough to make the appointment and they said "let us know on this number". On the Saturday morning I still didn't feel good so I called the number... no answer so I emailed them. Four days later I got notification from DWP that I failed to attend the appointment and my ESA would be stopped. I completed the official form explaining how I had previously explained about my cardio version and was given a number to call and it wasn't my fault that ATOS gave me a number that is not "monitored" on a Saturday! pffft

Luckily I didn't lose my ESA but wtf ATOS was blaming me for failing to attend
banned#8
Glad it worked out for you phil, I work with many disabled people in my work and hear some awful stories of how they have been treated, it is as if it is a crime nowadays to be ill or disabled.
#9
There is no question that you can go in there with a really serious disability and they make out you are as fit as a flea - my brother has scoliosis in his back that would make Richard III look like a ballet dancer, yet the guy doing the medical wrote down "normal curvature of the spine". It worked in his favour in the end as there was no way a sensible human being could have come to that conclusion.
#10
Butterbean
There is no question that you can go in there with a really serious disability and they make out you are as fit as a flea - my brother has scoliosis in his back that would make Richard III look like a ballet dancer, yet the guy doing the medical wrote down "normal curvature of the spine". It worked in his favour in the end as there was no way a sensible human being could have come to that conclusion.

Glad to hear it, by the way you have a wonderful way with words, which made me chuckle.
ATOS used to do my civil service medical, they tried to 'correct' a diagnosis from my specialist at the time. He was understandably furious that, and I quote, ' some jumped up little pea brain, with a CSE in home economics thinks she can question a judgement based on twenty five years of medical training and specialisms....mrs .... Please get me the head of ..... I need to have a word, ' I have of course edited out the swearing....they have clearly not improved.
#11
ATOS are being given the boot, but of course, they will be replaced by more of the same.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26766345
banned#12
Inactive
ATOS are being given the boot, but of course, they will be replaced by more of the same.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26766345

It is ridiculous that they are being 'given the boot' with 'not a penny of compensation' for obvious failure in the way they carry out their work but they still carry on with the PIP contract and it's separate contract in Northern Ireland. Surely if they are incompetent and can't the basic fitness to work assessment right in England, Scotland & Wales how can they get it right in Northern Ireland and continue a more rigorous progam with the PIP assessments....crazy....
#13
I can confirm that atos are indeed still doing esa medicals, so ive no idea whats going on as that bbc artical says they have stopped but they are running the show even worse than ever. A family member turned up for one last week and was told there would be a 2 hour wait because they are understaffed. They also claimed they called but when it was checked they had no messages.

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