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Hi everyone. I hope someone can help me. It's time I get a new pc, a gaming one possible. I don't have problem in build it myself but it's been a while since I built one and it seems my knowledge abo… Read More
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7y, 9m agoPosted 7 years, 9 months ago
Hi everyone. I hope someone can help me. It's time I get a new pc, a gaming one possible. I don't have problem in build it myself but it's been a while since I built one and it seems my knowledge about pc components it's not as good as it was. Someone can suggest me some configuration and where to buy everything? I would like to spend about £600-£700.
I wouldn't mind buy a laptop but to convince me it should have really good specs to use it to play games.
Thanks to everyone who will help.
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7y, 9m agoPosted 7 years, 9 months ago
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#1
Do NOT buy a laptop for gaming - even if it's a good price it'll still have all the problems laptops have, mainly overheating/cooling issues.

I'd advise waiting for the core i5 processors to come out (not sure when that is but you can google it, I think it'll be within a month or two). Most importantly we're on the verge of another round of graphics cards, this will undoubtedly push some of the existing cards down a little in price. Current good value cards are the geforece GTX 275 and the radeon 4870.

The graphics card is definitely key if you're looking to game on it, so don't expect to spend less than £100 on that if you want something that has a year or two's 'futureproofing' in. If you're looking to play at full graphics settings in high end games (crysis in mind here), then you'll need to fork out a lot, but it's not necessarily worth it in my opinion.

There have been a fair few deals on the forums related to graphics cards, so check those out too.
#2
Thanks for your help redders6600. About the laptop, even because a bad experience 2 years ago, I agree with you, I would change idea a the end only if i would find a really really great deal. Apparently the i5 should come out in september so quite soon and, if the price is good, this could solve the biggest problem I was having for this pc "the choice of the CPU", I was completely lost between dual core, quad core and all the rest. In case don't want to wait for the i5, is there something you would suggest?

For the graphic card even I'm not interested to "crysis at full settings" level but i don't want to buy a card that I will have to change "really" soon. Considering some offer i saw recently I was even thinking to a 4970 if the price is not much more than a 4870.
#3
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#4
Thanks Computerman, I saw that deal but I have 2 problem with that pc
1 I don't have a clue if the specs are what I should look for in a gaming pc cause as I said before my knowledge in this field became really limited. For example is it the CPU good?
2 I'm concerned that in a pre assembled pc to not void the warranty I won't be able to change anything inside, like for example the graphics card.
Then considering my budget could stretch to around £700, could I get something significantly better with £200 more or not?
Thanks for your help.
#5
Woodstock10
Thanks Computerman, I saw that deal but I have 2 problem with that pc
1 I don't have a clue if the specs are what I should look for in a gaming pc cause as I said before my knowledge in this field became really limited. For example is it the CPU good?
2 I'm concerned that in a pre assembled pc to not void the warranty I won't be able to change anything inside, like for example the graphics card.
Then considering my budget could stretch to around £700, could I get something significantly better with £200 more or not?
Thanks for your help.


its a good mid range gaming pc, the intel Q8200 cpu is good but not the fastest, the ati 4850 graphics card is also very good but again not the fastest . As for concerns about voiding warrranty, change the components after 1 year. But if you really want to build a pc go ahead, its fun, you can overclock it and you learn alot.
here are some suggestions
graphics http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/465974/palit-geforce-gtx260-sonic-sli-896m/
psu http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/451009/ocz-stealth-xstream-600w-psu-sli-re/http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/446962/a-kick-ass-psu-coolermaster-900w-uc/
motherboard http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/464472/msi-p45-zilent-lga775-p45-motherboa/
hd http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/463146/hitachi-1tb-internal-sata-harddisk-/
cpu http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/465081/intel-core-2-quad-q8200-4-x-2-33ghz/
case http://www.ebuyer.com/product/140996
ram http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/455914/crucial-4gb-2x2gb-ddr2-800mhz-pc2-6/
monitor http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/463639/samsung-t220-22-dvi-monitor-3-yrs-w/
windows xp/ windows7/ vista 64bit
The zalman cpu cooler comes with the msi motherboard.
#6
Well guessing as you were looking at a laptop your £700ish should included a monitor.
This is a little over budget (you could shop around to get it cheaper) but you spend a little now to save a bit in the future. When funds allow or if you need more GPU power just chuck in another 4890 xxx and off you go. 2 hard disks for RAID.
Also if your wanting to use it with a tv to watch HD movies then you can boot the system and disable the 4890 and use the onboard GPU and it will be nice and quiet.
You may also want to look at changing the CPU cooler if you decide to overclock the processor.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff26/GAVINLEWISHUKD/compspec1-1.jpg
#7
GAVINLEWISHUKD
Well guessing as you were looking at a laptop your £700ish should included a monitor.
This is a little over budget (you could shop around to get it cheaper) but you spend a little now to save a bit in the future. When funds allow or if you need more GPU power just chuck in another 4890 xxx and off you go. 2 hard disks for RAID.
Also if your wanting to use it with a tv to watch HD movies then you can boot the system and disable the 4890 and use the onboard GPU and it will be nice and quiet.
You may also want to look at changing the CPU cooler if you decide to overclock the processor.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff26/GAVINLEWISHUKD/compspec1-1.jpg

Hi power psu? id invest in something better. i reckon a 4870 and gtx 260 are fast enough for most gamers. perhaps ddr2 ram instead of ddr3 ram to lower the price even more. A 22" screen is sufficient enough for most gamers the monitor i suggested is the samsung t220 which costs £129. Not so sure about sunbeam case, the antec 300 i think is a much better case http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143854
#8
Computerman
Hi power psu? id invest in something better. i reckon a 4870 and gtx 260 are fast enough for most gamers. perhaps ddr2 ram instead of ddr3 ram to lower the price even more. A 22" screen is sufficient enough for most gamers the monitor i suggested is the samsung t220 which costs £129. Not so sure about sunbeam case, the antec 300 i think is a much better case http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143854


Well yes if he wants a £500 machine then its fine but he wanted a £700 machine with scope for upgrade. Yes the PSU is not a big brand name but I find it great. 4 x 12v rails at 20A each. But he can afford a 4890 then he has scope to add another one. But as you say a 4870 is fine for most. 24" for gaming is a nicer size IMO. Yes the sunbeam case doesn't look flash, but its well built keeps my system cool and is quiet which is what matters to me when choosing a case. But each to there own.:)
#9
Hi everyone, thanks a lot for your help and suggestions, I'm looking at them right now. Anyway I'm sorry I should have told this at the beginning I already have a really good 22" Samsung LCD so the money are all for the machine. Any change to what you have suggested at this point?
#10
I have done some research and I'm interested in the configuration suggested by GAVINLEWISHUKD. I even found out a way to unlock the cpu to get a quad core but considering I don't need a screen, I could avoid to buy a HDD and a DVD writer and I could eventually streched to £750 (obviously the cheaper the better and happier my other half) someone could suggest directly a quad core cpu with relative mobo?
#11
Woodstock10
I have done some research and I'm interested in the configuration suggested by GAVINLEWISHUKD. I even found out a way to unlock the cpu to get a quad core but considering I don't need a screen, I could avoid to buy a HDD and a DVD writer and I could eventually streched to £750 (obviously the cheaper the better and happier my other half) someone could suggest directly a quad core cpu with relative mobo?


reviewers advise not to buy the cpu to unlock the core, amd has disabled those cores for a reason. if you want a stable pc i suggest you buy a qaud core cpu like amd x2 955 or 965, they only recommend unlocking the disabled cores it if you have the hardware already.
#12
This is what I'm planning to get but obviously I'm open to any suggestion.

-XFX HD 4890 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDTV Out PCI-E Graphics Card
-AMD Phenom X4 965 3.4GHz Socket AM3 8MB L3 Cache Black edition Retail Box Processor
-ASUS M4A78T-E 790GX Socket AM3 onboard VGA DVI HDMI 8 channel audio ATX Motherboard
-Kingston 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1600MHz/PC3-12800 HyperX Memory Kit CL9(9-9-9-27)
-Sunbeam Black Silent Storm Mid Tower Case With Unique Core-Fan Design - No PSU
-Hi-Power Black 800W 14cm Blue LED Fan PSU - 20+4pin 4x SATA 4x PCI-E

All of this for £591.28 from Ebuyer.

Do I need different heatsink and fan from the one that come with the cpu or I trust that one?
#13
Woodstock10
This is what I'm planning to get but obviously I'm open to any suggestion.

-XFX HD 4890 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDTV Out PCI-E Graphics Card
-AMD Phenom X4 965 3.4GHz Socket AM3 8MB L3 Cache Black edition Retail Box Processor
-ASUS M4A78T-E 790GX Socket AM3 onboard VGA DVI HDMI 8 channel audio ATX Motherboard
-Kingston 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1600MHz/PC3-12800 HyperX Memory Kit CL9(9-9-9-27)
-Sunbeam Black Silent Storm Mid Tower Case With Unique Core-Fan Design - No PSU
-Hi-Power Black 800W 14cm Blue LED Fan PSU - 20+4pin 4x SATA 4x PCI-E

All of this for £591.28 from Ebuyer.

Do I need different heatsink and fan from the one that come with the cpu or I trust that one?

the cpu will have a HSF supplied sbut you want to to overlcock or you want something more silent then get something better. Like i said earlier i still think you should buy the antec 300 over the sunbeam case. i recommend this corsair psu over hi power http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135514 the corsair psu are one of the best psu you can buy.
other psu i would consider
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/Components/PowerSupplies/OCZ/OCZ700MXSP-UK.html
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/Components/PowerSupplies/OCZ/OCZ700SXS-UN.html
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/700W-FSP700-80GLN-SATA-PCI-E-83plus-Eff-Green-ATX12v-201-EPS12v-OEM
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/700W-FSP-Sparkle-Epsilon-FX700-GLN-SLi-Xfire-12cm-Fan-ATX20-%2820plus4Pin%29-SATA-PCI-E
#14
Ok so as case i changed and went for the antec 300 and for the psu i went for a Corsair 750W TX PSU so to be safe. I even took a "XIGMATEK HDT S1283 Socket 775 AM2 754 939 940 Heatpipe CPU Cooler" in case i want to try to overclock.
Just need to wait the delivery now.
#15
Woodstock10
Ok so as case i changed and went for the antec 300 and for the psu i went for a Corsair 750W TX PSU so to be safe. I even took a "XIGMATEK HDT S1283 Socket 775 AM2 754 939 940 Heatpipe CPU Cooler" in case i want to try to overclock.
Just need to wait the delivery now.


good choice.
#16
Computerman
good choice.


Thanks :thumbsup: and thanks everyone for the help.
Now the only thing i'm worried is when i will have to install the heatsink to the cpu:thinking:
#17
Woodstock10
Ok so as case i changed and went for the antec 300 and for the psu i went for a Corsair 750W TX PSU so to be safe. I even took a "XIGMATEK HDT S1283 Socket 775 AM2 754 939 940 Heatpipe CPU Cooler" in case i want to try to overclock.
Just need to wait the delivery now.


Well cases are a personal choice but both are much better than the chepo ones. As for the PSU yes you have gone big brand but it's only has one 60A 12v rail. If you decide to put in another 4890 in the future it may struggle thats why I suggested a 4x20A 4 rail PSU to spread the load. As for not choosing hard disks your looking for speed and as your new mobo supports raid thats the way to go. The seagate 7200.12 drives are great and a pair at £75 is great value. As for the cpu it might be a little overkill for games as most only have support for dual core processor, for games you would have probably have better spent it on another GPU.

Either way you still have a nice machine indeed.:thumbsup:
#18
GAVINLEWISHUKD
Well guessing as you were looking at a laptop your £700ish should included a monitor.
This is a little over budget (you could shop around to get it cheaper) but you spend a little now to save a bit in the future. When funds allow or if you need more GPU power just chuck in another 4890 xxx and off you go. 2 hard disks for RAID.
Also if your wanting to use it with a tv to watch HD movies then you can boot the system and disable the 4890 and use the onboard GPU and it will be nice and quiet.
You may also want to look at changing the CPU cooler if you decide to overclock the processor.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff26/GAVINLEWISHUKD/compspec1-1.jpg


What would be the need for him using RAID on his home PC - which i'm sure would only complicate his matters even more, he may as well just buy a 1TB and save £25...
#19
GAVINLEWISHUKD
Well cases are a personal choice but both are much better than the chepo ones. As for the PSU yes you have gone big brand but it's only has one 60A 12v rail. If you decide to put in another 4890 in the future it may struggle thats why I suggested a 4x20A 4 rail PSU to spread the load. As for not choosing hard disks your looking for speed and as your new mobo supports raid thats the way to go. The seagate 7200.12 drives are great and a pair at £75 is great value. As for the cpu it might be a little overkill for games as most only have support for dual core processor, for games you would have probably have better spent it on another GPU.

Either way you still have a nice machine indeed.:thumbsup:


Well, at the end I wanted to played it safe and in future in case I will put another gpu and find problem i will think to change even the psu. About the hard drive I recently bought one and I have 3 external ones so i really couldn't justify another one, not for the moment at least :whistling:. About the cpu, knowing myself I would have found a way even not for gaming to feel the need of a quad core with who know which application and got really annoyed I didn't take one :-D At the end I thougt would have been easy take a definitive cpu now that would last me long and then in future add another GPU than doing the opposite.
#20
Hi, hope someone can help me. I built the pc but I have a big problem, it will boot only with the onboard graphic card, as soon as I add the one I bought it won't boot anymore, I won't even be able to access the bios.
On the manual there is no mention how to disable the onboard one, I believe I found the option to do it in bios but I'm worried that after it will not boot in any way anymore.
Someone has an idea what could I do? I made sure everything is connected properly and I don't want to believe I received a broken card, not yet at least.
Thanks for any help.
#21
Woodstock10
Hi, hope someone can help me. I built the pc but I have a big problem, it will boot only with the onboard graphic card, as soon as I add the one I bought it won't boot anymore, I won't even be able to access the bios.
On the manual there is no mention how to disable the onboard one, I believe I found the option to do it in bios but I'm worried that after it will not boot in any way anymore.
Someone has an idea what could I do? I made sure everything is connected properly and I don't want to believe I received a broken card, not yet at least.
Thanks for any help.


did you connect the pci-e- power connector to the graphics card. usually their should be instructions to disable onboard graphics using jumpers or in bios. can you please explain what happens when it wont boot, are you getting any error messages? Any power? BSOD? constant restart?
#22
yes everything is connected properly. At least is connected properly according to the user guides.
#23
That's what I was looking for but unfortunately there is no mention of it in the guide.
When I install the separet card and it won't boot, the screen act like is not getting any signal, whatever card i connect, there is power and there is no restart.
#24
Woodstock10
That's what I was looking for but unfortunately there is no mention of it in the guide.
When I install the separet card and it won't boot, the screen act like is not getting any signal, whatever card i connect, there is power and there is no restart.


did you install it into the correct pci express slot.? it slots into the blue one.
#25
yes the slot is correct,the blue one.
Anyway thanks for helping me, sorry if I didn't tell you before.
#26
test the graphics card on a different pc. Might also be the PSu not supplying enough watts. Sorry im not 100% certain what the cause is.
#27
the problem is I have a notebook and recently moved home so no one to ask... :-(
The fan on the card is working. However don't worry, thank you anyway
#28
Woodstock10
the problem is I have a notebook and recently moved home so no one to ask... :-(
The fan on the card is working. However don't worry, thank you anyway


post a comment here http://www.ebuyer.com/product/161328/show_product_reviews and see if other owners of that board had similar problem.
#29
Thanks. Doing it straight away.
#30
update? is it fixed?
#31
Hi, sorry if I didn't reply earlier but I was away. I still didn't manage to solve the problem, I posted even on the asus website but nothing. I will try to contact directly their customer support. In the meantime today I'll try to solve it trough windows because the system boot and recognize the card but only if I use the onboard one as primary.

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