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Hi, for ages now I've wanted to get into PC gaming, have always loved gaming on my PS's but with games like DayZ and SCUM which are PC only, I'm now considering purchasing a desktop (or even laptop if… Read More
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2m, 2w agoPosted 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Hi, for ages now I've wanted to get into PC gaming, have always loved gaming on my PS's but with games like DayZ and SCUM which are PC only, I'm now considering purchasing a desktop (or even laptop if cheap enough, although I'm guessing the cost of the screen on a laptop would be better spent on a better desktop).

I'd like a device which will last me, but as mentioned, I don't need 4K or VR. I would like it to be able to use CAD, although it's not essential.

I'd prefer to spend as little as possible, maybe between £400 (optimistic) and £700 (ugh).

Any advice would be appreciated, I don't mind used as long as I have warranties, but new would be preferred.

Sorry I forgot to mention, I do really want a surface pro! Would this, or the book, be suitable? If I can get the surface which can do gaming my budget will naturally increase exponentially!

Thanks!

MJ
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#1
Alienware Alpha for £399 from Dell
#2
Are you interested in building one or after a prebuilt? Also, do you have a monitor?

Edited By: discwars on Mar 06, 2017 11:10: sentence incomplete
#3
tempt
Alienware Alpha for £399 from Dell


Seems a perfect price! Although would the i3 limit the device somewhat?
#4
Build your own, you get a lot more bang for your buck, if you are willing to spend closer to the £700 mark you will get something that is futureproofed and won't need replacing for a while.
#5
discwars
Are you interested in building one or after a prebuilt? Also, do you have a monitor?


I'm quite open really, with building myself:

1. I've no idea where to start, although I've heard it's relatively straight forwards, with the nature of it being tech and not lego it does daunt me!
2. It worries me about warranties, I know if there's a fault parts have warranties but isolating the issue isn't something I've any idea about and also, what if one part malfunctions another?

And I don't have a monitor as such, it wasn't built as a monitor, but it's a full HD smart TV which I'm hoping to recycle as a monitor?
#6
Westwoodo
Build your own, you get a lot more bang for your buck, if you are willing to spend closer to the £700 mark you will get something that is futureproofed and won't need replacing for a while.


From what I've read, building my own is the way to go, but as I mentioned in my reply to discwars, it does slightly daunt me due to warranties along with my own ability. I've been on chillblasts sight (forgot the name) and I end up choosing parts up to and onwards from £1000! So I don't really know what components I need, where to start, etc etc oO
#7
itsmattyjayy
tempt
Alienware Alpha for £399 from Dell
Seems a perfect price! Although would the i3 limit the device somewhat?

With it's GTX 950 equivalent graphics an i3T wouldn't be a limitation for gaming, I'm not sure how CPU intensive CAD is these days.

£400 is a reasonable price for it, I'd personally go up to £550 for an RX 470 and G4560 system if high frame rates are a priority. Something along these lines:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/TMqJPs

That leaves you £150 for a freesync monitor and mouse and keyboard if needed.
#8
As recommended by PCMR reddit, https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/BKLDKZ
#9
build your own. you can even get cover for parts in case you damage them during the build from the likes of scan for quite cheap. they even sell bundles partly assembled like mobile cpu cooler and ram for not much more than separate parts, and they can over clock them too. If you were limited to 400 and space I'd have suggested the alienware last year, but you'll get a vastly superior machine for 700, gpus in particular have jumped in performance . aim for something like a i5-6600k with a 8gb rx480, and have ssd as main drive
#10
EndlessWaves
itsmattyjayy
tempt
Alienware Alpha for £399 from Dell
Seems a perfect price! Although would the i3 limit the device somewhat?
With it's GTX 950 equivalent graphics an i3T wouldn't be a limitation for gaming, I'm not sure how CPU intensive CAD is these days.
£400 is a reasonable price for it, I'd personally go up to £550 for an RX 470 and G4560 system if high frame rates are a priority. Something along these lines:https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/TMqJPs
That leaves you £150 for a freesync monitor and mouse and keyboard if needed.

Motherboard isn't compatible with CPU without an update to the bios.
#11
itsmattyjayy
Westwoodo
Build your own, you get a lot more bang for your buck, if you are willing to spend closer to the £700 mark you will get something that is futureproofed and won't need replacing for a while.

From what I've read, building my own is the way to go, but as I mentioned in my reply to discwars, it does slightly daunt me due to warranties along with my own ability. I've been on chillblasts sight (forgot the name) and I end up choosing parts up to and onwards from £1000! So I don't really know what components I need, where to start, etc etc oO


If you order from Amazon even if you make a mistake during the build (you won't) they will cover it, Amazon are a great company.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/FwhLYr

This is a solid build which can also be made cheaper. I edited the graphics card price to £180.00 as it can be picked up for that price regularly now.

Edited By: ritchiedrama on Mar 06, 2017 13:43: gfg
#12
Personally I would build one yourself and get a 1440p monitor, graphics look so much better and it only requires a little extra grunt.

You could buy a used 970 (equivalent to a 1060) for peanuts these days which will easily run both games on max settings at 90FPS at 1440p.

Building a PC is so easy, like flat pack furniture.

Recommended retailers are Scan and Overclockers. You can also get bundles which include Ram, CPU and Motherboard. Intel offers better performance but AMD is cheaper and offers more bang per buck.
#13
itsmattyjayy
discwars
Are you interested in building one or after a prebuilt? Also, do you have a monitor?

I'm quite open really, with building myself:

1. I've no idea where to start, although I've heard it's relatively straight forwards, with the nature of it being tech and not lego it does daunt me!
2. It worries me about warranties, I know if there's a fault parts have warranties but isolating the issue isn't something I've any idea about and also, what if one part malfunctions another?

And I don't have a monitor as such, it wasn't built as a monitor, but it's a full HD smart TV which I'm hoping to recycle as a monitor?

Also Scan offer Scaninsure which covers you in the event you accidentally nuke your components during installation.

However, it's pretty hard to go wrong as nowadays PCs automatically shut off of things are wrong. Just make sure everything is mounted correctly and as a rule, if it doesn't fit... don't force it.

It is so easy though and so many guides on websites like Tom's hardware. Lego is actually more difficult :)
#14
ritchiedrama
itsmattyjayy
Westwoodo
Build your own, you get a lot more bang for your buck, if you are willing to spend closer to the £700 mark you will get something that is futureproofed and won't need replacing for a while.

From what I've read, building my own is the way to go, but as I mentioned in my reply to discwars, it does slightly daunt me due to warranties along with my own ability. I've been on chillblasts sight (forgot the name) and I end up choosing parts up to and onwards from £1000! So I don't really know what components I need, where to start, etc etc oO


If you order from Amazon even if you make a mistake during the build (you won't) they will cover it, Amazon are a great company.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/FwhLYr

This is a solid build which can also be made cheaper. I edited the graphics card price to £180.00 as it can be picked up for that price regularly now.


Okay, so if I were to order all of these parts, which I see there's a total of 8, is that all? Literally put each part where it belongs and then power it on? Would I not require a copy of windows also (from what I've read), in which case can I reuse a copy from a laptop I own or is that not possible? Sorry for all the questions!
#15
Leonintelex
Personally I would build one yourself and get a 1440p monitor, graphics look so much better and it only requires a little extra grunt.

You could buy a used 970 (equivalent to a 1060) for peanuts these days which will easily run both games on max settings at 90FPS at 1440p.

Building a PC is so easy, like flat pack furniture.

Recommended retailers are Scan and Overclockers. You can also get bundles which include Ram, CPU and Motherboard. Intel offers better performance but AMD is cheaper and offers more bang per buck.


From what little I know, intel is definitely the way I want to be going! I've just been looking at the Alienware Alpha R2 which has a 960, which apparently isn't as good as the 970 you've mentioned (which I've read can actually handle VR, NOT that I'll be using VR, but to me it means it's powerful enough for what I need? From the online reviews, the alpha is a great piece of tech but it's similar priced to the parts listed on the above (the alpha R2 is £579.08). In terms or possible "future proofing"; would the self build provide much more freedom, who knows after this venture what happens :D
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[i]Edited By: itsmattyjayy on Mar 06, 2017 14:48: Unclear
#16
ritchiedrama
itsmattyjayy
Westwoodo
Build your own, you get a lot more bang for your buck, if you are willing to spend closer to the £700 mark you will get something that is futureproofed and won't need replacing for a while.

From what I've read, building my own is the way to go, but as I mentioned in my reply to discwars, it does slightly daunt me due to warranties along with my own ability. I've been on chillblasts sight (forgot the name) and I end up choosing parts up to and onwards from £1000! So I don't really know what components I need, where to start, etc etc oO


If you order from Amazon even if you make a mistake during the build (you won't) they will cover it, Amazon are a great company.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/FwhLYr

This is a solid build which can also be made cheaper. I edited the graphics card price to £180.00 as it can be picked up for that price regularly now.


Thank you for your reply! It's lovely that there's so much information on this thread! With the parts you've listed, would it be as simple as putting 8 parts together and then booting and having what I can configure as a gaming PC? How does software pan out, I mean in need to configure windows etc..

Furthermore, with this would I be able to game on high settings with high stable FPS at a decent resolution?

Games I have in mind are DayZ, Scum once it's out, battlefield (which I currently play on PS4), arma looks cool, and basically them kind of games :)
#17
Bare in mind most pc games are badly optimised console ports these days and you will find performance hampered more by that fact than system specs nowadays.
#18
itsmattyjayy
ritchiedrama
itsmattyjayy
Westwoodo
Build your own, you get a lot more bang for your buck, if you are willing to spend closer to the £700 mark you will get something that is futureproofed and won't need replacing for a while.
From what I've read, building my own is the way to go, but as I mentioned in my reply to discwars, it does slightly daunt me due to warranties along with my own ability. I've been on chillblasts sight (forgot the name) and I end up choosing parts up to and onwards from £1000! So I don't really know what components I need, where to start, etc etc oO
If you order from Amazon even if you make a mistake during the build (you won't) they will cover it, Amazon are a great company.https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/FwhLYr
This is a solid build which can also be made cheaper. I edited the graphics card price to £180.00 as it can be picked up for that price regularly now.
Thank you for your reply! It's lovely that there's so much information on this thread! With the parts you've listed, would it be as simple as putting 8 parts together and then booting and having what I can configure as a gaming PC? How does software pan out, I mean in need to configure windows etc..
Furthermore, with this would I be able to game on high settings with high stable FPS at a decent resolution?
Games I have in mind are DayZ, Scum once it's out, battlefield (which I currently play on PS4), arma looks cool, and basically them kind of games :)

Pretty much, yes.

As for gaming on high settings, yeah for the most part - I mean some games are more demanding but if you YouTube

"G4560 RX480 Battlefield 1" for example, you'll see how it runs. :)
#19
ritchiedrama
EndlessWaves
itsmattyjayy
tempt
Alienware Alpha for £399 from Dell
Seems a perfect price! Although would the i3 limit the device somewhat?
With it's GTX 950 equivalent graphics an i3T wouldn't be a limitation for gaming, I'm not sure how CPU intensive CAD is these days.
£400 is a reasonable price for it, I'd personally go up to £550 for an RX 470 and G4560 system if high frame rates are a priority. Something along these lines:https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/TMqJPs
That leaves you £150 for a freesync monitor and mouse and keyboard if needed.
Motherboard isn't compatible with CPU without an update to the bios.

Look again, I'm just got an 'any' filter there so it's selecting whichever compatible model is cheapest.

If it's still showing the MSI H110M PRO-VD then that particular model got the relevent BIOS update on the 19th of October so I would have expected models to have started shipping with that BIOS version by now, although there will still be old stock around. The possibility is flagged up at the bottom of the page.

itsmattyjayy
ritchiedrama
itsmattyjayy
Westwoodo
Build your own, you get a lot more bang for your buck, if you are willing to spend closer to the £700 mark you will get something that is futureproofed and won't need replacing for a while.
From what I've read, building my own is the way to go, but as I mentioned in my reply to discwars, it does slightly daunt me due to warranties along with my own ability. I've been on chillblasts sight (forgot the name) and I end up choosing parts up to and onwards from £1000! So I don't really know what components I need, where to start, etc etc oO
If you order from Amazon even if you make a mistake during the build (you won't) they will cover it, Amazon are a great company.https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/FwhLYr
This is a solid build which can also be made cheaper. I edited the graphics card price to £180.00 as it can be picked up for that price regularly now.
Okay, so if I were to order all of these parts, which I see there's a total of 8, is that all? Literally put each part where it belongs and then power it on? Would I not require a copy of windows also (from what I've read), in which case can I reuse a copy from a laptop I own or is that not possible? Sorry for all the questions!

Not if it came with the laptop, only boxed copies are transferrable.

itsmattyjayy
In terms or possible "future proofing"; would the self build provide much more freedom

The best future proofing is money in the bank. High end stuff generally only makes sense if it's benefitting you right now.

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