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One of my kids is looking to buy herself a PC in a couple of months' time. It'd be mainly for gaming, but also video editing. Unfortunately I don't know as much about PCs as I'd like, and she's ask… Read More
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5m, 2w agoPosted 5 months, 2 weeks ago
One of my kids is looking to buy herself a PC in a couple of months' time. It'd be mainly for gaming, but also video editing.

Unfortunately I don't know as much about PCs as I'd like, and she's asked me for some advice. I'm hoping some helpful person(s) on here might save my bacon with some advice...

She's currently looking at this:

http://www.dinopc.com/shop/pc/Primal-GEN-Gaming-PC-p2863.htm

(i3 7100, GTX 1050 2GB)

£519 (but there was a popup that I closed without looking at it that I think was offering a discount when you join their mailing list)

Like I say, I'm pretty useless with this stuff.

I believe the graphics card is pretty good (though not on a par with the latest top end stuff of course.)

Is that processor suitable? I get the impression it'd be a bottleneck. (I saw an option to upgrade it to an i5 7500 for an extra £89, which sounds good but I think she's budgeting £500 rather than £600.)

I'm guessing the 8Gb RAM is fine (should be fine for most stuff now and could be easily doubled for about £40-£50 in the future if required?)

I know nothing about the other stuff, like the psu.

Any thoughts, observations, advice would be much appreciated!
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5m, 2w agoPosted 5 months, 2 weeks ago
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#1
It looks good for your budget. A new i3 and gtx 1050 should be good for 1080p gaming etc. And the power supply is good enough if you are not planning on going for dual graphics card options in the future.
#2
Obvious questions to get out of the way for other people helping:

which games will she be playing? How much would she want good graphics? Is she happy with smooth gameplay that will be on low graphic settings?

Also, would you be comfortable building the PC yourself? It is relatively easy and you can learn this really quickly now, with a view to save money and have a fun project with your daughter? It's also very rewarding. see more by clicking here. It's a really great place to get started.

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the i3 7100 will not be much of a bottleneck, so that's nothing to worry about. I have an i5 4440 and I do just fine.

8GB ram is fine. You're right about being possibly doubling it in the future potentially but there is generally little need for that for most people.

The real limiter on the GPU is the 2GB of vRAM. For modern games on above low settings on 1080p - you should be looking at the minimum of 4GB here.

I would seriously recommend you spend a few evenings reading up on it, ordering something like the CPU you have mentioned, but with a 6GB GTX 1060, and you can make it at about £500-570

GPU £230
CPU £120
RAM £50
Motherboard £50
PSU £60 (Check here to see about effective PSUs. They are very important you don't want to go cheap)
Case £40
HDD £70
*these are just quick estimates
#4
If it is mainly for gaming as you say, I would spend a large portion of the budget on a much stronger graphics card. 1050 is a low power card but a 1060 will last your daughter a lot longer and play all of the latest games at 1080p at the best settings. If you have a quick look on eBay or Amazon you will get an idea of what kind of system is available at your price range. An RX 480 is also an excellent choice.

You can get a decent 1060 PC with for example an Amd fx 6300 for about 550 which is very decent price. The fx 6300 has 6 cores which is beneficial for video editing, although does a little worse in gaming (but most games are dependent on their graphids card not the other way around).

If you were to build the PC you can save a bit of cash but it's overall better as you learn some PC Maintenwnce skills too.

Rx 480 is 170 at moment at ballicom
PC case cheap one can cost 20-30
Fx 6300 and mobo is about 150-180 includes ram
Psu a decent cheap bronze one about 40
Ssd 250gb about 60-80
Putting them together is like Lego. It all fits in and you can buy a Windows key for 10-20 off eBay.
banned#5
Check out this build I am a pc enthusiast and I do know my stuff this gaming pc is 620 and can play any nearly any game at 4K ( cant play witcher 3 at 4K). I know it is a bit out your budget but it will last years. And by building it your self you get more for your money and can be a bonding project between you and your daughter. It features arx 480 8gb which is always on here for cheap just shop around. The 6 core cpu will smash video editing tasks with photoshop and premier. There is a 1 to hardrive but you could go for a ssd for more money but I would just get that later. The case looks amazing I use it in my own build and will look great with and office or bedroom.
Good luck and here's a link https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/
Any help just ask through the forum or pm me
Thanks
#6
gowf
If it is mainly for gaming as you say, I would spend a large portion of the budget on a much stronger graphics card. 1050 is a low power card but a 1060 will last your daughter a lot longer and play all of the latest games at 1080p at the best settings. If you have a quick look on eBay or Amazon you will get an idea of what kind of system is available at your price range. An RX 480 is also an excellent choice.
You can get a decent 1060 PC with for example an Amd fx 6300 for about 550 which is very decent price. The fx 6300 has 6 cores which is beneficial for video editing, although does a little worse in gaming (but most games are dependent on their graphids card not the other way around).
If you were to build the PC you can save a bit of cash but it's overall better as you learn some PC Maintenwnce skills too.
Rx 480 is 170 at moment at ballicom
PC case cheap one can cost 20-30
Fx 6300 and mobo is about 150-180 includes ram
Psu a decent cheap bronze one about 40
Ssd 250gb about 60-80
Putting them together is like Lego. It all fits in and you can buy a Windows key for 10-20 off eBay.
I would second this approach.
I second this.
#7
hotukdeals4life
Check out this build I am a pc enthusiast and I do know my stuff this gaming pc is 620 and can play any nearly any game at 4K ( cant play witcher 3 at 4K). I know it is a bit out your budget but it will last years. And by building it your self you get more for your money and can be a bonding project between you and your daughter. It features arx 480 8gb which is always on here for cheap just shop around. The 6 core cpu will smash video editing tasks with photoshop and premier. There is a 1 to hardrive but you could go for a ssd for more money but I would just get that later. The case looks amazing I use it in my own build and will look great with and office or bedroom.
Good luck and here's a link https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/
Any help just ask through the forum or pm me
Thanks

Enthusiast and knows his stuff ;).

Check out what build, your spieled just generic components and stuff. Your link goes to a empty search/results, presume its actually mean to link to the description of the PC you are describing!

Managing to start and basically just running a game at 4K is not the same as a machine actually running a game smoothly at 4K which in your instance is not the case, so no it wont last years if you are referring to 4K Gaming, 1440p yes definitely as drivers mature and vulkan expands .
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I believe the graphics card is pretty good (though not on a par with the latest top end stuff of course.)
Is that processor suitable? I get the impression it'd be a bottleneck. (I saw an option to upgrade it to an i5 7500 for an extra £89, which sounds good but I think she's budgeting £500 rather than £600.)

There's a lot of spec creep around. Partly it's due to enthusiasts with money that have high standards and partly because when people are spending £500+ they'd rather err on the side of caution.

Bottlenecking is ones of those vague terms where the boundries shift depending on who's using it. There will always be games that are CPU limited because they choose to have undemanding graphics, often strategy and other PC-specific games take this approach.

At the other extreme, there are always games that are very light on the CPU and will give the same performance on an eight year old CPU than they will on a brand one new.

Bottlenecking is some vague point between them where 'too many' games are limited by the CPU to make it worth upgrading the graphics card further. I certainly wouldn't say you're anywhere near that point for an entry level card for a 7100.

In fact, I'd be considering the next model down, the G4560, which gives you 90% of the CPU performance at a £50 saving.

The 1050 will do the job acceptably but unless you need a nVidia-specific technology then the RX 460 4GB is a better choice at the same price.
#9
Buying prebuilt they always charge more for the upgrades then they should to try and get you to overpay.

Realisticly i3s have little point as they are only about £30 cheaper than an i5 that is much better and about £70 more than a good pentium that they are only just better than.

I would recommend an fx4300 / 6300 if you dont want to upgrade in the future a pentium if you do.

For a GPU a 1050 / ti are good enough for most stuff at 1080p 60fps

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