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9y, 1m agoPosted 9 years, 1 month ago
I'm looking for a GPS which will have UK & Ireland maps and all France. I've been looking for a while but find it difficult to understand what I should be looking for in terms of features (never had one before), what accessories are included or needed and whether map updates are free etc.

Can anyone please recommend any GPS they have used? Ideally I would be looking for something that's easy to use, could redirect around traffic jams (is this even possible ?:oops: ?) and less than £150 (would consider 2nd hand).

I've been looking at the http://www.amazon.co.uk/Navman-F20-Satellite-Navigation-European/dp/B000MVYC8I/ref=sr_1_9/026-2150245-4318057?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1192792342&sr=1-9 Navman f20 . Has anyone got this or used it?
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banned#1
Dont bother with Navman, Tom Tom are the best and will always be the best, they cost a bit more....but then you get what you pay for. Trust me, the way Tom tom works is far superior to anything else on the market. The cheaper models do not have map updates but they are doing a system now (I think it retails around the £270 mark) where it includes automatic map updates.

For french maps you need to make sure you include the European maps in your package, although if you get the UK & Ireland map version you can easily buy the France maps as an add on.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/TomTom-Satellite-Navigation-Without-Bluetooth/dp/B000TXDOW4/ref=pd_bbs_sr_10/202-3765125-5064648?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1192803991&sr=8-10

£143.70
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ABCADDELL
I'm looking for a GPS which will have UK & Ireland maps and all France. I've been looking for a while but find it difficult to understand what I should be looking for in terms of features (never had one before), what accessories are included or needed and whether map updates are free etc.


I don't know any that includes free map updates.

And all of France (as opposed to say major roads) and you're probably looking for one with euro mapping.

The Garmin Nuvi 250 (I mentioned it in a post to somebody else, here, yesterday) from Amazon has full euro mapping for around £140-something pounds.

ABCADDELL
Can anyone please recommend any GPS they have used?


I've used Garmin and TomTom. I've also briefly had an AYTOBE and a Roadcom.

If I was to recommend something, I'd probably go with either Garmin or TomTom - both are easy to use. I think I prefer the TomTom display, but the operation of Garmins.

ABCADDELL
Ideally I would be looking for something that's easy to use, could redirect around traffic jams (is this even possible ?:oops: ?) and less than £150 (would consider 2nd hand).


Routing around traffic jams requires TMC. And depending on make, may require additional hardware, mobile usage (GPRS) or a subscription.

I recently bought a Garmin C510T that appeared on HUKD. At the time that was £99 delivered (I bought from BT shop). It was a refurb - although everything looks new to me. This has TMC and a lifetime subscription. TMC reception isn't perfect, though - it gets the info over normal FM radio broadcasts (or in some TomTom cases, with no additional hardware, over bluetooth using GPRS from your mobile - so incurs data charges).

My C510T doesn't have euro mapping, though, so wouldn't meet that aspect of your criteries. The Garmin C550s that I posted about (from Maplin - they were £149.99) would be perfect for you, but Maplin appear to have sold out fairly quickly. If they got stock, that would completely fit your requirements. Otherwise they are a fair bit dearer, normally.

ABCADDELL
I've been looking at the Navman f20. Has anyone got this or used it?


I've never used or encountered Navman units. This one does seem to fit your bill, although would be slightly above your budget, with traffic (£163-something). Given what you need, requirement wise, at the moment seems the best fit.

I'm pretty sure you won't get anything like free map updates, though, but if you buy it with the traffic module, you'll have euro mapping and TMC / traffic.
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UltimoScorpion
Dont bother with Navman, Tom Tom are the best and will always be the best, they cost a bit more....but then you get what you pay for. Trust me, the way Tom tom works is far superior to anything else on the market.


Don't think I'd fully agree with you, there.

I like the interface on TomTom. But up to now, they've not had a great traffic solution (not that it's a perfect solution, period). But it's either been add-on hardware with subcription fees, or using your mobile data connection (is there fees / subscription on top of that?).

I don't think there's one killer make, or model of sat nav. It's finding one that meets your needs, and that you like the way it works / appears.
#4
UltimoScorpion

For french maps you need to make sure you include the European maps in your package, although if you get the UK & Ireland map version you can easily buy the France maps as an add on.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/TomTom-Satellite-Navigation-Without-Bluetooth/dp/B000TXDOW4/ref=pd_bbs_sr_10/202-3765125-5064648?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1192803991&sr=8-10

£143.70

that looks good. Thanks for your help. I suppose I should head down to curry's or something to see what they look like first hand.

I just checked the french maps add-in and it cost nearly £60. I guess it's cheaper to buy it pre-installed.
banned#5
Lester Burnham
Don't think I'd fully agree with you, there.

I like the interface on TomTom. But up to now, they've not had a great traffic solution (not that it's a perfect solution, period). But it's either been add-on hardware with subcription fees, or using your mobile data connection (is there fees / subscription on top of that?).

I don't think there's one killer make, or model of sat nav. It's finding one that meets your needs, and that you like the way it works / appears.


I wouldn't bother with the traffic.....turn on radio 2 and use your judgement, its not hard...I never get stuck anywhere unless I want to.
banned#6
ABCADDELL
that looks good. Thanks for your help. I suppose I should head down to curry's or something to see what they look like first hand.

I just checked the french maps add-in and it cost nearly £60. I guess it's cheaper to buy it pre-installed.


definitely, but amazon also sell the maps, dont buy off tomtom direct....they really know how to charge.

The self updating maps are available on tomtoms, its called mapshare

http://www.tomtom.com/products/product.php?ID=373&Category=0&Lid=1
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ABCADDELL
that looks good. Thanks for your help. I suppose I should head down to curry's or something to see what they look like first hand.

I just checked the french maps add-in and it cost nearly £60. I guess it's cheaper to buy it pre-installed.


It normally is cheaper to get a unit with euro mapping, than buying additional maps.
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UltimoScorpion
I wouldn't bother with the traffic.....turn on radio 2 and use your judgement, its not hard...I never get stuck anywhere unless I want to.


TMC - when it's working well, with good reception, can be very good - it can give you good warning of impending doom, and route you around it. That's especially important when you don't know the area well - and that's quite likely, otherwise you wouldn't be likely to be using sat nav.

As to just using the radio and judgement - well you could say that about sat navs in general. Just use your head and a map.

People use these sort of gadgets to make their life easier. And in general they do. TMC isn't perfect right now, but with good reception can be good. Despite your favouritism over everything TomTom, they aren't perfect yet, neither are other makes.

But they are not head and shoulders above everything else. They are good, and their interface is nice. But there's other makes that make competent sat navs, too.
#9
Thanks LB. That's very useful and I appreciate you taking the time to respond. I'll look at the garmin too, as it looks good too according to the details on amazon.

I guess the systems re-direct you if you turn off motorways to avoid traffic jams/accidents anyway, so I suppose that's not really a requirement. Basically I would want a device that tells me how to get from a to b and, as I'm likely to be moving to france soon, that includes UK, Ireland and France. I suppose if it meets those criteria it's down to personal opinion? Don't they all work the same?
banned#10
Lester Burnham
But they are not head and shoulders above everything else. They are good, and their interface is nice. But there's other makes that make competent sat navs, too.


I post what I have knowledge of to benefit another, I have knowlege of Tomtom, Garmin, Sony and HP and Tomtom are far superior in my opinion. I am a lorry driver and dont always have a great knowledge of the local area, however the traffic delays of any significance that cause delay are usually major roads only. These delays are reported quicker and in more detail via the radio. Like you said the TMC are not quite up to speed yet, and in my opinion are not worth the extra £70 per annum when Radio 2 does just as good a job.

With the easy 'find an alternative route' button on tomtom its makes life driving very simple
#11
ABCADDELL
Thanks LB. That's very useful and I appreciate you taking the time to respond. I'll look at the garmin too, as it looks good too according to the details on amazon.

I guess the systems re-direct you if you turn off motorways to avoid traffic jams/accidents anyway, so I suppose that's not really a requirement. Basically I would want a device that tells me how to get from a to b and, as I'm likely to be moving to france soon, that includes UK, Ireland and France. I suppose if it meets those criteria it's down to personal opinion? Don't they all work the same?


They all work in a similar fashion.

And all (as far as I know) will dynamically re-route you if you deviate.

I reject the falacy that there's one make that's hugely better than others, though. TomTom make some good units, as do Garmin, and Navman seem to get some good discussion (I think there's dedicated forums on pocketgpsworld for Navmans).

TMC / traffic is what I thought they should be capable of when I first considered getting on. To me, that's one of the best developments. The ability to use real-time traffic info (ie not info that's an hour out of date). It's one thing to try and re-route yourself - which is just fine, if you're fairly au fait with the area. But where it's in an area that you know nothing about, it's a bit difficult.

As an example, you may be on a long motorway, and the matrix signs may be telling you about long delays between certain junctions. So you may be able to react and leave the motorway in time before hitting the delays. However, the re-routing will probably try and get you back on that same motorway as soon as possible - or if you're going to try yourself, you may not know how to avoid all the delays and join the motorway again at the right place.

That's the sort of scenario where (TMC reception permitting) that TMC / traffic is good for. I guess in some ways, TomTom when using GPRS / data connection may be better, reception wise, than TMC over RDS.

I think the Navman you hinted at, with the traffic module, may well be a good fit for you. It's got euro mapping, it's got traffic, and I suspect it's probably got a SiRFSTAR III chipset (which is a fair leap forward over the previous gps chipset in terms of reception, and retaining signal lock).

The rest of it, really, is variations on a theme. Have a look at the Navman forums on pocketgpsworld - perhaps ask some questions on there about them, if you want some feedback to give you a good feel.
#12
UltimoScorpion
I post what I have knowledge of to benefit another, I have knowlege of Tomtom, Garmin, Sony and HP and Tomtom are far superior in my opinion.


Well I'm sorry, but I simply don't agree. I like TomTom units. But I don't think they're leaps and bounds better than other makes. They have differences.

I have a TT 510, and I've run TT6 on a PDA, I have a Garmin i3 and a Garmin C510T, and I've used a couple of budget sat navs, too.

There are things I like about TomTom, and things I prefer about Garmin units.

It's certainly not as clear cut as you seem to suggest. Your opinion is one thing, but it's not a universal fact that TomTom are superior to everything else. In the US, TomTom don't have anything like the popularity they do over here.

UltimoScorpion
I am a lorry driver and dont always have a great knowledge of the local area, however the traffic delays of any significance that cause delay are usually major roads only. These delays are reported quicker and in more detail via the radio.


TMC uses radio (RDS transmissions) in the main. Apart from TomToms GPRS data connection.

Mine (a Garmin GTM21) uses the trafficmaster signalling, then broadcast over radio.

And I'd certainly trust it more than broadcast radio info. The only downside to TMC using RDS is that in some areas, reception isn't that great.

UltimoScorpion
Like you said the TMC are not quite up to speed yet, and in my opinion are not worth the extra £70 per annum when Radio 2 does just as good a job.


Where does £70 per annum come from? My Garmin C510T has lifetime traffic, and was £99, all in.

The unit the OP suggested - the Navman f20, has a traffic add on, that's £29 all in (for the traffic unit), with a lifetime subscription.

Just because TomTom overcharge for it, doesn't mean that every make does.

UltimoScorpion
With the easy 'find an alternative route' button on tomtom its makes life driving very simple


There's no guarantee that alternate routes will adequately route you around the problem areas. If it did, then all sat navs would just manage with that - and all that I've use have had a detour option.

Fact is, that detours / alternate routes, aren't necessarily a great solution - because there may not be an easy alternative, or it may not completely get you around the delay.
#13
ABCADDELL
Thanks LB. That's very useful and I appreciate you taking the time to respond. I'll look at the garmin too, as it looks good too according to the details on amazon.

I guess the systems re-direct you if you turn off motorways to avoid traffic jams/accidents anyway, so I suppose that's not really a requirement. Basically I would want a device that tells me how to get from a to b and, as I'm likely to be moving to france soon, that includes UK, Ireland and France. I suppose if it meets those criteria it's down to personal opinion? Don't they all work the same?


They are not all the same. Tomtom consistently prove that the software is the key difference - all of the different maps have strengths and weaknesses but the Tomtom presentation and navigational algorithrims are far more valuable than any mapping differences.

The Tomtom One is all you need - buy the EU version - much cheaper than sourcing the maps later...
#14
Bertt
They are not all the same. Tomtom consistently prove that the software is the key difference - all of the different maps have strengths and weaknesses but the Tomtom presentation and navigational algorithrims are far more valuable than any mapping differences.


And you read any forums that are dedicated to more than one vendor, and you'll probably read the same or very similar criticisms of them all.

I like TomTom - I like their presentation and user interface - for mapping and navigating. But as for actual use, I prefer Garmin. I also prefer Garmin's approach to dealing with POIs.

You'll find discussions about issues with TomTom, Garmin, Navman, and a whole host of other sat navs on pocketgpsworld. And none of them appear free from criticisms on routing, functionality, or performance.

So the best advice, is finding one that ticks the boxes an individual needs, then researching that choice in a forum where people discuss it. As opposed to blind brand loyalty.

I have a TT 510, and a Garmin i3 and a Garmin C510T, and up 'til quite recently, TT navigator 6 running on a PDA. They all have strengths and weaknesses, and none makes me think this is the killer brand I'd advocate to people, regardless of what they're actually asking for.

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