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Graphics Card Help - Do I Need a Bigger One & Where From?

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9y, 11m agoPosted 9 years, 11 months ago
Hi I wondered if anyone could help. My son has inherited a pc (Dell Dimension 4500 Pentium 4 cpu, 2.53 ghz, 256 mb ram with a 16mb ati rage 128 ultra graphics card.

We bought him loads of games for christmas SIMS 2 etc and none of them work properly ie take yonks to load or when loaded crash all the time.

Is this a graphics card problem? If so can I just change it and if so what to and where from?

Many thanks.
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9y, 11m agoPosted 9 years, 11 months ago
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#1
Hi jakybel,

I would say its a combination of the RAM and gfx card although primarily the gfx card.

Also, when obtaining a computer that has been used by someone else its always a good idea to do a fresh install of the operating system, this basically puts it back to the original state of the machine and gets rid of any problems the previous users may have created.

You can upgrade the gfx card but you need what type to get, it will most likely be an AGP gfx card from that era of machine, but its best to check before buying a new one. Have you or your son any experience with inside a computer?
#2
It will definitelly be a AGP card. You need new graphics mate, the one you've got is ancient - that is the reason games do not work. Memory is not that bad - games should easily start on 256 mb, but most of them will not run smoothly, so you will probably have to upgrade that as well.
#3
Not much experience but generally quite good at following instructions. How will I know if I can change the card? What should I be looking for?
#4
If you have any manuals for you motherboard or at least you know the model that would be a good start - so we can find out if you got AGP x8 slot and not the older one (probably you have). Changing graphic card is quit easy and doesn't require great skills. You just have to make sure that you buy a proper one. If you don't know the make of the motherboard open the computer and check for signs on it :)
#5
This is manual for your dell
http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dim4500/techov.htm#1101565
It has an agpx4 interface,and has 2 slots for pc 2100 ram
If your son is not after blistering performance and nothing more demanding than sims 2 then i`d go for an agp 7600gt,plus 1gb ram(2x512mb ram).Cost about just less than 200.
The best for demanding games is ati 512mb 1950 agp pro which costs 150 quid,plus 1gb ram,and a possible psu upgrade too.(about 250)
You have more options with newer computers that have pcie 16x graphics card slots.
The dell certainly isn`t a flying machine and i`d be loathe to spend 250 quid on an old machine and on upgrading it.
You could always sell it and use the money towards a nice new machine built on say an intel core duo 6400,with pcie 16x graphics slotted mobo,a pcie 7600gt and 1gb ram that would be pretty good as starting point.
You could also buy stuff second hand cheaper,but again older parts.

This place is pretty good for asking these type of questions btw,i`m on here
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/index.php?

Also look at dell forums,just type 4500 in search
http://www.dellcommunity.com/supportforums/board?board.id=dim_upghw
#6
I have this graphics card click here and I am able to play sims2 with no problems.It works out at just over £42 delivered.
#7
250 to revive an old pc... its a waste of money if you'r son is just after playing sims and the odd other game then an 6200 will do more than the trick.
It will also play newer games such as battlefield 2/ 2142 near enough aslong as you have enough RAM
http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?quicklinx=42yl
#8
Just want to say thanks to you guys for all your help but now I want another favour.

Which machine should I buy if I was gonna get a new one for my son? I can give the problematic old one to my daughter for the time being as she's not at the games stage yet.

He wants to play things like SIMS 2, Cluedo etc etc.

Thanks again - what a great site this is.
#9
jakybel
Just want to say thanks to you guys for all your help but now I want another favour.

Which machine should I buy if I was gonna get a new one for my son? I can give the problematic old one to my daughter for the time being as she's not at the games stage yet.

He wants to play things like SIMS 2, Cluedo etc etc.

Thanks again - what a great site this is.



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#10
jakybel
Just want to say thanks to you guys for all your help but now I want another favour.

Which machine should I buy if I was gonna get a new one for my son? I can give the problematic old one to my daughter for the time being as she's not at the games stage yet.

He wants to play things like SIMS 2, Cluedo etc etc.

Thanks again - what a great site this is.


Well if your budget can take it this is the best £500 worth for reasonable gaming
http://www.pcnextday.co.uk/products/ProductDetail.asp?ProductCode=3362-3304

you could consider one of the £500 odd Dells that were posted on here today but they have naff graphics cards so you'd have the extra expence of upgrading the card.

Anyway let us know your budget and whether you want a PC inclusive of a monitor.
#11
Was hoping to spend around £400 for a complete package ie including monitor, keyboard, etc.

Dont want a pure games machine like xbox or playstation as hope he will do some educational stuff on it too - (oh yeah right mum!!)

Definately need a good graphics card as dont want to have to fiddle with machine once I got it.
#12
Ebuyer have slapped at least £10 on all their PC's today, cheeky sods!!!!

You will struggle to get anything in that price range with a good graphics card.

You will nedd to spend about £500.

Do you really want to buy a new PC. You could revive this old one for less than £100 which will see it last at least another year.

Stick this ram in at just £24 for 512mb.
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/49294/rb/25107401621

Stick this graphics card in at just £76 for a 7600GS.
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/119716

This will last him a year or two. You could add 1gb of ram instead of the 512mb taking your total to about £125 instead of £100.

Also don't worry about adding new memory or the graphics card, we will talk you through it. If you can join two lego bricks together you can do this as all they do is slot into the correct place.
#13
Ok whats my best option for £500 max - husband will kill me.
#14
jakybel
Was hoping to spend around £400 for a complete package ie including monitor, keyboard, etc.

Dont want a pure games machine like xbox or playstation as hope he will do some educational stuff on it too - (oh yeah right mum!!)

Definately need a good graphics card as dont want to have to fiddle with machine once I got it.

Well that's the problem...could source a £400 rig but it would have fairly basic graphics so you'd have to spend at least £70-£80 to get a decent graphics card

here's an example..you could buy this base unit
http://www.comet.co.uk/cometbrowse/product.do?sku=358967

this monitor
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/114209/rb/25107196795

you're already at the price of the pcnextday rig that will not require a graphics update whereas this will.

you could consider a lower price base unit
http://www.comet.co.uk/cometbrowse/product.do?sku=355232
so £430 for the base and monitor but still requires a graphics update.

So in a nutshell you'll not get much for £400...well not something that has dual core and gaming potential.
#15
Right then ...

£125 sounds great - I was put off by the earlier upgrade option cos they said it would be £250 and a waste of time.

Off to contemplate and then will report back when have the widgets to put in ... just printed off manual from earlier post ... does it have the slots for the bits I have been advised to buy?

Sorry to be a pain.
#16
#17
jakybel
Right then ...

£125 sounds great - I was put off by the earlier upgrade option cos they said it would be £250 and a waste of time.

Off to contemplate and then will report back when have the widgets to put in ... just printed off manual from earlier post ... does it have the slots for the bits I have been advised to buy?

Sorry to be a pain.

Yes the ram and graphics card recommended by beerman will fit the Dell you have and you have the necessary "slots".
#18
Thanks again, I could get used to getting advice this way does this forum get addictive?

Will report back but 3 kids usually means I am away for a while!!
#19
jakybel
Thanks again, I could get used to getting advice this way does this forum get addictive?

Will report back but 3 kids usually means I am away for a while!!


believe me it does..worse than crack cocaine for some!! LOL
#20
Excellent stuff. For £125 you will be buying the full 1gb ram then.

Here is a direct link to it, it is just £46.99 so it is actually less than £125 for the two. Make sure you buy both together and use super saver delivery to get free delivery. It will still arrive in about 4 days. ;)
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/55296/rb/25108906311
#21
you can also get 1.5% quidco cashback for ebuyer purchases....if you plan on using the internet for regular shops it may be worth joining.
#22
Thanks guys for reminding me about quidco - i am not such a drongo - made 120 for doing my christmas shopping through it.

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