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Hello All, {Short Story: Sold lovely car. Need 4/5 door ‘family’ car that’s also got an executive/corporate/gadget vibe. Have shortlist. Need views/help/professional advice/technical experience fro… Read More
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8m, 1w agoPosted 8 months, 1 week ago
Hello All,

{Short Story: Sold lovely car. Need 4/5 door ‘family’ car that’s also got an executive/corporate/gadget vibe. Have shortlist. Need views/help/professional advice/technical experience from owners/ex-owners/mechanics/experts *please*)

Ive had to sell my glorious dream car of dreamy dreams and someone who we’ll refer to as ‘Additional Miniature Male Family Member’ is forcing me to buy a 5 door car.

However, the crux is that im still a ‘Business Man’ by trade, so I would like to have something ‘sleek’ – and im also a ‘Gadget Head’ so it needs toys. Lots of toys.

Note: I have only ever driven Manual Cars – and wildly prefer them – however, I also understand the “World is going automatic” – so its not a deal breaker.

Note: It needs to be able to fit a Bugaboo Donkey in the boot (which is a wide triangular awkward as ‘expletive’ shaped buggy)

So in summary, the shortlist is;
2010+ Jaguar XF 3.0L V6 (Automatic)
2009+ Volvo XC60 2.4L (Both)
2010+ Audi A6 Saloon 2.0L (Manual)
2010+ Audi A6 Avant 2.0L (Manual)
2006+ Audi S5 Saloon 4.2L Quattro (Manual)
2012+ Volkswagen CC 2.0L (Manual)
2006+ BMW 335D/535D 3.0L (Automatic)
2011+ Mercedes C220 BlueEfficiency 2.1L (Manual)

The budget is £10,000 – but with Christmas around the corner, id like to have some money left over – but if it means the difference between a couple of years, less miles and therefore more carefree years of motoring – then yes, happy to ‘blow my load’ on the whole thing. Would really prefer less than 80k on the clock. Would really prefer a nice screen with Sat Nav.

Seems to be a rarity – but DVD screens in the headrest would be an absolute dream. But seems too rare to add to wishlist.

For those reading past this bit and therefore having gone further than my ‘Summary’ view above – Here’s the big list of “Where im at”

Efficiency {Urban/Average/Extra}

Note: A global ‘con’ will be that I work locally, so my commute is 15-20 minutes, which used to be a problem for my Diesel/DPF old car… So id need to factor this in for any Diesel/DPF car.

Current ‘winner’ in my eyes is the Jaguar or Mercedes. Current ‘logical’ choice is the Audi(s). But ive only owned BMWs/VWs before, so no experience with the car, the local authorised garage or their upkeep.

2010+ Jaguar XF 3.0L V6 (Automatic)
Efficiency 30/40/50 {235BHP}
Pros;
Beautiful.
Nicest interior of the lot
*Lots* of toys
Loads of engine/poke
When one comes available that has all the dream stats – they are usually sold within 72 hours. (Must be a good thing?)
Cons;
Really small ‘saloon’ boot – so pram may not fit(?)
Ranked 2nd (behind Peugeot) in awkwardness to work with (mechanically)
Most poor reviews seem to share the same mention of “Electronic Gremlins”

2009+ Volvo XC60 2.4L (Both)
Efficiency 30/40/45 {160BHP}
Pros;
Spacious
Kind of okay looking in the realm of SUVs/MPVs.
Volvo reputation
Cons;
Dad-mobile.
Boring, Big & Bulky
Poor efficiency for engine size.

2010+ Audi A6 Saloon 2.0L (Manual)
Efficiency 30/45/60 {138BHP}
Pros;
Audis ‘Bulletproof’ design.
Good fuel efficiency
Cons;
Boring Audi Interior/lack of toys
Boring looking exterior
Meh Boot.

2011+ Audi A6 Avant 2.0L (Manual)
Efficiency 40/55/65 {134BHP}
Pros;
Spacious
Audis ‘Bulletproof’ design.
Good fuel efficiency
Pretty Looking. Nice exterior ‘touches’
Cons;
Estate. Blur.
Boring Audi Interior/lack of toys
Boring looking exterior

2006+ Audi S5 Saloon 4.2L Quattro (Automatic)
Efficiency 20/25/35 {350BHP}
Pros;
Toys.
That BHP.
Quattro
Meh Space
Cons;
Worst fuel consumption.
Costs.
Age/Mileage

2012+ Volkswagen CC 2.0L (Manual)
Efficiency 50/60/70 {138BHP}
Pros;
Age/Mileage
Sleak looking.
Fuel Efficiency
Cons;
Very slim, therefore poor boot(?)
Meh toys.

2006+ BMW 335D 3.0L (Automatic)
Efficiency 25/35/45 {286BHP}
Pros;
Luxury. Toys.
Engine/Drive Experience.
Cons;
Fuel Efficiency
Upkeep

2006+ BMW 535D 3.0L (Automatic)
Efficiency 30/40/50 {286BHP}
Pros;
Luxury. Toys.
Engine/Drive Experience.
Cons;
Fuel Efficiency
Upkeep
Too big/long (?) Awkward to drive/park/run around?

2011+ Mercedes C220 BlueEfficiency 2.1L (Manual)
Efficiency 45/60/70 {175BHP}
Pros;
Fuel Efficiency
Toys
Looks truly ‘exec/corporate’
Cons;
Synonymous with old people.
Mercedes (apparent) maintenance costs.
Really small ‘saloon’ boot – so pram may not fit(?)
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8m, 1w agoPosted 8 months, 1 week ago
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#1
Have you though about private leasing. We have just taken out a private lease car rather than buy a car. A VW Touran 16 plate, at just under£5k for 2 years driving. Only need to pay insurance and fuel.if we had bought one it would depreciate more than this. I have seen some good offers in Mercedes an Audi recently. I have been following a thread on pistonheads forum about lease cars. Some great deals posted.
#2
After about 2007 fuel economy figures went to pot for most brands as they're derived from the CO2 test results which manufacturers was finagling to meet emission requirements. Some of the performance models are still accurate, particularly the older ones, but you're not going to get 55mpg out of an Audi A6 for example.

For reasonable fuel economy numbers you need to be looking at user submission/third party test sites like RealMPG, TrueMPG, Spritmonitor and Fuelly.
#3
EndlessWaves
Need to be looking at user submission/third party test sites like RealMPG, TrueMPG, Spritmonitor and Fuelly.

Brilliant. Thank you.

fgreen79
Have you though about private leasing.

No, as I have the cash, im very old fashioned. Id rather buy it - and its done, rather than £300 per month for the rest of my life. Im hoping to buy at 50-70k and drive it into the ground, which if other cars on the market go by is 150k+ easily nowadays. So thats got to be 8 years ownership! I know the math can sometimes work, but I just cant have £300 a month come out of my living costs.

fgreen79
A VW Touran 16 plate, at just under£5k for 2 years driving.

VW 'Big Cars' are off my radar, as I originally factored in VW Tiguan and Toureg, but both come with £550 annual tax (compared to £30-£170 on the other 'finalists') and both were super thirsty and not much to give in the engines (like the 2.0 TDI Golf Engine in the Tiguan).

Note: Also discounted were the X3 and X5 from the list. They're a non-starter.
#4
Just to add to your shortlist/confusion have you considered the Lexus RX400 or GS450 or CT200 both in the price range. Unsure about the boot space although in the CT200 for your needs. Also quite hard to get hold off (well for myself anyhow as no dealer network in N.Ireland!) the Infiniti range most come with a plethora of gadgets for the price point.

~ Pops off to order the new Alfa Giulia :) ~


Edited By: cecilmcroberts on Oct 10, 2016 13:04: spelling
#5
can i suggest a 2010+ mercedes e350, should be able to fond a 60-70k saloon within your budget, acres of space, loads of prestige and proper mercedes reliability with all the toys.

the honda accords are also possibly worth a look.
#6
HamanBasher
can i suggest a 2010+ mercedes e350, should be able to fond a 60-70k saloon within your budget, acres of space, loads of prestige and proper mercedes reliability with all the toys.
the honda accords are also possibly worth a look.

A 2009 with 100k on it is looking at £9500. The only ones I found on AutoTrader all had 140k on them! Oof!

But yes, quite clean looking and smart. 40/40/50 isnt bad for a 3.0L either.

Will add it to the list for further searches!
#7
Silhouette

2010+ Jaguar XF 3.0L V6 (Automatic)

Im getting people on both sides of the fence on the Jag, but the big bug bears for the “Anti” camp are;

Numerous Electronic Gremlins in all Pre2012 XF’s.
You cant fit any pram in the boot, because its so thin at the entrance (id be using this for business during the week and family chaperoning on the weekend).
The complexity of the builds, as they’ve been quoted by a mechanic friend as the “Second most awkward to work with – which makes labour bills on work more… because they take so long to do”.
The DPF is really strict and would be a nightmare for my 15-20 minute daily work commute.

And theres a few people on the XF Owners form that mentioned “Nasty Surprises” at 100k+ --- What are those do we think? Is it the cost of the 100k/cambelt change?

Im worried about this 100k marker… and the actual cost of repairs/maintenance
#8
I always find the Citroen C6 rather eyecatching, it is a car used to ferry heads of state around after all. The trouble is the later models with the reduced tax like the 240bhp V6 are rather rare and don't come up for sale often. Worth having a look if you see one. VW Phaetons are surprisingly cheap too, although given their high list price you might find parts are expensive.

The newer and smaller Citroen DS5 could be a potential contender though. It's a supersized hatchback so a similar size to a 3-series but with more practicality than the silly german obsession with small saloons. Lovely interior on it, 160bhp and it'll do high forties mpg in practice. The ride is reputedly a bit stiff on the pre-facelift model though, so you'd have to try a local test drive.

Have you considered the Peugeot 508? The top of the range GT model with all the toys uses the same 2.2L 200bhp engine as the Jaguar XF. The cheapest estate currently on autotrader is 11k but it's 45k miles so you could probably find a 10k example with slightly higher mileage, and the saloon was released around a year earlier so there are several examples of that within budget.

The Skoda Superb is an obvious omission from your list. While I do feel some of it's atttributes are overstated in reviews (ride quality, boot space) and it suffers from VW Group UK's usual strange trim levels it's nevertheless a nice car and it even comes with a 3.6L V6, although being a petrol the economy may not be as high as you'd prefer. The Octavia vRS may be worth a look too, although it lacks the interior niceness of the superb.

The new Mazda 6 is a nice car to drive and has plenty of style, although again it looks like the estates are currently hovering slightly above budget. Unlike the 508 the saloon may be a bit small boot-wise but it's worth a look.

I'm not sure how they stand up in the toys department but a couple of the recent cars that were sold under the Chrysler brand in the UK are interesting. There's the big American (but Austrian-built) 300C with it's 215bhp V6 as standard (a diesel, so it does return the right side of 30mpg). The sort of car driven by 'businessmen'. ;)
The other is the newest (Lancia) Delta which is another super-sized hatchback and rather more Italian with a nice two tone roof option. The 2.0 diesel on sale up to 2012 offered 165bhp. That should be well within budget.
#9
EndlessWaves
I always find the Citroen C6 rather eyecatching, it is a car used to ferry heads of state around after all. The trouble is the later models with the reduced tax like the 240bhp V6 are rather rare and don't come up for sale often. Worth having a look if you see one. VW Phaetons are surprisingly cheap too, although given their high list price you might find parts are expensive.

The newer and smaller Citroen DS5 could be a potential contender though. It's a supersized hatchback so a similar size to a 3-series but with more practicality than the silly german obsession with small saloons. Lovely interior on it, 160bhp and it'll do high forties mpg in practice. The ride is reputedly a bit stiff on the pre-facelift model though, so you'd have to try a local test drive.

Have you considered the Peugeot 508? The top of the range GT model with all the toys uses the same 2.2L 200bhp engine as the Jaguar XF. The cheapest estate currently on autotrader is 11k but it's 45k miles so you could probably find a 10k example with slightly higher mileage, and the saloon was released around a year earlier so there are several examples of that within budget.

The Skoda Superb is an obvious omission from your list. While I do feel some of it's atttributes are overstated in reviews (ride quality, boot space) and it suffers from VW Group UK's usual strange trim levels it's nevertheless a nice car and it even comes with a 3.6L V6, although being a petrol the economy may not be as high as you'd prefer. The Octavia vRS may be worth a look too, although it lacks the interior niceness of the superb.

The new Mazda 6 is a nice car to drive and has plenty of style, although again it looks like the estates are currently hovering slightly above budget. Unlike the 508 the saloon may be a bit small boot-wise but it's worth a look.

I'm not sure how they stand up in the toys department but a couple of the recent cars that were sold under the Chrysler brand in the UK are interesting. There's the big American (but Austrian-built) 300C with it's 215bhp V6 as standard (a diesel, so it does return the right side of 30mpg). The sort of car driven by 'businessmen'. ;)
The other is the newest (Lancia) Delta which is another super-sized hatchback and rather more Italian with a nice two tone roof option. The 2.0 diesel on sale up to 2012 offered 165bhp. That should be well within budget.


I stopped at the word citroen seriously i have never seen a c6 in the flesh and the 508 is worth next to nothing it was a flop. These should not be mentioned in the same breath as jaguar audi merc bmw vw

Terrible cars

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