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Hello fellow HUKDers, My name is James and I've been a member on the site for some time now but only just started discovering the forums and possibilities within. I mostly just browse looking at de… Read More
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4m, 4w agoPosted 4 months, 4 weeks ago
Hello fellow HUKDers,

My name is James and I've been a member on the site for some time now but only just started discovering the forums and possibilities within. I mostly just browse looking at deals, though I am signed in on devices used by other people so they may or may not have posted deals as my username.

Now that formalities are out of the way, I'm looking to design a powerhouse PC with a small form factor. I was originally thinking of basic spec but then I've been considering investing a little more and seeing if I can build a capable gaming unit, so that I can access my (rather dated) steam catalogue. So I thought I would see what you knowledgeable folk have to offer in terms of parts recommendations :)

I'm intending to plow through forums this weekend and view other people's builds to see what works well but I'm pretty set on the Fractal Design Node 202 (itx) case. I'm really looking at a console-style slim design and although this one isn't cheap, it's got great reviews. I'm mainly doing this as a project for something to do. I've made PC modifications before but I want to challenge myself and build this from scratch.

I am on a budget. I doubt I could build an decent machine for less than £500, though it would be great if I could.

So here is the parts list and I'd like your suggestions please :)

CASE: Fractal Design Node 202 (£73 on amazon or £130 with 450W PSU at Argos with free £10 voucher)

PSU:

Will the optional integrated 450W be enough? It works out at about £50

Or should I look for something else

MOTHERBOARD: (itx with built in wifi)

?????

I've used ASUS before and like them. How do ASRock compare?

PROCESSOR:

Intel? Or AMD?

GPU:

?????

Nvidia?

RAM: (8GB or 16GB)

?????

SSD:

Crucial MX300 275GB £80ish

OS: Windows 10 OEM

Thank you in advance for your help. I will not take all the glory when it's finished. I will reference you when I boast about the finished product :)
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4m, 4w agoPosted 4 months, 4 weeks ago
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#1
wait wait wait
AMD will release new platform in 2-3 months which means current solutions will drop in price, both AMD and INTEL. If you can just wait.
#2
your best bet would to be go to https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/

this will make sure you can scan the prices, everything works correctly together and gets you to roughly the cheapest available. It doesn't cover every site so worth having a look around and bundle offers aren't there but it gets you in the ball park.

Like majdzinski said though, if you're in no rush, just hold off a little while for the AMD chips to be released and then you'll have a better choice and potentially better price.

As for buying, try to stick wioth dedictaed pc/component retailers as they will have support available to you also.

As well as this, you could ask the same question somewhere like the build a pc for me sub reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcforme) they'll basically design the entire thing and tell you what you should and shouldn't go for. You;ll need to explain if you are interested in playing new games or purely to work on your already existing steam library and any other potential uses you may have. £500 though should net you a worthy console equivalent or slightly better


something like this: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/4nKMm8

Edited By: corrazy on Jan 25, 2017 10:19: add link to build
#3
Intel Core i3-7100 3.9GHz Dual-Core Processor
Gigabyte GA-B150N Phoenix-WIFI Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard
Crucial Ballistix Tactical 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory
ADATA Ultimate SU800 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Palit GeForce GTX 1050 2GB StormX Video Card
Fractal Design Node 202 HTPC Case w/450W Power Supply

£544 delivered is the best I can come up with (with little effort), that case & PSU isn't cheap tho, it's £65 without the PSU and £128 with.

Considering the 1050 only has a draw of 75w, you could save a little getting a different SFX PSU (300w would do)
https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/power-supplies/sfx-tfx-micro-atx-mini-itx-power-supplies
#4
Don't cheap out on the psu for a start so don't get that SFX 300W psu. You should be able to do a quad core build if your only looking to do steam games relatively easily.

Surprised nobody has asked but what monitor resolution are we looking at? since that will dictate what graphics card you need. 2GB is likely not sufficient unless you don't want to play at maximum graphics settings even if it is steam games.
#5
Hello everyone. Thanks to those that have given feedback so far. I'm at work at the minute so will read in more depth later.

For the record my steam collection includes:
Just. Abuse 2
Mafia 2
Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising

And I'll be playing in 1080p, for the time being connected to a 46" Samsung. Granted I know performance from monitors is better but the tv is a top of the range best-seller.

I will reply in more depth to each comment later. But thank you for your input.
#6
Other uses will include file management and storing a large amount of pictures and videos.
#7
jmn16091990
CASE: Fractal Design Node 202 (£73 on amazon or £130 with 450W PSU at Argos with free £10 voucher)
PSU:
Will the optional integrated 450W be enough? It works out at about £50

450W should be fine for a £500 machine.

jmn16091990
Or should I look for something else
MOTHERBOARD: (itx with built in wifi)
?????
I've used ASUS before and like them. How do ASRock compare?

ASRock are fine, it's generally EVGA and Biostar that are considered second tier when it comes to their motherboard software.

Motherboard choice is primarily about features and what you're going to add to the system rather than performance.

jmn16091990
PROCESSOR:
Intel? Or AMD?

Depends on what Ryzen turns out to be like at this price. Right now the main choices are either a G4560 or an i5-7400/7500.

jmn16091990
GPU:
?????
Nvidia?

Generally AMD is the default choice at the moment for lower end cards. The RX 460 offers similar power consumption and performance to the 1050 but twice as much memory and freesync support. The RX 470 is also notably faster than the 1050ti, although also more expensive.

nVidia do better in a few areas like streaming though, so they can't be completely discounted.

jmn16091990

RAM: (8GB or 16GB)
?????

16GB is nice, but 8GB will do. Make sure you go for dual channel and DDR4-2400+ as a few games are starting to show up that can occasionally use higher memory bandwidth.

jmn16091990

OS: Windows 10 OEM

You'll need a retail version for personal use, but the difference in price is minimal. A retail version also allows you to change components and move it to other computers.
#8
If you're not stretching the system that much I would go for an older platform like the 1155 i5 2400.

Board + CPU/FAN + 8GB DDR3 £139.99
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intel-DQ67EP-ITX-Motherboard-CORE-I5-2400-QUAD-3-4GHz-8GB-DDR3-USB-3-0-/272520782617?hash=item3f73812319:g:~JAAAOSw2xRYePWu

Then just get a reasonable GPU and save yourself a lot of money.
#9
Thank you to everyone for their answers


majdzinski1979:
Are you talking about Intel NUC? I've seen that briefly. They're nice but pricey.
How significant of a price drop do you expect them to have on mainstream computing? I'm not sure on the idea of waiting
#10
jmn16091990
Thank you to everyone for their answers
majdzinski1979:
Are you talking about Intel NUC? I've seen that briefly. They're nice but pricey.
How significant of a price drop do you expect them to have on mainstream computing? I'm not sure on the idea of waiting
If your anything like me, waiting 2-3 months is a big NO! :P
I'd go Intel / Nvidia at this point.
If your not too fused about used parts you can save a bit there.
Should be able to get an i5 with a 1050ti, 8GB RAM, Small SSD and extra HDD for around what your looking
#11
jmn16091990
Thank you to everyone for their answers


majdzinski1979:
Are you talking about Intel NUC? I've seen that briefly. They're nice but pricey.
How significant of a price drop do you expect them to have on mainstream computing? I'm not sure on the idea of waiting


No. AMD coming up with AM4 platform and RYZEN cpu. They supposed to be big competitors to LGA 1151. Which means price drop. Especially on second hand AM3 or LGA 1150/1155 platforms.
#12
majdzinski1979
jmn16091990
Thank you to everyone for their answers


majdzinski1979:
Are you talking about Intel NUC? I've seen that briefly. They're nice but pricey.
How significant of a price drop do you expect them to have on mainstream computing? I'm not sure on the idea of waiting


No. AMD coming up with AM4 platform and RYZEN cpu. They supposed to be big competitors to LGA 1151. Which means price drop. Especially on second hand AM3 or LGA 1150/1155 platforms.


https://youtu.be/nGbC6XLCneU
#13
At the moment I have build for less than your budget .£144 for HP Elitedesk 800 i5-4570 8gb ram plus mu old 500 gb hdd (free) rx 480 8gb nitro + for £240 new psu EVGA 650W. for £40 and adapter for £5 on fleabay l. HP comes with Win 8.1 pro key embedded in bios so there was painless upgrade to W10 pro. I could do this for a lot less using cheaper/ second hand gpu. All depends what you are looking for. In my opinion for new build with all new parts wait. For second hand wait as with new release they will drop in price. Simply people buying newly released kits will sell they old parts. With saturated market prices will fall.
#14
8gb of DDR4 Ram should get you up and running, KabyLake G4560 and a 4gb Radeon Rx 470 seems like the best bang ... for 1080p at Ultra settings in almost all the latest titles. This will use about 300w max whilst gaming, so a decent 400 - 450w psu would suffice.
#15
Deaa:
No I don't like to wait either. I'm leaning towards intel and nvidia to be honest. Personally id rather stay away from the risk of preowned, I don't mind paying a little more for the sake of me being the first one to get something for stuff like this.

majdzinski1979:
Thanks for that example and all your help. I'll hopefully get some time to browse pcpartpicker this weekend and weigh up several options.

bazzadotdoc:
Thanks for the parts suggestions, I'll look into the cost of those and compability with the case I like etc :)

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