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Hi all I'm going to attempt to build my 1st gaming pc I have a budget of £850 for the system. I already have the screens and accessories. I would greatly appreciate some of you helping me out with… Read More
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8m, 5d agoPosted 8 months, 5 days ago
Hi all I'm going to attempt to build my 1st gaming pc I have a budget of £850 for the system. I already have the screens and accessories.

I would greatly appreciate some of you helping me out with the best system that I can get for the 850 I was thinking i5 6600k but apart from that I'm lost as to what the best bang for my buck. So please can I ask for your advice.

Thanks in advance.
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8m, 5d agoPosted 8 months, 5 days ago
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#1
Does your screen support Adaptive Sync (aka Freesync) or G-sync? That'll determine graphics card.

Is this machine purely for gaming or will it also be used for game modding, web browsing or other uses? If it's just for gaming you can get away with just a hard drive, otherwise

If you want a 6600k you're looking along the lines of:
Processor - £210
Cooler - £30
Motherboard - £90
2x8GB DDR4 - £55
240GB SSD - £50
RX 480 8GB - £240
Case - £40
PSU - £40
Windows 10 - £85

Total: £840 leaving a bit extra to spend wherever you fancy (nicer case, more storage etc.)
#2
EndlessWaves
Does your screen support Adaptive Sync (aka Freesync) or G-sync? That'll determine graphics card.

Is this machine purely for gaming or will it also be used for game modding, web browsing or other uses? If it's just for gaming you can get away with just a hard drive, otherwise

If you want a 6600k you're looking along the lines of:
Processor - £210
Cooler - £30
Motherboard - £90
2x8GB DDR4 - £55
240GB SSD - £50
RX 480 8GB - £240
Case - £40
PSU - £40
Windows 10 - £85

Total: £840 leaving a bit extra to spend wherever you fancy (nicer case, more storage etc.)


Hi endlesswaves

Firstly thanks for helping out. It's going to be for watching kodi some basic web browsing and downloading etc but mostly gaming. I've ordered 2x curved lg monitors.

Is the rx480 better than say a gtx970, I do plan on picking up a gtx1080 in say 6-8 mths once then drop in price.

What motherboard would be good for future proof ways. I'm hoping this will last me for 3 years. I'm moving from console ps4 and Xbox one so I'm hoping this is a step up graphics ways I really like to be playing 4k.

Can you recommend a great cooler and PSU please
#3
FreeSync and 21:9 UltraWide

Stats from the lg monitors
#4
to be fair. if your using it for kodi aswell then I'm pretty sure the £85 for "genuine" windows 10 can be better spent elsewhere!
#5
ripwave1
to be fair. if your using it for kodi aswell then I'm pretty sure the £85 for "genuine" windows 10 can be better spent elsewhere!


Hi ripwave, where would you think I should put the 80 in to better graphics card if so what would you recommend.??
#6
Look at this on eBay:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121761687922

Z170 I5 6600K Quad Core Gaming Pc Computer 1tb 16Gb AMD RX 460 4GB G3

Found this last night on eBay what's your thoughts on it.

£648

Put the rest in to a better card ???

Edited By: jamesturley30 on Sep 18, 2016 11:14: Edit
#7
jamesturley30
Hi ripwave, where would you think I should put the 80 in to better graphics card if so what would you recommend.??

Spend it on Windows 10. DirectX 12 will be at least as big an improvement as another £80 worth of graphics card.

jamesturley30
Is the rx480 better than say a gtx970, I do plan on picking up a gtx1080 in say 6-8 mths once then drop in price.

The 480 is the same performance as a 970 but newer so it adds stuff like low power HEVC Main10 decoding. You definitely want to stick to AMD cards if you've bought Freesync monitors as the nVidia output will look less smooth at the same frame rate. AMD should be releasing their "Vega" competitors to the 1070/1080/1080ti in a few months.

jamesturley30
What motherboard would be good for future proof ways. I'm hoping this will last me for 3 years.

That depends on what you're trying to future proof.

If you're going to be adding additional hardware like expansion cards and drives then motherboard choice can make a difference.

If you're only likely to be replacing existing hardware then it won't matter. CPU sockets change frequently and graphics cards are compatible with all motherboards.

You'll need to shell out for a Z170 board if you want a 6600k and you'll want a DDR4 motherboard (as almost all of them are).

Three years is a given these days. Even after three years you're only likely to need to replace the graphics card if the hardware focus continues to be where it has been over the last three years.

jamesturley30
Can you recommend a great cooler and PSU please

That'll depend on your choice of case. If you opt for a small one you'll want a low profile cooler and SFX power supply, if it's a larger one then a tower cooler and ATX power supply.

Generally anything around those prices is pretty good, although avoid any PSUs that claim really high capacities at £30-40 (700W+)
#8
I don't get why EndlessWaves is pointing you towards AMD here. Their 480 is a dog, and is slower, more expensive, and consumes more energy than nVidia's 1060 6GB. DX12 might help to lessen the gap in the future, but there's not much evidence yet to suggest it'll make much difference outside of synthetic benchmarks.

Regarding Vega, describing it as being a 1080ti competitor that's 'a few months away' is a tiny bit indigenous. AMD's roadmap now puts it at launching some time in H1 2017, which puts it the best part of a year away. It being a competitor for any of nVidia's upcoming releases (including the 1100 series, which is likely to launch not long after Vega) is also a little optimistic, considering how much of a failure the company's previous HBM GPU was.
#9
Hi dxx

Thanks for your info,

What would you for In your build with the same budget.

I'm keen to build it myself as most friends say it cheaper and fun. I'm just bambazooled by the different components and CPUs etc. But I'm almost settled on an i5 6600k and an invidia gtx 970 or and gtx 1060 apart form that I would greatly appreciate your advice also.
#10
dxx
I don't get why EndlessWaves is pointing you towards AMD here. Their 480 is a dog, and is slower, more expensive, and consumes more energy than nVidia's 1060 6GB. DX12 might help to lessen the gap in the future, but there's not much evidence yet to suggest it'll make much difference outside of synthetic benchmarks.

Regarding Vega, describing it as being a 1080ti competitor that's 'a few months away' is a tiny bit indigenous. AMD's roadmap now puts it at launching some time in H1 2017, which puts it the best part of a year away. It being a competitor for any of nVidia's upcoming releases (including the 1100 series, which is likely to launch not long after Vega) is also a little optimistic, considering how much of a failure the company's previous HBM GPU was.


How would you build it with £850, thanks for any advice.
#11
jamesturley30
Hi dxx
Thanks for your info,
What would you for In your build with the same budget.
I'm keen to build it myself as most friends say it cheaper and fun. I'm just bambazooled by the different components and CPUs etc. But I'm almost settled on an i5 6600k and an invidia gtx 970 or and gtx 1060 apart form that I would greatly appreciate your advice also.

I'd say you're good as you are, except for the GPU. It's unlikely that the 1080 is going to come down in price - nVidia's cards are already selling like hotcakes and they have no competition above the midrange of the market, and as we saw with the 900 generation, there were no real price drops from launch up to EO. Even if it did drop 10%, you'd still likely be down on your money because of the money you'd lose by buying a 1060 and bouncing it to the 2nd hand market. I'd go with the 1070, unless you're prepared to pay the premium for a relatively slim performance boost.
#12
dxx
I don't get why EndlessWaves is pointing you towards AMD here. Their 480 is a dog, and is slower, more expensive, and consumes more energy than nVidia's 1060 6GB. DX12 might help to lessen the gap in the future, but there's not much evidence yet to suggest it'll make much difference outside of synthetic benchmarks.

It's slightly cheaper or the same price as the GTX 1060, not more expensive.

The GTX 1060 is a couple of dozen watts less powerful, but they're both extremely inefficient, consuming twice as much power as the next most power hungry component in the system. Right now comparing power consumption of mid-range graphics cards is like comparing fuel consumption of sports cars.

While nVidia have set up the GTX 1060's clock speeds to give it a marginal edge in benchmarks it's about 5-10%, too small to notice if you're not comparing them side by side. What you will notice is the lack of smoothness because it doesn't support the variable refresh rate feature of your monitor (freesync). That's the reason that the 1060 is a bad choice - because the final result would be inferior even though it's producing marginally higher framerates.

dxx
Regarding Vega, describing it as being a 1080ti competitor that's 'a few months away' is a tiny bit indigenous. AMD's roadmap now puts it at launching some time in H1 2017, which puts it the best part of a year away.

Indigenous? I think you mean Ingenuous there.

I seem to remember the rumours for the 7970 series put it in H1 2012 and that ended up launching on the 9th of January. It could be early or late, and given that (some of) the competition is already out I'd say earlier is likely than later.

dxx
(including the 1100 series, which is likely to launch not long after Vega)

Graphics cards generally launch 18 months to two years apart. The GTX 1080 was launched at the end of May so the earliest time we're likely to see it's replacement is November 2017. There may be a clock speed bumped 1100 branded version using the same chip out before then but the 1080ti hasn't even launched yet so nVidia won't want to be declaring the 1000 series old hat too soon.

dxx
It being a competitor for any of nVidia's upcoming releases is also a little optimistic, considering how much of a failure the company's previous HBM GPU was.

"How much of a failure"? I think you need to revisit the benchmarks for it. For example as of writing this is Techpowerup's latest review:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_1060_STRIX_OC/26.html

You can see that the Fury X beats the competing 980ti at resolutions you're likely to run it at and the cheaper Fury gets close at 3840x2160, with the latter also turning in slightly better performance per watt:
https://tpucdn.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_1060_STRIX_OC/images/perfwatt_3840_2160.png

The 980ti was better overall but the gulf wasn't huge. That, combined with AMD apparently making larger improvements at mainstream than nVidia for this generation, means that I wouldn't dismiss Vega until you see what it has to offer.
#13
EndlessWaves
dxx
I don't get why EndlessWaves is pointing you towards AMD here. Their 480 is a dog, and is slower, more expensive, and consumes more energy than nVidia's 1060 6GB. DX12 might help to lessen the gap in the future, but there's not much evidence yet to suggest it'll make much difference outside of synthetic benchmarks.

It's slightly cheaper or the same price as the GTX 1060, not more expensive.

The GTX 1060 is a couple of dozen watts less powerful, but they're both extremely inefficient, consuming twice as much power as the next most power hungry component in the system. Right now comparing power consumption of mid-range graphics cards is like comparing fuel consumption of sports cars.

While nVidia have set up the GTX 1060's clock speeds to give it a marginal edge in benchmarks it's about 5-10%, too small to notice if you're not comparing them side by side. What you will notice is the lack of smoothness because it doesn't support the variable refresh rate feature of your monitor (freesync). That's the reason that the 1060 is a bad choice - because the final result would be inferior even though it's producing marginally higher framerates.

dxx
Regarding Vega, describing it as being a 1080ti competitor that's 'a few months away' is a tiny bit indigenous. AMD's roadmap now puts it at launching some time in H1 2017, which puts it the best part of a year away.

Indigenous? I think you mean Ingenuous there.

I seem to remember the rumours for the 7970 series put it in H1 2012 and that ended up launching on the 9th of January. It could be early or late, and given that (some of) the competition is already out I'd say earlier is likely than later.

dxx
(including the 1100 series, which is likely to launch not long after Vega)

Graphics cards generally launch 18 months to two years apart. The GTX 1080 was launched at the end of May so the earliest time we're likely to see it's replacement is November 2017. There may be a clock speed bumped 1100 branded version using the same chip out before then but the 1080ti hasn't even launched yet so nVidia won't want to be declaring the 1000 series old hat too soon.

dxx
It being a competitor for any of nVidia's upcoming releases is also a little optimistic, considering how much of a failure the company's previous HBM GPU was.

"How much of a failure"? I think you need to revisit the benchmarks for it. For example as of writing this is Techpowerup's latest review:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_1060_STRIX_OC/26.html

You can see that the Fury X beats the competing 980ti at resolutions you're likely to run it at and the cheaper Fury gets close at 3840x2160, with the latter also turning in slightly better performance per watt:
https://tpucdn.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_1060_STRIX_OC/images/perfwatt_3840_2160.png

The 980ti was better overall but the gulf wasn't huge. That, combined with AMD apparently making larger improvements at mainstream than nVidia for this generation, means that I wouldn't dismiss Vega until you see what it has to offer.


I couldn't have put it better myself
#14
dxx
I don't get why EndlessWaves is pointing you towards AMD here. Their 480 is a dog, and is slower, more expensive, and consumes more energy than nVidia's 1060 6GB. DX12 might help to lessen the gap in the future, but there's not much evidence yet to suggest it'll make much difference outside of synthetic benchmarks.

Regarding Vega, describing it as being a 1080ti competitor that's 'a few months away' is a tiny bit indigenous. AMD's roadmap now puts it at launching some time in H1 2017, which puts it the best part of a year away. It being a competitor for any of nVidia's upcoming releases (including the 1100 series, which is likely to launch not long after Vega) is also a little optimistic, considering how much of a failure the company's previous HBM GPU was.


Hitman, Deus ex and Rise of the tomb raider have all shown improvement using dx12 in comparison to dx11. While Nvidia performance generally doesn't change
#15
Okay so far it's looking like

I5 6600k

Gtx 1060 or amd480 ???

16gb ram .... Which type ddr4 or 5 etc

PSU ....please can someone recommend a great one as the forums are all over the place on this topic. Was thinking a cm650 is that any good.

Also Asus gaming pro motherboard z170 is this ok.

Case ways I'm hoping for a white one to match my desk so if anyone know of a good one to recommend was thinking larger one so that I can add to it in time.

Thanks again folks for all your help so far.

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