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Evening All, Just going through some paperwork provided by my ex received from the CSA for an upcoming hearing. He has provided his last payslip for December 2014 which shows his gross pay and net … Read More
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3m, 3w agoPosted 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Evening All,

Just going through some paperwork provided by my ex received from the CSA for an upcoming hearing. He has provided his last payslip for December 2014 which shows his gross pay and net pay and tax paid of £33,132.92. He was then made redundant but did not claim any benefit until 12 March 2015. My question is: he has provided a P60 (as directed by the court to determine how much income he received that year) dated 25 April 2015 showing pay £0 and benefit received amount of £268.92 with no tax payable due to his personal tax allowance of £10k. Should there not be another P60 detailing/including the £33,132.92?
Any help appreciated as I really am baffled.
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3m, 3w agoPosted 3 months, 3 weeks ago
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#1
Simply put, yes. And he will have received a P45 on his termination for his other job. If he submits that and claims that shows his only earnings for the year he's committing fraud.
#2
Thank god I'm not going mad.
so if he earnt in excess of 100k that year plus 90k redundancy, do you think he would qualify for JSA?
banned#3
yes

call hmrc & ask them for a letter. They can tell you your earnings for 2014-2015

Edited By: YouDontWantToKnow on Feb 27, 2017 20:22
#4
It's not my earnings it's my ex husbands earnings that are being contested as since dec 2014 the csa has determined that he pays nil child maintenance due to the information given to them by my ex. Unfortunately it's down to me to prove otherwise at the tribunal so any help appreciated.
#5
Yes your ex would've got Jsa based on his contributions paid, but only for a max of 182 days (6 months) Then he would've had to claim income based Jsa & declare any savings, or any other income ie part time work or partners income if he was living with someone

Edited By: elainedonnelly4 on Feb 27, 2017 20:47: Added a few extra comments
banned#6
elainedonnelly4
Yes your ex would've got Jsa based on his contributions paid

Only if he claimed it. Its not compulsory.
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Toptrumpet
It's not my earnings it's my ex husbands earnings that are being contested as since dec 2014 the csa has determined that he pays nil child maintenance due to the information given to them by my ex. Unfortunately it's down to me to prove otherwise at the tribunal so any help appreciated.

Yes. You are a P60 short.

As for redundancy. Pretty sure you have no claim on that. Apart from the notice period.
#8
I'm confused not really sure if he has paid the correct amounts upto Dec 2014. and then lost his job and didn't claim anything for all that period I assume he won't need pay anything and the benefits he recieved after this date amount to 7 pounds a week so not much.
#9
Who issued the P60 dated April 2015?
#10
The P60 looks like it has been issued by the BA/DSS which I'm assuming has something to do with Jobcentre Plus as the P45 also submitted is dated 12 March 2015 which ties in to the low benefit amount on the P60 dated nearly 6 weeks later.
When he left employment in December 2014 would there also have been a P45 issued then and that may also be missing?
#11
I just need to prove he had assets exceeding £65k (excluding his main residence) during the tax year ending April 2015 and from there the CSA can calculate any monies owed.
At the earlier hearing he simply stated he couldn't remember that far back and would try to be helpful in providing any documentation as to earnings, shares, accounts, premium bonds etc but so far the only information he's provided is scant to say the least.
#12
The wage slip from Dec 2014 is your proof for that financial year. The company he worked for should have issued him a P45 after his contract was terminated, but he may not have received a P60 - see HMRC quote:

"Give a P60 to all employees on your payroll who are working for you on the last day of the tax year (5 April). The P60 summarises their total pay and deductions for the year. You must give your employees a P60 by 31 May."

He was not on the payroll on 5th April, so may not have automatically had this.

If December 2014 was his last month at work for that financial year, the info contained on this wage slip is the same as the info that would have been issued on a P60 anyway... (if you're trying to find redundancy payments, these may have been tax free, as up to £30k is).

"The first £30,000 of redundancy pay is tax free. Whether it's statutory (see above) or contractual redundancy pay, the first £30,000 you receive is tax free, and no national insurance contributions are deducted either".
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MynameisM
I'm confused not really sure if he has paid the correct amounts upto Dec 2014. and then lost his job and didn't claim anything for all that period I assume he won't need pay anything and the benefits he recieved after this date amount to 7 pounds a week so not much.

You cant claim benefit until after your notice period & holiday period has ended

eg he had two months notice period & 3 weeks holiday left & he finished 22nd of dec.

IE benefit starts 15th ish of March.
#14
On other paperwork between my ex and his employers HR department it looks like his redundancy was around 90k, but I don't have any evidence of it being paid to him hence why I think that a P60 issued by his employer might not have made it into the CSA paperwork. Just thinking that post one might be nearer the mark.
#15
Anyway, thanks for all your answers
Just collating a list of questions to ask at the tribunal, hopefully the judge will get to the bottom of it for me.
#16
He would have had a P60 at the end of the tax year from his employer of the benefits agency if he was claiming. If he left a job during a tax year he would have been given a P45. You need a P60 for each tax year or a P45, they are all filed at the tax office by the companies as well so he can ask for a copy of his own records if he does not have them.
#17
googley2
He would have had a P60 at the end of the tax year from his employer of the benefits agency if he was claiming. If he left a job during a tax year he would have been given a P45. You need a P60 for each tax year or a P45, they are all filed at the tax office by the companies as well so he can ask for a copy of his own records if he does not have them.
You are missing P45 from his leaving the job - no wonder he doesnt want to show it, the P60 is so low as that would have been bits left that were due to be paid out to him, ie holiday day balance.
#18
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On other paperwork between my ex and his employers HR department it looks like his redundancy was around 90k, but I don't have any evidence of it being paid to him hence why I think that a P60 issued by his employer might not have made it into the CSA paperwork. Just thinking that post one might be nearer the mark.

The redundancy pay is not likely to be classed as 'earnings' and therefore would not be included in a CSA calculation anyway unless you highlight this as being relevant for a specific reason.
#19
I don't know your personal circumstances and I am no expert on tax but it seems very sad to me that any parent should abdicate responsibility for their childrens' upbringing just because of a relationship breakup . Hope you get it sorted.
#20
As I understand it the P60 should show previous earnings for:the whole tax year from all employers. It does rely on the P45 being given to the new employer in this case it seems the BA/DWP/DSS didn't get it.

Edit. I am surprised they don't get the figures from HMRC. I'd be wondering if it's genuine.

Edited By: developers on Feb 28, 2017 08:14: Second thoughts
#21
When the CSA ceases to exist and the new Child Maintenance Service takes over they will have instant access to HMRC so then they can see if the information supplied by the paying parent is correct at source. Unfortunately until that happens the CSA goes on verbal information given as the paying parent has the right to be believed and it up to the receiving parent to prove otherwise. The booklets that are sent out by the CSA are written as if you were the paying parent and only give 1 page on how to appeal a payment decision.
The appeal process is long winded and flawed, from appeal to tribunal is roughly 2 years and that is why I need to fully understand the evidence provided as the hearing is only for 3 hours. The other problem I have is that my ex husband has now found a new job on zero hours contract and is no longer claiming benefits but I cannot prove what hours if any he now works.
In hindsight after 18 years of marriage I wish I had made a one off maintenance payment agreement to cover the cost of the children for the remaining 10 years rather than letting the CSA get involved.
Just going through some bank statements provided but most of the description details are blanked out although the payments are shown. In Dec 2015 the a/c balance is shown as £70,596.30 clearly in excess of the 65k assets threshold but obviously the CSA have no record.
It's just mind boggling but I have to carry on as the children are now teenagers and I feel that he has a moral obligation to contribute.

Again Thankyou everyone that has contributed to this thread.
#22
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When the CSA ceases to exist and the new Child Maintenance Service takes over they will have instant access to HMRC so then they can see if the information supplied by the paying parent is correct at source. Unfortunately until that happens the CSA goes on verbal information given as the paying parent has the right to be believed and it up to the receiving parent to prove otherwise. The booklets that are sent out by the CSA are written as if you were the paying parent and only give 1 page on how to appeal a payment decision.
The appeal process is long winded and flawed, from appeal to tribunal is roughly 2 years and that is why I need to fully understand the evidence provided as the hearing is only for 3 hours. The other problem I have is that my ex husband has now found a new job on zero hours contract and is no longer claiming benefits but I cannot prove what hours if any he now works.
In hindsight after 18 years of marriage I wish I had made a one off maintenance payment agreement to cover the cost of the children for the remaining 10 years rather than letting the CSA get involved.
Just going through some bank statements provided but most of the description details are blanked out although the payments are shown. In Dec 2015 the a/c balance is shown as £70,596.30 clearly in excess of the 65k assets threshold but obviously the CSA have no record.
It's just mind boggling but I have to carry on as the children are now teenagers and I feel that he has a moral obligation to contribute.
Again Thankyou everyone that has contributed to this thread.

It must be very difficult. Hopefully the CSA will be of some help - make sure you take all evidence you have
#23
That P60 is from the 12 March 2015 to 5th April 2015 and only from the DHSS. He should also have a P45 from ex employer for that year. He's trying it on. Ask the court to get him to show his P45 for that year.

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