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I am after a little advise. I recently sold my Linn and invested in Sonos. The flexibility and use ability of Sonos is fantastic but the audio quality is not on a par with HI-FI and is affecting… Read More
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3m, 3w agoPosted 3 months, 3 weeks ago
I am after a little advise.

I recently sold my Linn and invested in Sonos.

The flexibility and use ability of Sonos is fantastic but the audio quality is not on a par with HI-FI and is affecting my listening pleasure.

So does anything exist that:

Sounds awesome
Streams from a NAS
Has a good streaming interface
Doesn't put gaps between mp3s
And absolute best...
Is an AV receiver too.

Or am I on a different planet?
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3m, 3w agoPosted 3 months, 3 weeks ago
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#1
When you find the AV you want, you might then want to get the Sonos Connect or Connect Amp depending on your set up. That way you get best of both worlds.
#2
rhinopaul
When you find the AV you want, you might then want to get the Sonos Connect or Connect Amp depending on your set up. That way you get best of both worlds.


Is the connect any good, is it just the Sonos speakers letting it down?
#3
It will never be as good as a wired system but it is dependent on the speakers. I have a Connect in my living room and just use Play 1's in every other room.
#4
You don't mention a budget but the following is the way to get the best from Sonos:-
1. Use the Sonos Connect
2. Take the digital out into a good DAC - something like the little Arcam ir DAC will make a big difference
3. Plug it into a good amplifier - unless you are spending significant sums, an AV amplifier will not sound as good for Hi-Fi sound as a dedicated 2 channel amp but you pays your money and makes your choice !
Alternatively, you can look at Streamers from the likes of Naim & Linn but your budget then needs to be in the 1000's not the 100's.
Final advice - make sure you go and have a listen before you buy.....
#5
I don't really have space for two set ups, and I want both :(

Am I kidding myself with 320 MP3 files too?

I am open to budget (thinking around 2K)

I think I am bought off on the Sonos connect (although I presumed it had a DAC?)

Might go for the Denon and Q7000i plus set up in the other thread.
#6
allginger
I don't really have space for two set ups, and I want both :(
Am I kidding myself with 320 MP3 files too?
I am open to budget (thinking around 2K)
I think I am bought off on the Sonos connect (although I presumed it had a DAC?)
Might go for the Denon and Q7000i plus set up in the other thread.

I'd drop MP3 for Ogg or go for a lossless formats like the ones below.
FLAC/ALAC/DVD-Audio/Bluray for LPCM or SACD/DSF/DFF for DSD
#7
I love my Sonos for my requirements but high end AV like Linn is in another league.
I'm suprised you bought the sonos in all honesty.
I love the way the sonos links up in all my rooms and the app is second to none.
Have a look over on the AV forums.
#8
sounds not going to be on the level you expect I'm my opinion, again it's good enough for me as I'm not used to high end sound.
MP3 will not cut it for you.

Edited By: Managers on Dec 31, 2016 13:29: error
#9
Managers
I love my Sonos for my requirements but high end AV like Linn is in another league.
I'm suprised you bought the sonos in all honesty.
I love the way the sonos links up in all my rooms and the app is second to none.
Have a look over on the AV forums.


I did it for convenience and its simplicity of use.

Come in press play favourite rock station plays straight away. It is fine for "general" listening. The only issue I have is when I want to LISTEN to an album.

Don't think I will go back to changing CDs again and the litter they produce.

It is a real dichotomy.
#10
To be honest you only need something to bitstream the audio to a good AV amp so a cheap android box/raspberry pi 3 with the right software should be able to play back most high end audio over HDMI and the high quality DAC in the amp will output bit perfect sound.
#11
kester76
To be honest you only need something to bitstream the audio to a good AV amp so a cheap android box/raspberry pi 3 with the right software should be able to play back most high end audio over HDMI and the high quality DAC in the amp will output bit perfect sound.



Think I am going to go fit the Denon AVR x2300 but going to do some research on the Q7000i speakers.

With the Sonos connect and maybe a DAC.

Going to go have a listen in the New Year.
#12
wasn't meant to come across as it sounded.
the simplicity aspect is amazing and not having to change cds even better.
#13
allginger
kester76
To be honest you only need something to bitstream the audio to a good AV amp so a cheap android box/raspberry pi 3 with the right software should be able to play back most high end audio over HDMI and the high quality DAC in the amp will output bit perfect sound.
Think I am going to go fit the Denon AVR x2300 but going to do some research on the Q7000i speakers.
With the Sonos connect and maybe a DAC.
Going to go have a listen in the New Year.
Q acoustics is a good budget brand which is the old Mission R&D team that got aquired by Amour Home Electronics that make the QED speaker cables. Pretty much Mission got taken over and they sacked the whole team oO

I would recommend buying a B.K. Electronics subwoofer off ebay. B.K. make great subwoofers and used to make most of the REL subwoofers out there as well.
http://www.bkelec.com/index.htm
I own a xl200-DF which is an amazing subwoofer for its price.
#14
A common conundrum.
MP3 are ok but obviously not as good as Apple Lossless or Flac files. If you still have the cd's, may be worth rerecording your favourite albums using a better quality format.
The Sonos Connect does have its own DAC but as you can imagine, in a piece of (relatively) budget equipment, the DAC will be ok rather than great. All I can say is try it without and then with using a DAC and see what you think. The benefit of this upgrade is that you can do it later if you want/when funds allow....
In terms of AV receivers, it may be out of budget but I would definitely have a listen to an Arcam if you can (I don't work for Arcam BTW)....
Good luck !
#15
Thanks guys, some 2017 research to be done

Happy New Year
#16
I only use Flac and it sounds fine for me, then again I also don't fall for the Sonos over hyped price I just use Panasonic.

Try Flac, get an adaptor to play your music though a decent hifi to your Sonos speakers direct from the cd or vinyl

Edited By: PulisOut on Dec 31, 2016 16:03
#17
the best option I found is to rip CD's in lossless FLAC format to a PC or laptop, buy a synology NAS, transfer FLAC files on to it. Install DS audio on your phone. then get a Google chromecast audio connected to AUX on amplifier (sometimes Curry's sell them for £15), then stream the FLAC files to the chromecast to the amp. Sounds complicated but once set up works seamlessly. I've mine connected to a marantz amp and Boston speakers and sound is just like listening to CD's.
#18
PulisOut
I only use Flac and it sounds fine for me, then again I also don't fall for the Sonos over hyped price I just use Panasonic.
Try Flac, get an adaptor to play your music though a decent hifi to your Sonos speakers direct from the cd or vinyl

Nothing wrong with Sonos mate, worth the money in my opinion. I wouldn't say it was overpriced and it does a good job.
#19
Managers
PulisOut
I only use Flac and it sounds fine for me, then again I also don't fall for the Sonos over hyped price I just use Panasonic.
Try Flac, get an adaptor to play your music though a decent hifi to your Sonos speakers direct from the cd or vinyl

Nothing wrong with Sonos mate, worth the money in my opinion. I wouldn't say it was overpriced and it does a good job.


I concur it is awesome, just not HiFi. If I could get something that worked as well but sounded better I would be happy.

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