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Is it illegal to watch streaming movies on sites,apps and Kodi?

jfowler Avatar
11m, 1w agoPosted 11 months, 1 week ago
Hi
Just wanted to know if anyone has an informed opinion on the thousands watching pirated streams on the web,apps,Kodi,etc. Right now screeners of all recent movies available to watch ;)

Not aware of a single case where anyone has been fined for watching (not downloading) a streamed movie or TV episode. There is no downloading and hence no further sharing of media unlike downloading torrents.The German govt had a ruling on it a few months back : https://torrentfreak.com/viewing-pirated-streams-is-not-illegal-german-govt-says-140109/

Recent article on The Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/household-bills/11649188/Could-you-be-fined-for-illegally-streaming-movies-or-TV-shows.html

One argument is that almost everything online may be copyrighted in some way and it goes to the very essence of internet to not stop it. On the other hand clicking on Genesis,Showbox or TPB suggests a deliberate attempt towards something illegal.
Any opinions or evidence of action?
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11m, 1w agoPosted 11 months, 1 week ago
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jimhuf
Is it illegal to watch or only illegal to distribute? In my opinion once a program has aired on free to air tv it should be considered public domain, at the point of broadcast the owner has to accept they lose all control over that material.
I dont really think you've thought about what you just wrote much! oO

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#1
oh it's illegal alright but how will they enforce it??? its virtually impossible if you use a good vpn
#2
Using a VPN to stream....... what
#3
I think its more of a stop the people uploading pirated stuff it then those watching, kill the source and ull kill the demand, but how to go about that is an endless battle
#4
qavi23
Using a VPN to stream....... what


​your telling me that you isp cant monitor traffic coming into your house lol
#5
It's not illegal to stream. It's illegal to download.
#6
Vpn or no vpn - anyone know of cases filed against users,etc ?
Have any courts decided on it or are any pirate trolls hounding anyone streaming movies in any country?

Regarding vpn, Not all use vpn for all devices, many vpns are unreliable inspite of kill switch, leaks from vpn are far too common,etc
#7
EU court ruling a few weeks ago deemed the consumer of the streamed media to be committing no offence under current legislation. I'll find the link, hold on

Edited By: Derby_Lad on Dec 28, 2015 12:47
banned#8
I wouldn't if I were u. It's best to pay!
#9
It is illegal. By streaming a film online (which by the way is the same as downloading - it's just deleting it as you watch) you are financially compromising the copyright holder as you would normally pay to view it which oils earn them money. You or anyone can put forward a multitude of arguments / case laws but this is ultimately the stance. Ultimately though, the police and trading standards have got better things to do then trying to track you down for viewing a few films.
#10
Exactly, the problem is pinpointing who, where and when streamed illegal content. it's just impossible to state which person in the household streamed the content, or whos to say the network wasnt hijacked. It's just not feasible so the way is to kill the source, which is what's happening lately
banned#11
Kodi on the firestick is something else btw!
#12
Can't find it.
#13
Derby_Lad
EU court ruling a few weeks ago deemed the consumer of the streamed media to be committing no offence under current legislation. I'll find the link, hold on

ktm666
It is illegal. By streaming a film online (which by the way is the same as downloading - it's just deleting it as you watch) you are financially compromising the copyright holder as you would normally pay to view it which oils earn them money. You or anyone can put forward a multitude of arguments / case laws but this is ultimately the stance. Ultimately though, the police and trading standards have got better things to do then trying to track you down for viewing a few films.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_aspects_of_downloading_and_streaming

There you go.
#14
yeh downloading illegal content is different to watching it online, downloading illegal content and being found in possession of it can put u in the spotlight
#15
Just as its illegal to rip cd's to mp3 - video tape the tv and record the charts on sunday (now friday) to tape and show movies in schools :)
#16
infiltrate362436
I wouldn't if I were u. It's best to pay!

Agreed.No one is advocating piracy here.Each to his or her own. One can also see how certain TV shows and movies may be watched earlier in certain countries just to bypass the crazy time release schedule from Hollywood.

But remember right now the Courts have not decided that it is illegal yet.They understand that media and times are changing fast. If you outlaw media site, what about youtube videos,vimeo,etc. Almost every media belonged to someone or some company and have a copyright. Its a hazy online world out there and every ruling has repercussions.

Also can you be charged for something when the Courts themselves have not deemed it illegal although to all intents it does feel wrong ?

Any evidence towards one or the other?
#17
stuarthanley
Derby_Lad
EU court ruling a few weeks ago deemed the consumer of the streamed media to be committing no offence under current legislation. I'll find the link, hold on

ktm666
It is illegal. By streaming a film online (which by the way is the same as downloading - it's just deleting it as you watch) you are financially compromising the copyright holder as you would normally pay to view it which oils earn them money. You or anyone can put forward a multitude of arguments / case laws but this is ultimately the stance. Ultimately though, the police and trading standards have got better things to do then trying to track you down for viewing a few films.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_aspects_of_downloading_and_streaming

There you go.


Ah, the always correct wikipedia! Streaming media is just as illegal as downloading it. In the same way as watching a pirate dvd is just as illegal as selling it.
Legally, it's the same technicality as stealing a car, driving a stolen car and handling a stolen car.
#18
its complicated lol
#19
djnaff
Just as its illegal to rip cd's to mp3 - video tape the tv and record the charts on sunday (now friday) to tape and show movies in schools :)

I completely agree with that view personally; however .......have a look at this article about streaming music that you don't own! http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_3090000/newsid_3093100/3093138.stm

Its a harder question than it appears simply because the answer affects so many fields and media.(_;)
#20
stuarthanley
It's not illegal to stream. It's illegal to download.


Streaming *is* downloading, so yes, it is illegal. The difference is with streaming it gets deleted automatically after the cached part of the video has been watched, meaning it isn't being stored on your machine for long. So yes, streaming is illegal. The thing is, most anti piracy agencies would rather target anyone supplying the video, so for example with torrents you are sharing automatically, you can't download a torrent without uploading as you go, so torrenters are far more at risk than people watching something as they stream it. It doesn't mean streaming is legal, it just means there is far lower risks involved than other methods of obtaining pirated videos.
#21
stuarthanley
It's not illegal to stream. It's illegal to download.
To see stream your downloading.
#22
ktm666
stuarthanley
Derby_Lad
EU court ruling a few weeks ago deemed the consumer of the streamed media to be committing no offence under current legislation. I'll find the link, hold on
ktm666
It is illegal. By streaming a film online (which by the way is the same as downloading - it's just deleting it as you watch) you are financially compromising the copyright holder as you would normally pay to view it which oils earn them money. You or anyone can put forward a multitude of arguments / case laws but this is ultimately the stance. Ultimately though, the police and trading standards have got better things to do then trying to track you down for viewing a few films.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_aspects_of_downloading_and_streaming
There you go.
Ah, the always correct wikipedia! Streaming media is just as illegal as downloading it. In the same way as watching a pirate dvd is just as illegal as selling it.
Legally, it's the same technicality as stealing a car, driving a stolen car and handling a stolen car.

The legality of streaming videos in Europe is currently unclear because of a ruling by the CJEU last year that temporary copies of online content do not require the copyright holder's permission, which some argue also applies to streaming.

Sources if you can be bothered reading the ruling in Dutch lol. English Translation

http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2015/10/eus-highest-court-asked-to-rule-on-whether-streamed-pirated-films-are-legal/


Edited By: cecilmcroberts on Dec 28, 2015 13:18
#23
moley
qavi23
Using a VPN to stream....... what
​your telling me that you isp cant monitor traffic coming into your house lol
there is nothing to "lol"... and yes by using VPN (encrypted) your ISP cannot monitor the content.

Edited By: suchitmehta7 on Dec 28, 2015 13:17
#24
Daytrader
stuarthanley
It's not illegal to stream. It's illegal to download.
To see stream your downloading.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_aspects_of_downloading_and_streaming

Again
#25
suchitmehta7
moley
qavi23
Using a VPN to stream....... what
​your telling me that you isp cant monitor traffic coming into your house lol
there is nothing to "lol"... and yes by using VPN (encrypted) your ISP cannot monitor the content.


Really? Then how are the authorities using this data to convict peados then?
#26
ktm666
stuarthanley
Derby_Lad
EU court ruling a few weeks ago deemed the consumer of the streamed media to be committing no offence under current legislation. I'll find the link, hold on
ktm666
It is illegal. By streaming a film online (which by the way is the same as downloading - it's just deleting it as you watch) you are financially compromising the copyright holder as you would normally pay to view it which oils earn them money. You or anyone can put forward a multitude of arguments / case laws but this is ultimately the stance. Ultimately though, the police and trading standards have got better things to do then trying to track you down for viewing a few films.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_aspects_of_downloading_and_streaming
There you go.
Ah, the always correct wikipedia! Streaming media is just as illegal as downloading it. In the same way as watching a pirate dvd is just as illegal as selling it.
Legally, it's the same technicality as stealing a car, driving a stolen car and handling a stolen car.
Well done for being wrong
#27
cecilmcroberts
ktm666
stuarthanley
Derby_Lad
EU court ruling a few weeks ago deemed the consumer of the streamed media to be committing no offence under current legislation. I'll find the link, hold on
ktm666
It is illegal. By streaming a film online (which by the way is the same as downloading - it's just deleting it as you watch) you are financially compromising the copyright holder as you would normally pay to view it which oils earn them money. You or anyone can put forward a multitude of arguments / case laws but this is ultimately the stance. Ultimately though, the police and trading standards have got better things to do then trying to track you down for viewing a few films.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_aspects_of_downloading_and_streaming
There you go.
Ah, the always correct wikipedia! Streaming media is just as illegal as downloading it. In the same way as watching a pirate dvd is just as illegal as selling it.
Legally, it's the same technicality as stealing a car, driving a stolen car and handling a stolen car.

The legality of streaming videos in Europe is currently unclear because of a ruling by the CJEU last year that temporary copies of online content do not require the copyright holder's permission, which some argue also applies to streaming.

Sources if you can be bothered reading the ruling in Dutch lol. English Translation

http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2015/10/eus-highest-court-asked-to-rule-on-whether-streamed-pirated-films-are-legal/



I've read this in the past and it does confuse things as the cases involve a multitude of 'videos', not just films. However, everyone knows (whether they admit it or not) that streaming / downloading pirated films is illegal.
#28
ktm666
stuarthanley
Derby_Lad
EU court ruling a few weeks ago deemed the consumer of the streamed media to be committing no offence under current legislation. I'll find the link, hold on
ktm666
It is illegal. By streaming a film online (which by the way is the same as downloading - it's just deleting it as you watch) you are financially compromising the copyright holder as you would normally pay to view it which oils earn them money. You or anyone can put forward a multitude of arguments / case laws but this is ultimately the stance. Ultimately though, the police and trading standards have got better things to do then trying to track you down for viewing a few films.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_aspects_of_downloading_and_streaming
There you go.
Ah, the always correct wikipedia! Streaming media is just as illegal as downloading it. In the same way as watching a pirate dvd is just as illegal as selling it.
Legally, it's the same technicality as stealing a car, driving a stolen car and handling a stolen car.

And who would download a car..
#29
stuarthanley
ktm666
stuarthanley
Derby_Lad
EU court ruling a few weeks ago deemed the consumer of the streamed media to be committing no offence under current legislation. I'll find the link, hold on
ktm666
It is illegal. By streaming a film online (which by the way is the same as downloading - it's just deleting it as you watch) you are financially compromising the copyright holder as you would normally pay to view it which oils earn them money. You or anyone can put forward a multitude of arguments / case laws but this is ultimately the stance. Ultimately though, the police and trading standards have got better things to do then trying to track you down for viewing a few films.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_aspects_of_downloading_and_streaming
There you go.
Ah, the always correct wikipedia! Streaming media is just as illegal as downloading it. In the same way as watching a pirate dvd is just as illegal as selling it.
Legally, it's the same technicality as stealing a car, driving a stolen car and handling a stolen car.
Well done for being wrong


Well done on the come back of 2015.
#30
ktm666
cecilmcroberts
ktm666
stuarthanley
Derby_Lad
EU court ruling a few weeks ago deemed the consumer of the streamed media to be committing no offence under current legislation. I'll find the link, hold on
ktm666
It is illegal. By streaming a film online (which by the way is the same as downloading - it's just deleting it as you watch) you are financially compromising the copyright holder as you would normally pay to view it which oils earn them money. You or anyone can put forward a multitude of arguments / case laws but this is ultimately the stance. Ultimately though, the police and trading standards have got better things to do then trying to track you down for viewing a few films.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_aspects_of_downloading_and_streaming
There you go.
Ah, the always correct wikipedia! Streaming media is just as illegal as downloading it. In the same way as watching a pirate dvd is just as illegal as selling it.
Legally, it's the same technicality as stealing a car, driving a stolen car and handling a stolen car.
The legality of streaming videos in Europe is currently unclear because of a ruling by the CJEU last year that temporary copies of online content do not require the copyright holder's permission, which some argue also applies to streaming.
Sources if you can be bothered reading the ruling in Dutch lol. English Translationhttp://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2015/10/eus-highest-court-asked-to-rule-on-whether-streamed-pirated-films-are-legal/
I've read this in the past and it does confuse things as the cases involve a multitude of 'videos', not just films. However, everyone knows (whether they admit it or not) that streaming / downloading pirated films is illegal.
No it isn't.

As has already been pointed out. An EU court ruling has stated that it's legal.
#31
ktm666
cecilmcroberts
ktm666
stuarthanley
Derby_Lad
EU court ruling a few weeks ago deemed the consumer of the streamed media to be committing no offence under current legislation. I'll find the link, hold on
ktm666
It is illegal. By streaming a film online (which by the way is the same as downloading - it's just deleting it as you watch) you are financially compromising the copyright holder as you would normally pay to view it which oils earn them money. You or anyone can put forward a multitude of arguments / case laws but this is ultimately the stance. Ultimately though, the police and trading standards have got better things to do then trying to track you down for viewing a few films.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_aspects_of_downloading_and_streaming
There you go.
Ah, the always correct wikipedia! Streaming media is just as illegal as downloading it. In the same way as watching a pirate dvd is just as illegal as selling it.
Legally, it's the same technicality as stealing a car, driving a stolen car and handling a stolen car.
The legality of streaming videos in Europe is currently unclear because of a ruling by the CJEU last year that temporary copies of online content do not require the copyright holder's permission, which some argue also applies to streaming.
Sources if you can be bothered reading the ruling in Dutch lol. English Translationhttp://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2015/10/eus-highest-court-asked-to-rule-on-whether-streamed-pirated-films-are-legal/
I've read this in the past and it does confuse things as the cases involve a multitude of 'videos', not just films. However, everyone knows (whether they admit it or not) that streaming / downloading pirated films is illegal.

It is an extremely complicated issue. Take for example "legal" streaming Netflix with the old DNS server trick or VPN you could access American content, whilst that company did pay for the rights to stream that content they only paid for the rights in US not in UK/Germany etc. Some did using software to block VPN access but what of those people in the correct country who use VPN's for security or other reasons. The EU courts recently (havn't totally read the judgment yet) but they wishing for contents providers to make content Europe wide and lift these blocks (this includes iPlayer/Youtube as an example). But still in buying the rights to stream it is by country so content providers may have to change how they sell. This is just how messy it is getting for legal streaming/offline viewing!
No-one in the UK has ever been prosecuted for watching streaming and no cases can be brought forward until the EU court rules on those questions of clarification asked. So while we may all know it is morally wrong and should be illegal under our current laws it is not illegal in the eyes of the law as it stands at present. While in the meantime the ISP's are trying to block known hosting sites of such material and actively going after those who provide including arrests and convictions of those selling chipped sky boxes and "fully loaded" android/ATV stuff.
#32
suchitmehta7
moley
qavi23
Using a VPN to stream....... what
​your telling me that you isp cant monitor traffic coming into your house lol
there is nothing to "lol"... and yes by using VPN (encrypted) your ISP cannot monitor the content.
Providing your VPN never drops connection/leaks and the software you use has no vulnerabilities (which is near impossible).
I'm being massively pedantic but my point is if someone (authorities etc) want to find you, they will no matter how 1337 you are.
banned#33
it's illegal because they can track you via your isp, don't bother if I was you
#34
It's illegal but I'd go ahead and do it - as long as you're using an encrypted VPN and an ethernet cable (not Wifi), there's no way anyone can see what you're doing. Your ISP could tell you were using the VPN, but they wouldn't be able to find out what you were doing with it. People can downvote this answer as much as they want but these are the facts tbh. It's up to you whether you want to take a moral approach to the situation or not, but you're not in any danger of being prosecuted for breaking the law because by using VPN encryption, the authorities can't see what you're doing.
#35
powerjumps18
it's illegal because they can track you via your isp, don't bother if I was you
It's not illegal BECAUSE they can "track" you.

They can "track" you no matter what you are doing, it doesn't make everything illegal.
#36
Guinea
It's illegal but I'd go ahead and do it - as long as you're using an encrypted VPN and an ethernet cable (not Wifi), there's no way anyone can see what you're doing. Your ISP could tell you were using the VPN, but they wouldn't be able to find out what you were doing with it. People can downvote this answer as much as they want but these are the facts tbh. It's up to you whether you want to take a moral approach to the situation or not, but you're not in any danger of being prosecuted for breaking the law because by using VPN encryption, the authorities can't see what you're doing.
Please, if you can back your "facts" up with proof rather than opinion, I'd very much like to read it.
#37
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/nov/18/sky-broadband-customers-warned-porn-company-pay-up-or-else-letters

as long as you don't stream illegal porn from golden eye you be alright!

Edited By: ho5dow on Dec 28, 2015 16:10
#38
buyer101
suchitmehta7
moley
qavi23
Using a VPN to stream....... what
​your telling me that you isp cant monitor traffic coming into your house lol
there is nothing to "lol"... and yes by using VPN (encrypted) your ISP cannot monitor the content.
Providing your VPN never drops connection/leaks and the software you use has no vulnerabilities (which is near impossible).
I'm being massively pedantic but my point is if someone (authorities etc) want to find you, they will no matter how 1337 you are.
VPN providers are not required by law to keep a log of your activities. even if authorities wants to track your activities they can't unless they hire a professional hacker which cost them a fortune per pc to hack. hence it is not a cost effective option for them..
#39
Another to put my personal view is. If you are worried about it don't do it. Regarding getting "caught" I'd never wish to have paid willing for any for it, whether that be buying one of the sky/cable boxs paying a sub for said line etc, even paying for a VPN connection do you really know who you are passing your internet traffic info too through a VPN sub? Subscribing to the like of usenet servers, sport streaming servers by paying you are willfully knowing what you are doing.
On another note since it is not illegal the owner of said content may seek to recover lost costs but few years back this practice became too costly and the RIAA abandoned its practice of suing individuals for online piracy in favor of working with Internet service providers to track down offenders and block sites. Since then, ISPs have issued warnings on their own terms. We are meant to have a 3 strikes warning and that is probably more effective than anything as you will be blacklisted and find it hard to get another ISP (not that far as I'm aware has actually happened yet).
#40
suchitmehta7
buyer101
suchitmehta7
moley
qavi23
Using a VPN to stream....... what
​your telling me that you isp cant monitor traffic coming into your house lol
there is nothing to "lol"... and yes by using VPN (encrypted) your ISP cannot monitor the content.
Providing your VPN never drops connection/leaks and the software you use has no vulnerabilities (which is near impossible).
I'm being massively pedantic but my point is if someone (authorities etc) want to find you, they will no matter how 1337 you are.
VPN providers are not required by law to keep a log of your activities. even if authorities wants to track your activities they can't unless they hire a professional hacker which cost them a fortune per pc to hack. hence it is not a cost effective option for them..
My point was that it was possible for the ISP to monitor what you are doing, not whether it was cost effective for them to do so for everyone streaming/p2p.

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