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Long post alert...... ;) I have a dilemma whether to keep a laptop I recently purchased or return it and hold out a couple of months for the newer CPU’s & GPU’s. I may also look at going down fr…
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1m, 1w agoPosted 1 month, 1 week ago
Long post alert...... ;)

I have a dilemma whether to keep a laptop I recently purchased or return it and hold out a couple of months for the newer CPU’s & GPU’s. I may also look at going down from 17” to 15”

The original deal is here:-

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/hp-laptop-intel-core-i7-6700hq-128-gb-ssd-1-tb-16gb-ram-gtx960-17-3-full-hd-ips-2590269?p=29728714

The link to the HP no longer works but a cached version is here.

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:n66jPBhoG98J:https://store.hp.com/UKStore/Merch/Product.aspx%3Fid%3DW7Q46EA%26opt%3DABU%26sel%3DDEF+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-b-ab

The summary of the spec is as follows and I paid £854:-

• Windows 10 Home 64

• Intel® Core™ i7-6700HQ Quad-Core processor

• 43.9 cm (17.3") diagonal Full-HD (1920 x 1080) display

• 16GB RAM with 128GB SSD and 1TB storage

• NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 960M (4 GB GDDR5 dedicated)

• DVD drive

I’m not a gamer, we have tablets and consoles for that sort of thing.

I want an everyday laptop that has enough resources to do run virtual machines every now and then, occasional video editing and some photoshopping.

The laptop pretty much suits my requirements and If I were to keep it I would swap out the DVD drive for another hard disk.

I went for 17” for the video editing and it’s a nice screen. However I got miracast working this week allowing me to use the TV as a second monitor which worked well as 2nd preview monitor. So for this reason I could potentially downsize to 15”, I could also buy a dedicated monitor to use as an external as well.

For the money I paid I don't think there is better but I don't seem to be warming to this laptop though. I'm not sure if it's because it's so big, (too big I think), or whether it's because I haven't yet made it my daily until I make a decision. I can't really fault it, if I were to be picky it would be the keyboard, I prefer the clunkier ones that I have on my old laptop.

It's easy to say there will be 15" 1050s/1060s on the market for this price in a couple of months but that becomes never ending.......

Would love to hear your views. :)
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#1
Why dont u go for Alienware laptops, you can stick an additional hard drive without removing dvd drive or for those graphical intense parts u can buy an Alienware amplifier and upgrade your graphic card with the latest one everytime therefore having the latest card always.

If you want a pc feel get a laptop with the dock option that would convert your laptop to a pc instead of plugging in separately.
#2
[img]file:///storage/emulated/0/Android/data/com.tippingcanoe.hukd/files/Pictures/thread2600434/1484436903287_transformed.png[/img] connection to amplifier
#3
Mircast is difficult to get working so be careful in assuming that if you get another laptop you will get it working again.
Saying that 900 pounds for this laptop looks a little steep to me. But looking at the comments of the original thread it looks like it was difficult to find anything similar for the money. Also if you are not a gamer then you won't care that the GPU is poor.
#4
rayaanwasty
Why dont u go for Alienware laptops, you can stick an additional hard drive without removing dvd drive or for those graphical intense parts u can buy an Alienware amplifier and upgrade your graphic card with the latest one everytime therefore having the latest card always.
If you want a pc feel get a laptop with the dock option that would convert your laptop to a pc instead of plugging in separately.

I saw this deal earlier:- http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/gaming-laptop-alienware-17-r3-1049-delivered-from-dell-2600210

Spec wise though it's still the older CPU \ GPU and starting from £1149.

Not really interested in the PC feel but I do like the idea of the amplfiers but ideally I want to keep things simple. Also, when you start buying graphics cards it starts getting expensive... :)
#5
myapps
rayaanwasty
Why dont u go for Alienware laptops, you can stick an additional hard drive without removing dvd drive or for those graphical intense parts u can buy an Alienware amplifier and upgrade your graphic card with the latest one everytime therefore having the latest card always.
If you want a pc feel get a laptop with the dock option that would convert your laptop to a pc instead of plugging in separately.

I saw this deal earlier:- http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/gaming-laptop-alienware-17-r3-1049-delivered-from-dell-2600210

Spec wise though it's still the older CPU \ GPU and starting from £1149.

Not really interested in the PC feel but I do like the idea of the amplfiers but ideally I want to keep things simple. Also, when you start buying graphics cards it starts getting expensive... :)


​Sorry last thing. I know you are not a gamer but have you seen this thread and deal? http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/omen-15-ax202na-gaming-laptop-1050-i5-7300hq-787-55-hp-store-uk-2600167

There is even an i7 version which still seems to fall within your price range
#6
Enet
Mircast is difficult to get working so be careful in assuming that if you get another laptop you will get it working again.
Saying that 900 pounds for this laptop looks a little steep to me. But looking at the comments of the original thread it looks like it was difficult to find anything similar for the money. Also if you are not a gamer then you won't care that the GPU is poor.

The Mircast worked quite well, better than I thought it would. The worst comes to the worse I could always use HDMI or a 2nd monitor during the rare times I needed it.

After discount the laptop was £854, I still can't find anything out there with this spec for any less.

Well the GPU plays a big part when you are doing video editing especially when you are rendering. As an example I tested rendering a file using CPU only and it said approx 9 minutes, utilitising the GPU it was less than 3 minutes. Simliar applies when using photo editing software.
#7
myapps
rayaanwasty
Why dont u go for Alienware laptops, you can stick an additional hard drive without removing dvd drive or for those graphical intense parts u can buy an Alienware amplifier and upgrade your graphic card with the latest one everytime therefore having the latest card always.
If you want a pc feel get a laptop with the dock option that would convert your laptop to a pc instead of plugging in separately.

I saw this deal earlier:- http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/gaming-laptop-alienware-17-r3-1049-delivered-from-dell-2600210

Spec wise though it's still the older CPU \ GPU and starting from £1149.

Not really interested in the PC feel but I do like the idea of the amplfiers but ideally I want to keep things simple. Also, when you start buying graphics cards it starts getting expensive... :)


​Personally i am big gamer and i along with a lot of people feel that the difference between a new i7 and the older i7 is not that much in most of the cases you wont even feel any difference. I play all the latest games and my rig is currently on 4th generation i7 with gtx 980 with all ultra settings on. So if you even now get a 6th generation i7 with gtx 1080 i am sure it will work wonderfully for two years if your usage is even heavy but then it depends on your requirements if your a game developer even then it should under most cases work for atleast an year after which a graphical upgrade will get you top performance.

Alienware amplifier setup is very simple just a single plug that plugs on the back of your laptop thats it.
#8
myapps
rayaanwasty
Why dont u go for Alienware laptops, you can stick an additional hard drive without removing dvd drive or for those graphical intense parts u can buy an Alienware amplifier and upgrade your graphic card with the latest one everytime therefore having the latest card always.
If you want a pc feel get a laptop with the dock option that would convert your laptop to a pc instead of plugging in separately.

I saw this deal earlier:- http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/gaming-laptop-alienware-17-r3-1049-delivered-from-dell-2600210

Spec wise though it's still the older CPU \ GPU and starting from £1149.

Not really interested in the PC feel but I do like the idea of the amplfiers but ideally I want to keep things simple. Also, when you start buying graphics cards it starts getting expensive... :)


#9
For maximum gpu power i would say go for a desktop with a SLI gpu setup that laptops with sli would cost you around £4000 but desktop would be significantly cheaper.
#10
Enet
myapps
rayaanwasty
Why dont u go for Alienware laptops, you can stick an additional hard drive without removing dvd drive or for those graphical intense parts u can buy an Alienware amplifier and upgrade your graphic card with the latest one everytime therefore having the latest card always.
If you want a pc feel get a laptop with the dock option that would convert your laptop to a pc instead of plugging in separately.
I saw this deal earlier:- http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/gaming-laptop-alienware-17-r3-1049-delivered-from-dell-2600210

Spec wise though it's still the older CPU \ GPU and starting from £1149.

Not really interested in the PC feel but I do like the idea of the amplfiers but ideally I want to keep things simple. Also, when you start buying graphics cards it starts getting expensive... :)

​Sorry last thing. I know you are not a gamer but have you seen this thread and deal? http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/omen-15-ax202na-gaming-laptop-1050-i5-7300hq-787-55-hp-store-uk-2600167

There is even an i7 version which still seems to fall within your price range

Thanks, yes I did see that one and looked at this one as well. http://store.hp.com/UKStore/Merch/Product.aspx?sel=NTB&id=1DN33EA&opt=ABU

It doesn't have a DVD drive though and that's important as I need to use a caddy. I current have 2 x 2tb drives in my five year old laptop.

The laptop is also only 8GB. Obviously the memory can be upgraded but as it's 2 x 4gb in the laptop you will have to buy 2 x 8gb which bumps it up another £100.
#11
So you have to have an internal second drive? Isn't USB3 fast enough?

Edited By: Enet on Jan 15, 2017 00:30: usb3
#12
rayaanwasty
For maximum gpu power i would say go for a desktop with a SLI gpu setup that laptops with sli would cost you around £4000 but desktop would be significantly cheaper.

I am mainly looking for a laptop.
rayaanwasty
myapps
rayaanwasty
Why dont u go for Alienware laptops, you can stick an additional hard drive without removing dvd drive or for those graphical intense parts u can buy an Alienware amplifier and upgrade your graphic card with the latest one everytime therefore having the latest card always.
If you want a pc feel get a laptop with the dock option that would convert your laptop to a pc instead of plugging in separately.
I saw this deal earlier:- http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/gaming-laptop-alienware-17-r3-1049-delivered-from-dell-2600210

Spec wise though it's still the older CPU \ GPU and starting from £1149.

Not really interested in the PC feel but I do like the idea of the amplfiers but ideally I want to keep things simple. Also, when you start buying graphics cards it starts getting expensive... :)

​Personally i am big gamer and i along with a lot of people feel that the difference between a new i7 and the older i7 is not that much in most of the cases you wont even feel any difference. I play all the latest games and my rig is currently on 4th generation i7 with gtx 980 with all ultra settings on. So if you even now get a 6th generation i7 with gtx 1080 i am sure it will work wonderfully for two years if your usage is even heavy but then it depends on your requirements if your a game developer even then it should under most cases work for atleast an year after which a graphical upgrade will get you top performance.

Alienware amplifier setup is very simple just a single plug that plugs on the back of your laptop thats it.

That's useful information, especially from a gamer.

I guess what comes into play now is that the new GPU's on laptops are not that much different to the desktop equivalent from what I'm led to believe. I assuming for a laptop the GTX 980 you have would be the M version and not as powerful as the desktop version.

I don't change laptops that often, my current one is over 5 years old. It does pretty much what I need but anything involving graphics is a big NO and I have to use the desktop.

Ideally I want to be able to do everything I do on a laptop though, hence wanting big memory and storage options. The GTX 960M seems to do everything I need but I'm guessing the 1050s/1060s, (as they are no longer M versions), would be better in the long run.
#13
Enet
So you have to have an internal second drive? Isn't USB3 fast enough?

Yes I used a hard drive caddy to replace the DVD drive which allows me 2 x 2tb disks.

With the HP I bought, (and I guess other simliar setups), I potentially could have 2 x disks and a seperate SSD. This is the ideal setup as I don't have to play around with partitions and will be faster due to the speed of SSD and having the data on a seperate data channel.

USB3 is fast enough but I don't like dangling drives off laptops permanently, hence using a second caddy.
#14
myapps
rayaanwasty
For maximum gpu power i would say go for a desktop with a SLI gpu setup that laptops with sli would cost you around £4000 but desktop would be significantly cheaper.

I am mainly looking for a laptop.
rayaanwasty
myapps
rayaanwasty
Why dont u go for Alienware laptops, you can stick an additional hard drive without removing dvd drive or for those graphical intense parts u can buy an Alienware amplifier and upgrade your graphic card with the latest one everytime therefore having the latest card always.
If you want a pc feel get a laptop with the dock option that would convert your laptop to a pc instead of plugging in separately.
I saw this deal earlier:- http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/gaming-laptop-alienware-17-r3-1049-delivered-from-dell-2600210

Spec wise though it's still the older CPU \ GPU and starting from £1149.

Not really interested in the PC feel but I do like the idea of the amplfiers but ideally I want to keep things simple. Also, when you start buying graphics cards it starts getting expensive... :)

​Personally i am big gamer and i along with a lot of people feel that the difference between a new i7 and the older i7 is not that much in most of the cases you wont even feel any difference. I play all the latest games and my rig is currently on 4th generation i7 with gtx 980 with all ultra settings on. So if you even now get a 6th generation i7 with gtx 1080 i am sure it will work wonderfully for two years if your usage is even heavy but then it depends on your requirements if your a game developer even then it should under most cases work for atleast an year after which a graphical upgrade will get you top performance.

Alienware amplifier setup is very simple just a single plug that plugs on the back of your laptop thats it.

That's useful information, especially from a gamer.

I guess what comes into play now is that the new GPU's on laptops are not that much different to the desktop equivalent from what I'm led to believe. I assuming for a laptop the GTX 980 you have would be the M version and not as powerful as the desktop version.

I don't change laptops that often, my current one is over 5 years old. It does pretty much what I need but anything involving graphics is a big NO and I have to use the desktop.

Ideally I want to be able to do everything I do on a laptop though, hence wanting big memory and storage options. The GTX 960M seems to do everything I need but I'm guessing the 1050s/1060s, (as they are no longer M versions), would be better in the long run.




​The m GPUs had the same name as their desktop counterpart but nowhere near the performance. The new 10 series are almost as strong as their desktop namesake so the m is no longer needed.
The GTX 980m however is still a beast of a GPU and if you can find a cheaper laptop then go for it. But yes the 10 series is the future which is very important for driver support. Also for future proofing go for at least the 1050Ti and not the 1050.
Finally you probably already know this but for your needs there is very little difference between the Skylake and Kaby Lake CPUs. The i7 or i5 6700HQ is more than adequate.

Edited By: Enet on Jan 15, 2017 00:58: CPU
#15
It's a good laptop for the price, but as you don't play games on it and only do occasional photoshop/editing, it's not needed. Sounds like you would prefer portability or maybe even a desktop computer., what you have now is either the best or worst of both worlds depending on how you look at it
#16
Until you've used a 386 portable brick , then you've got nothing to complain about when it comes to a Laptop. Seriously instead of bitching, moaning and complaining, ENJOY the laptop. Small isn't always beautiful, the extra panel size will make most technical work, especially video and photo-editing simpler and easier. Added to the fact an IPS HD panel that when calibrated correctly should make viewing, and surfing a pleasure. Now with a dedicated high powered graphics card and processor, solid state drive, and latest Wi-Fi network card all you're needs are catered for without worrying about slow-down or incompatibilities with most software.

Concerning swapping out the DVD drive for another hard drive, why? Investigate if the Laptop has an additional upgrade internal slot available. Otherwise swap out the Hard Drive for a hybrid Drive (SSHD), or even a larger SSD. Whilst most gamers don't use optical drives, many businesses still use CD's, DVD's and other optical media. As others have stated the other option is an external portable drive.
#17
Great pic but i7 7700k and thx 1060 laptops are out watch linustechtips ces coverage he has videos all about this
#18
mr_geese
myapps
[quote=Enet] Mircast is difficult to get working so be careful in assuming that if you get another laptop you will get it working again.
Saying that 900 pounds for this laptop looks a little steep to me. But looking at the comments of the original thread it looks like it was difficult to find anything similar for the money. Also if you are not a gamer then you won't care that the GPU is poor.
The Mircast worked quite well, better than I thought it would. The worst comes to the worse I could always use HDMI or a 2nd monitor during the rare times I needed it.
After discount the laptop was £854, I still can't find anything out there with this spec for any less.
Well the GPU plays a big part when you are doing video editing especially when you are rendering. As an example I tested rendering a file using CPU only and it said approx 9 minutes, utilitising the GPU it was less than 3 minutes. Simliar applies when using photo editing software.
Getting a powerful video card makes sense only if you're gonna game heavily or do graphic intensive stuff for hours a day as a job.
For occasional photo and/or video editing know that even a core m can accomplish that (not at the speed of light of course).

I'm sure some go on about photo and video editing when they probably just crop some pictures or rename them lol and they want an i7 and top of the line video card for that.

Your video card OP is more than adequate if you don't game and don't edit pictures and videos everyday as a job.


Edited By: mr_geese on Jan 15, 2017 11:06
#19
nemesiz
Until you've used a 386 portable brick , then you've got nothing to complain about when it comes to a Laptop. Seriously instead of bitching, moaning and complaining, ENJOY the laptop. Small isn't always beautiful, the extra panel size will make most technical work, especially video and photo-editing simpler and easier. Added to the fact an IPS HD panel that when calibrated correctly should make viewing, and surfing a pleasure. Now with a dedicated high powered graphics card and processor, solid state drive, and latest Wi-Fi network card all you're needs are catered for without worrying about slow-down or incompatibilities with most software.
Concerning swapping out the DVD drive for another hard drive, why? Investigate if the Laptop has an additional upgrade internal slot available. Otherwise swap out the Hard Drive for a hybrid Drive (SSHD), or even a larger SSD. Whilst most gamers don't use optical drives, many businesses still use CD's, DVD's and other optical media. As others have stated the other option is an external portable drive.

I've used a 386 portable brick, one of these - http://oldcomputers.net/compaqiii.html

I also have one of these in my loft https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/b9/72/33/b972330708d4c6a1390072c15092702f.jpg

"I can't really fault it, if I were to be picky it would be the keyboard, I prefer the clunkier ones that I have on my old laptop."
- bitching, moaning and complaining?


Edited By: myapps on Jan 15, 2017 13:36
#20
mr_geese
mr_geese
myapps
[quote=Enet] Mircast is difficult to get working so be careful in assuming that if you get another laptop you will get it working again.
Saying that 900 pounds for this laptop looks a little steep to me. But looking at the comments of the original thread it looks like it was difficult to find anything similar for the money. Also if you are not a gamer then you won't care that the GPU is poor.
The Mircast worked quite well, better than I thought it would. The worst comes to the worse I could always use HDMI or a 2nd monitor during the rare times I needed it.
After discount the laptop was £854, I still can't find anything out there with this spec for any less.
Well the GPU plays a big part when you are doing video editing especially when you are rendering. As an example I tested rendering a file using CPU only and it said approx 9 minutes, utilitising the GPU it was less than 3 minutes. Simliar applies when using photo editing software.
Getting a powerful video card makes sense only if you're gonna game heavily or do graphic intensive stuff for hours a day as a job.
For occasional photo and/or video editing know that even a core m can accomplish that (not at the speed of light of course).
I'm sure some go on about photo and video editing when they probably just crop some pictures or rename them lol and they want an i7 and top of the line video card for that.
Your video card OP is more than adequate if you don't game and don't edit pictures and videos everyday as a job.

Thanks, what you say makes sense.

There will be times where I might spend a day doing some video editing but it's really not that often. As you say I think the core M is ample enough for my needs. I spent a lot of time last night watching videos and reading reviews and I can't see a massive difference with the newer CPU \ GPU combinations for what I want to use it for.
#21
puddles9999
Great pic but i7 7700k and thx 1060 laptops are out watch linustechtips ces coverage he has videos all about this

Thanks, I will look him up. I did watch a number of videos on the CES coverage last night. I think I'll probably stick with what I have, or possibly downsize to 15.

If I really feel I need the occasional extra power I may just get a decent graphics card for my desktop.
#22
Thanks for all the comments.

I'm going out shortly to have a look at some of the 15" laptops to see if I prefer the size. I'll either keep the 17" or downsize to a 15" providing it's the same spec.

Just found out somebody I know is going to the states tomorrow for a week. Makes this a temptation.....

http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/inspiron-15-7567-laptop/dncwf510s

Even with the horrible exchange rate it only works out a little more than what I paid for the HP. X)

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