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9y, 5m agoPosted 9 years, 5 months ago
Hi

I really need a good deal and advice please.

I am a web designer so I use Photoshop, Dreamweaver etc all the time, so I need a suitable PC be it a laptop or desktop system to suit my needs.

It needs to be fast, good graphics etc.

My other question is can i hook up a large monitor to a laptop say a 22" screen
and use the laptops built in screen as a secondary screen?

Hope someone can help me :thumbsup:

Thanks
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9y, 5m agoPosted 9 years, 5 months ago
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#1
my laptop does
i use nvidia
what ever that is
#2
Depending on your budget you will likely be better off with a PC, spec wise you get a lot more for your money.

Both PC & laptop can run dual screens (including the laptops own)
#3
Thanks for the replies

I want a good system, as my last PC I got cheap and has had a lot of problems (get what you pay for I suppose)

I have been looking at dell systems, but dont know if they are any good.
#4
I'd have to agree, for graphic design, what you need is a dual core chip, plenty of Ram, a half decent gfx card and a huge screen... You're not going to find this in most laptops, and to be honest, the thought of graphic design on a laptop is a bit laughable
#6
I quuite like the sound of the first link you gave me, do you know what is the better processor?

AMD® Athlon™ 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+

or

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E4300 Processor (1.80GHz,800MHz,2MB cache)

I was also thinking of buying the monitor separate maybe, not sure what the dell ones are like, maybe iiyama?
#7
I wouldn't buy a laptop at present as the new santa rosa (I think that's what they are called)..chipset/CPU models are just being launched and are superior to anything ont market at present.

You may wish to wait for the new Dell deals on Thursday...as for the above the AMD is better but I'd be looking for a Core 2 6420 at least...the 4300 can be overclocked if you want to go down that path.
#8
mumford
I quuite like the sound of the first link you gave me, do you know what is the better processor?

AMD® Athlon™ 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+

or

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E4300 Processor (1.80GHz,800MHz,2MB cache)

I was also thinking of buying the monitor separate maybe, not sure what the dell ones are like, maybe iiyama?


Generally Core 2 Duo everytime but you should be looking at a better one than that, you ever thought about building your own? You could save a lot.

For graphic design you really should be looking at a top end monitor like an iiyama not the generic ones Dell turn out.
#9
You will not "save a lot" on Dell prices if you get the right one :)
#10
Two things at least should be your decider;

price

Portability

As someone else has mentioned, you will always get a better/higher spec desktop for your cash. it is easy to upgrade the CPU/Graphics/DVD drive etc on a desktop while almost impossible and certainly not financially viable on a laptop.

The one benefit of a laptop is that unlike a desktop you can carry it around and use it almost anywhere. This should be your only real reason to use one, If you put your a laptop on a desk and never use it then you completely missing the point.
#11
Hi

megalomaniac - what would you recommend then, I really what to make sure I am getting a good system.

I also would not know the first thing about building one from scratch!


smashed: are you saying dont buy from dell?

Thanks again :thumbsup:
#12
No, im saying... buying 1 of the "hot" dells is a much better and safer choice than buying parts and making your own.

I would go for the AMD 5000 if it was me.
#13
smashed
You will not "save a lot" on Dell prices if you get the right one :)


Depends what you mean by save, you can get a much better system with a DIY job and I'm not just talking specification. Dell are famous for using the cheapest components they can, something you should never do imho.
#14
I doubt "much better", and seeing as the OP is asking for advice on a good system, I doubt they will want to go build 1 from scratch ;)
#15
mumford
I also would not know the first thing about building one from scratch!


It's not as hard as it sounds, there are tonnes of tutorials on the web, everything you buy will come with a fairly detailed set of instructions and most things come colour coded these days.

mumford
megalomaniac - what would you recommend then, I really what to make sure I am getting a good system.


Depends how much you're looking at spending really but given your needs I'd go for something like this:

Antec NSK6000 Case
£40.95: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/114934

Antec EarthWatts 430W 80%+ Energy Efficient PSU
£39.86: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/120376

Asus P5B Motherboard
£59.98:http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/113965

Core 2 Duo E4400
£86.52:http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/127326

Corsair 2GB (2x1GB) DDR2 PC2-6400 RAM
£64.67: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/98710

2x Maxtor STM3250820AS 250GB 7200RPM HDD's
£37.95 * 2 = £75.90: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/120303

MSI 8600GT Silent edition 256MB Graphics Card
£85.07: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/126985

Samsung SH-S183 SATA 18x DVD±RW/RAM Black
£20.49: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/127260

Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 3200 Laser
£54.98: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/123303

Logitech X 140 - PC multimedia speakers
£14.22: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/118487

iiyama ProLite E2200WS 22" LCD Monitor
£199.99: http://www.iiyama.co.uk/default.asp?SID=&LNG=EN&NAV=236&PROD=7155

Total: £742.63
#16
I know its not a bad spec.. but £750?
The PC that emasu advised is under £450, and takes no building.

Anyway, both trying to help. I guess its up to OP :)

Also, your PC has no Operating Software..so at least £50 more for Vista.. so £800
#17
smashed
I doubt "much better", and seeing as the OP is asking for advice on a good system, I doubt they will want to go build 1 from scratch ;)


Well probably not so much if you only scratch the surface. However Dell make cheap systems cheaply, which is fine if you just running MS Word and checking your emails but imho if you're doing something more intensive you really need something better. They cut every corner they can to sell for as low a price as possible, which is great for many but there's a world of difference for example between 1Gb of the cheap RAM Dell use and 1Gb of top spec RAM from someone like Corsair, Geil or OCZ.

smashed
I know its not a bad spec.. but £750?
The PC that emasu advised is under £450, and takes no building.


The OP didn't specify a price range (as I mentioned), so I suggested a good system for their needs and a better system than the Dells mentioned. There's a world of difference between the specs and the quality of the components. In the system I suggested the RAM is faster, the Graphics card is better, you get two quick/large hard drives, a wireless keyboard and wireless high precision laser mouse, an energy efficient PSU (which could save you a lot on electricity in the long run), bigger monitor etc. and the warranty's are better too for example the RAM comes with a lifetime warranty, the Monitor with a 3 year on-site warranty, the Graphics card with a 3 year warranty, the motherboard with a 3 year warranty etc. all as standard all from top companies with world beating support! You'd have to pay Dell a fortune for that level of support.

I really do not get the Dell love in round here, sure they're cheap but like everything in life you get what you pay for. Would you choose a brand/model of car just because they're the cheapest? No! Would you choose a house just because it's the cheapest? No! Why? Because there are many many more factors than just price. So why choose a computer based on price alone?

If you're looking for pre-built, Evesham and Mesh are award winning PC manufacturers well worth considering alongside Dell.

smashed
Also, your PC has no Operating Software..so at least £50 more for Vista.. so £800


D'oh knew I forgot something, although personally I wouldn't go anywhere near Vista. Windows XP Pro and Ubuntu are the OS's of choice for me as I don't like my operating systems spying on me and reporting back to Microsoft thank you very much, nor do I agree with the copious amount of DRM that often slows Vista to a crawl unless you have a supercomputer and lest we forget its still suffering driver and compatibility issues.

smashed
Anyway, both trying to help. I guess its up to OP :)


You're right we're all here to help :thumbsup:. But there's nothing wrong with a healthy debate so long as we can all shake (virtual) hands afterwards :)
#18
I like Dell because I use them, my office (of over 1000 people) all use them and I am in IT. My family and friends have all bought them via me...
And the failure rate has always been extremely low.
You just need to clean the Dell rubbish off it when it arrives.
#19
megalomaniac

You're right we're all here to help :thumbsup:. But there's nothing wrong with a healthy debate so long as we can all shake (virtual) hands afterwards :)


Says someone that enjoys a 'healthy debate' a little too much ;-)

Some would say he was a master debater on here, but not me. :thumbsup:
#20
davelfc
Says someone that enjoys a 'healthy debate' a little too much ;-)

Some would say he was a master debater on here, but not me. :thumbsup:


hehe, you don't do too bad yourself :thumbsup: just don't say "master debater" too quickly :giggle:.
#21
smashed
I like Dell because I use them, my office (of over 1000 people) all use them and I am in IT. My family and friends have all bought them via me...
And the failure rate has always been extremely low.
You just need to clean the Dell rubbish off it when it arrives.


They obviously keep a lot of people very happy and like you say they're perfect for office activities :thumbsup: I wouldn't personally want one though, my home PC shouldn't resemble an office PC, plus I do like my PC's with a tad more wallop and better aesthetics don't go amiss either - I can be a bit of a PC snob really, lol - although as highlighted not so long ago by BBC news Dell do unfortunately suffer from one of the lowest customer satisfaction ratings in the industry (probably all those moaning Americans, :giggle:).

Plus I wouldn't mind so much about them using cheaper components if most people actually realised what that means, the problem is to most people 1Gb RAM is 1Gb RAM regardless of bandwidth, CAS latency etc. a 200Gb hard drive is just a 200Gb hard drive regardless of RPM, access times etc., a 256Mb graphics card is a 256Mb graphics card regardless of chip, manufacturer, shader model, clock speed etc. but that isn't the case these things can make a big difference and a person looking at a Dell, a Mesh, an Evesham, an Alienware, a 3XS, a Commodore, a self build or whatever often wont realise there's actually any difference if the basic specification looks the same, when in fact they're not really comparing like for like. Sort of like comparing a basic 1.4 litre engine with a turbo version and a VVTI version they sound the same to a layman but are very different in reality.
#22
I thought Dell were good?

Their is always Dell deals on this site....dont know what to do now!:?
#23
Sorry I should of mentioned budget, I can go up to about £500

I saw this one on Dell, but I may be swayed into getting someone to build it
as megalomaniac kindly pointed out and gave me the parts I should need.

Anyway below is the Dell one I have seen :

AMD® Athlon™ 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+
Genuine Windows Vista™ Home Basic - English
2048MB 533MHz Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM [2x1024]
Keyboard Dell™ Entry Quietkey USB Keyboard - UK/Irish (QWERTY)
Monitor Dell™ 19" Silver Wide Flat Panel (SE198WFP) - UK/Irish
Video Card 256MB ATI® Radeon® X1300 Pro PCI Express graphics card
Hard Drive 250GB (7200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst™ cache
#24
mumford
I thought Dell were good?

Their is always Dell deals on this site....dont know what to do now!:?


Don't get me wrong Dell aren't bad they do the job, just not my cup of tea. Real geeks don't do Dells, :thinking: lol.

I tend to think of them as say a no frills entry level Ford Fiesta in the car world, they do the job but there's much better and much worse out there.
#26
mumford, with all due respect to megalomaniac... you really should ignore his comments.

There are THOUSANDS of satisfied Dell people on here, and many of them do a lot more than "office and excel" on them.

The PC that you have selected is great for what you need it for, and I am sure that you would be totally pleased with it.
#27
Also, how much was that Dell that you saw Mumford
#28
smashed
mumford, with all due respect to megalomaniac... you really should ignore his comments.

There are THOUSANDS of satisfied Dell people on here, and many of them do a lot more than "office and excel" on them.

The PC that you have selected is great for what you need it for, and I am sure that you would be totally pleased with it.


Last time I checked Dell had a customer satisfaction rating of 74 in the American Customer Satisfaction Index, that's one of the lowest in the industry, out of the big boys only HP Compaq fared worse and Dell's sales have been plummeting as a result and like I said there was a big thing about them on BBC news (and watchdog) not so long ago. Now I understand they're working hard to correct this and having just checked up they've scored slightly better in the last quaterly commentary BUT my point remains valid - they don't have great customer satisfaction.

FYI just because lots of people buy something doesn't mean it's good, good for the money maybe but they're completely different things. A bag of chips is good for the money, it doesn't mean everyone should eat chips all the time. Now I'm not questioning that Dell are cheap or that some would be and are quite happy with them all I'm saying is that you get what you pay for! I personally don't like Dell, they flash up cheap prices, offer expensive extended warranty's and prey on the fact that people don't know any better (as do PC World etc.). As I've already proved any decent piece of PC hardware comes with much more than a 12 month warranty as standard, Dell charges a small fortune for that.
#29
I see your points.

But everybody I know has no problems. If people did, they would soon spout off about it on this forum, but they dont.

The budget is £500. If you want to insist you can find a lot better, then find 1 and post it :)
Its not about hypotheticals, its about helping somebody get the PC :)
#30
I think the dell specs (pc) I posted came in around £392
#31
Ok so going by the spec above, just from eBuyer without shopping around other sites for the best deals (as I'm a bit stuck for time at the mo) and by sticking as far as possible with quality brands and high rated products:

AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+
£100.37: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/122939

MSI K9N4 Ultra-F
£36.71: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/122756

Crucial 2GB kit (1GBx2) DDR2 PC2-4200
£43.67: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/106132

A4-Tech Wireless Multimedia Keyboard & Wireless Scroll Mouse Bundle
£7.98: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/128112

Fujitsu Siemens Scaleoview L19W-2 19" TFT Monitor
£99.99: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/128559

MSI RX1550-TRD256EH ATI Radeon X1550
£30.99: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/129044

Maxtor STM3250820AS 250GB 7200RPM SATAII 8MB Cache
£37.95: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/120303

Antec NSK6500 Black/Silver Super Mid Tower Case - With 430W PSU
£58.75: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/114046

Windows Vista Home Basic
£54.03: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/123051

Total: £470.44

Not sure how that compares price wise but you wont get Crucial memory or an Antec case etc. with Dell :thumbsup:
#32
mumford
I think the dell specs (pc) I posted came in around £392


D'oh oh well, I tried. Depends if you think the slightly better kit and 3yr warranty's on things like the motherboard and graphics card are worth it. Still the point remains that you'll get better quality bits doing it yourself even if I couldn't deliver on price.
#33
megalomaniac,smashed: thank you so much for your advice and to

The spec you posted?, I take it that is a better spec than the dell one I posted then?

On top of that I will have to pay someone to build it :-D
#34
The spec is basically the same mummyford :) Find the main thread in the hot deals forum, and post in there asking if its good enough for your needs.
Im sure you will be told that it is.
Or ask MikeT, he will give you an honest opinion if you want to make sure.
#35
mumford
megalomaniac,smashed: thank you so much for your advice and to

The spec you posted?, I take it that is a better spec than the dell one I posted then?

On top of that I will have to pay someone to build it :-D


Yup pretty similar specification, ever so slightly better but mostly just better quality bits. Guess I'm failing to get the point across that a PC is the sum of it's parts and Dell use cheap parts but hey ho, enough folks round here seem to love Dell so I'm sure smashed is correct in saying you wont have any problem with them.

Also to be fair there are savings you could make on the spec I posted, for example you could save over £40 on the case + PSU alone. I just can't bring myself to do it, I just can't recommend something I wouldn't buy myself.
#36
lol.. I know your point megalomaniac.. I would be the same with other AV equipment.

However, if we did a blind test... and you couldnt see the PC, only the screen, you would not know what machine you were running. As long as it performed well, could you really complain? Probably not :)

And the dell would indeed perform well.
#37
smashed
lol.. I know your point megalomaniac.. I would be the same with other AV equipment.

However, if we did a blind test... and you couldnt see the PC, only the screen, you would not know what machine you were running. As long as it performed well, could you really complain? Probably not :)

And the dell would indeed perform well.


Me, I'd run a few things like 3D-Mark and CPU-Z, encode some MP3's and Videos etc. etc. then tell you exactly what the differences were both performance wise and component wise.

But I know I'm far from the average computer user, so you're probably right I guess many people couldn't tell the difference, fractions of seconds here and there or the quality of components doesn't mean a lot to many, after all it's just a big box with a TV attached, right... :thumbsup:.

But then many people couldn't tell the difference, other than price, between an off the shelf Hi-Fi and speakers compared to the likes of Arcam, Quad, Kef, Linn etc. or couldn't see a difference between the current top end Panasonic and Sony LCD's compared the likes of LG and Sharp, but there is a hell of a difference to some. My thing's computers and like I said I just can't recommend something I wouldn't buy myself. Now that doesn't mean Dell are awful and should avoided at all costs, just that there are better (in my opinion) alternatives out there.

EDIT: Thinking about it all the rubbish Dell install on their machines would be a dead giveaway, lol :giggle: .

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