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Hey Guys we bought our first ever house in ilford essex and received 6 months water bill @450+ where as all our previous rental property we had a fixed charge of about 230-250 per year. considerin…
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banned2y, 8m agoPosted 2 years, 8 months ago
Hey Guys

we bought our first ever house in ilford essex and received 6 months water bill @450+ where as all our previous rental property we had a fixed charge of about 230-250 per year. considering this is just 6 months.

i have now checked with 3 of our neighbours and all have same complaint and say these were changed by essex water supply about 8-10 months ago

when i visit their website it says "change to metered water and if not happy you can change it back after to yrs to fixed chg"

my question is if anyone has any idea as to where to we stand here as a new home owner since 8 months , are we obligated to use metered or can we swap to fixed water supply
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banned2y, 8m agoPosted 2 years, 8 months ago
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#1
Shoot me down if I'm wrong ,but I understood the option to change back to (rateable value option) for water only applied if you were originally on that method . As a new occupier you are automatically put on metered .
#2
I think rogparki is right once a property has a meter fitted and its sold then you lose the right to go back to water rates......
banned#3
boy thats bad... 400£ for 6 months and we have only 2 occupants
#4
That's really bad , we have a 4 bedroom in Staffordshire , 3 occupants and our water bill on a meter is £20 per month
#5
dealbuster13
boy thats bad... 400£ for 6 months and we have only 2 occupants
That's too much ! I pay £20 per month (3 bed semi - 1 occupant ) and I water the garden a lot and always have lovely hot baths :) rarely showers . I would expect yours to be about £30 per month Max . Ask the water company to check the meter /check for leaks .
#6
Only the water company benefits with a metered supply NOT the customer.
#7
You constantly filling draining filling a swimming pool?

Mine is £11 a month on a meter
#8
agreed, average 25 per month for a 2 person house. with showers daily, car washing and garden watering
#9
Not sure .. but from the above I guess it's a case of ringing the water company and getting someone to come out and check it. Being charged this much for water is insane! It's higher than some peoples gas bill and water is a necessity you can't live without.

Give them a call and explain your situation and tell them that you think the water meter (or piping is faulty) and you want someone out to check it. Also ask them about the process to change back to the old system. Also let them know that if the meter is faulty then you want to be billed correctly from when you entered the property and want a refund otherwsie you will go to the ombudsmen, newspapers etc etc.

If you can then write a letter as well to the head office addressed to the executive complaints team and the ceo of the company... you generally get a quicker response or more detailed response
#10
you sure that isnt an estimated bill? check your meter reading and check the meter isn't spinning with all your taps etc off

Edited By: chocci on Jul 23, 2014 05:14
#11
longbowassassin
Only the water company benefits with a metered supply NOT the customer.
not true

our water bill on a meter now is half what the fixed charge was five years ago
#12
longbowassassin
Only the water company benefits with a metered supply NOT the customer.

NOT true - i was paying £25 a month unmetered and now pay £12 a month with a water meter with Souther Water. Why should you not be charged for exactly the amount of water you use? Or are you advocating random fixed monthly costs for every commodity as a fair solution i.e Gas / Electricity / Petrol etc.....
banned#13
I pay £33 a month metered for 3 bedroom with 2 adults 2 children...
banned#14
Your stuck with the meter, if it was in the property when you moved in. I bought a house and whilst it was going thru a water meter was fitted to the property, so I was stuck with the meter. After I moved in I was talking to a neighbour who to showed me there none metered bill and it was £250 per year, at the time I was living in the house on my own and my water bill was £600 per year. I asked united utilities to investigate and they told me it was right, and if I thought the meter was faulty I would have to pay to have it checked! I wouldn't mind but the amount of water they loose thru leaks in my area is most likely more than I use in a year!!
#15
there are new laws to move all properties to metered rates in an effort to encourage users to save water and the planet malarkey. so when a property changes owner on sale the meter must be changed to meter if not already done so. you're stuck I am afraid.

meter always costs more generally.

Edited By: mutley1 on Jul 23, 2014 09:00
#16
mutley1
there are new laws to move all properties to metered rates in an effort to encourage users to save water and the planet malarkey. so when a property changes owner on sale the meter must be changed to meter if not already done so. you're stuck I am afraid.

meter always costs more generally.
I was paying £450 on fixed charges. My first year on meter has just finished after I requested a free meter installation (could go back to fixed if not cheaper within a year) and I paid £198. (2 adults 1 teenager)
#17
mutley1
there are new laws to move all properties to metered rates in an effort to encourage users to save water and the planet malarkey. so when a property changes owner on sale the meter must be changed to meter if not already done so. you're stuck I am afraid.

meter always costs more generally.

I totally agree, meters being made compulsory is far better for the company and its shareholders.

Edited By: longbowassassin on Jul 23, 2014 09:29
#18
mutley1
meter always costs more generally.
more nonsense as has been pointed out numerous times in this thread

one to two people or maybe more for frugal users will generally be better off on a meter. Why shouldnt water be charged on a usage basis? It would stop the likes of my neighbour who has a huge 12 foot pop up pool that they empty and refill every few days overnight to save buying a pump etc. Obviously they arent on a meter so dont care they are using 10,000+ litres every week just refilling their pool!

they only use it for about 20 mins each day :)
#19
longbowassassin
Only the water company benefits with a metered supply NOT the customer.
longbowassassin
I totally agree, meters being made compulsory is far better for the company and its shareholders.
Agree on your second comment but definitely not your first ;)
#21
redhot999
mutley1
there are new laws to move all properties to metered rates in an effort to encourage users to save water and the planet malarkey. so when a property changes owner on sale the meter must be changed to meter if not already done so. you're stuck I am afraid.

meter always costs more generally.
I was paying £450 on fixed charges. My first year on meter has just finished after I requested a free meter installation (could go back to fixed if not cheaper within a year) and I paid £198. (2 adults 1 teenager)

£450 on fixed is quite high. have you got a really big house for a few people?
#22
My relatives paid more on metered a lot more! They can't switch back to fixed. They are a family of 9. So metered is more probably sutited for 3 people or less and I wouldn't certainly switch to metered if planning on having kids.

Edited By: MR1123 on Jul 24, 2014 09:15
#23
mutley1
redhot999
mutley1
there are new laws to move all properties to metered rates in an effort to encourage users to save water and the planet malarkey. so when a property changes owner on sale the meter must be changed to meter if not already done so. you're stuck I am afraid.

meter always costs more generally.
I was paying £450 on fixed charges. My first year on meter has just finished after I requested a free meter installation (could go back to fixed if not cheaper within a year) and I paid £198. (2 adults 1 teenager)

£450 on fixed is quite high. have you got a really big house for a few people?
It's a four bedroomed house in Buckinghamshire with 3 people in it.
#24
mutley1
redhot999
mutley1
there are new laws to move all properties to metered rates in an effort to encourage users to save water and the planet malarkey. so when a property changes owner on sale the meter must be changed to meter if not already done so. you're stuck I am afraid.

meter always costs more generally.
I was paying £450 on fixed charges. My first year on meter has just finished after I requested a free meter installation (could go back to fixed if not cheaper within a year) and I paid £198. (2 adults 1 teenager)

£450 on fixed is quite high. have you got a really big house for a few people?
Actually just double-checked. It would have been £485.61 from 1st April 2013 to 31st March 2014 so more than £450. I'm just annoyed with myself for not switching to a meter earlier when I moved in. I could be £5k better off now. It's was just money down the drain :p

Edited By: redhot999 on Jul 24, 2014 09:58: .
#25
Your worried about paying a water bill ? I dont pay for water and as long as United Utilities keep adding floride to Cheshires water supply I'll never pay them a penny , theres no contract to pay water bills threrfore they hope to get lucky sending bills out and get paid.

Why do they add floride to our water when all studies have found floride added to water Does Not prevent tooth decay FACT and what it does do is lower mens testosterone and make young girls reach puberty at an earlier age ?? Its very styrange as it costs the NHS £300,000 a year to floride Cheshires water , lol if they think am paying towards that they can ...
#26
mutley1
there are new laws to move all properties to metered rates in an effort to encourage users to save water and the planet malarkey. so when a property changes owner on sale the meter must be changed to meter if not already done so. you're stuck I am afraid.

meter always costs more generally.

No the change to meters is to get more money from us nothing else , a bit like smart meters in America , they promised that bills would go down with smart meters but no, they went up quite a bit.
#27
Crusader777
.... theres no contract to pay water bills threrfore they hope to get lucky sending bills out and get paid.

Why do they add floride to our water when all studies have found floride added to water Does Not prevent tooth decay FACT and what it does do is lower mens testosterone and make young girls reach puberty at an earlier age ?? Its very styrange as it costs the NHS £300,000 a year to floride Cheshires water , lol if they think am paying towards that they can ...
source or complete nonsense?

if people didnt have to pay for water, do you think they really would?
#28
source or complete nonsense?

if people didnt have to pay for water, do you think they really would?[/quote]
Nonsense ? Explain yourself ? Your comment is complete nonsense backed up by nothing so keep quiet if you dont know what your talking about please.

facts
http://fluoridealert.org/articles/fluoride-facts/

costs
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/water_fluoridation_3

Edited By: Crusader777 on Jul 24, 2014 12:01: link
#29
Crusader777
Your worried about paying a water bill ? I dont pay for water and as long as United Utilities keep adding floride to Cheshires water supply I'll never pay them a penny , theres no contract to pay water bills threrfore they hope to get lucky sending bills out and get paid.

Why do they add floride to our water when all studies have found floride added to water Does Not prevent tooth decay FACT and what it does do is lower mens testosterone and make young girls reach puberty at an earlier age ?? Its very styrange as it costs the NHS £300,000 a year to floride Cheshires water , lol if they think am paying towards that they can ...
So do you think you shouldn't pay for sewage too? Or should we all go back to Victorian times? To say you dislike our perfectly drinkable water that comes conveniently out of a tap is a total insult to people around the world who don't have that luxury. Why should other people pay YOUR bills anyway?
#30
Crusader777
Your worried about paying a water bill ? I dont pay for water and as long as United Utilities keep adding floride to Cheshires water supply I'll never pay them a penny , theres no contract to pay water bills threrfore they hope to get lucky sending bills out and get paid.

Why do they add floride to our water when all studies have found floride added to water Does Not prevent tooth decay FACT and what it does do is lower mens testosterone and make young girls reach puberty at an earlier age ?? Its very styrange as it costs the NHS £300,000 a year to floride Cheshires water , lol if they think am paying towards that they can ...

Are you completely thick or havent learnt to read yet?

Second time lucky......

source or complete nonsense?

if people didnt have to pay for water, do you think they really would?

COuldnt give a toss about fluoridisation of water hence I want to know your source of the nonsense about we dont have to legally pay water bills.

DOH!
#31
So do you think you shouldn't pay for sewage too? Or should we all go back to Victorian times? To say you dislike our perfectly drinkable water that comes conveniently out of a tap is a total insult to people around the world who don't have that luxury. Why should other people pay YOUR bills anyway?[/quote

Not everyone pays for water removal you know , my point is I'm not paying for something that has a medicine added to it without my consent , I dont need floride in my water nore do you , its added to almost everything we put in our mouths anyway.

Insulting people all around the world ? Its quite insulting having tens of millions of our taxes go overseas to provide clean drinking water for FREE to 3rd world countries , yep they dont have the luxury of paying for every inch of their existense.

I pay taxes along with other things , and if I dont want to pay for water then I wont and other people people paying my bills ? LOL get a grip.
#32
Are you completely thick or havent learnt to read yet?

COuldnt give a toss about fluoridisation of water hence I want to know your source of the nonsense about we dont have to legally pay water bills.

Did you ever sign a contract with a water supplier ? No.... If you ever have though then yeah sure you have to pay as you have agreed by contract. Complete thickness for you right there


Edited By: Crusader777 on Jul 24, 2014 14:02
#33
Crusader777
Are you completely thick or havent learnt to read yet?

COuldnt give a toss about fluoridisation of water hence I want to know your source of the nonsense about we dont have to legally pay water bills.

Did you ever sign a contract with a water supplier ? No.... If you ever have though then yeah sure you have to pay as you have agreed by contract. Complete thickness for you right there

can you get someone to teach you how to quote properly?

you enter into a contract with all utility companies.

Still awaiting this mythical way of getting water supplied without a contract with the utility company

oh wait..................... :)

inb4 you live in a commune and raid the nearest standpipe for your water lol


Edited By: chocci on Jul 24, 2014 14:14
#34
#35
chocci
Crusader777
Are you completely thick or havent learnt to read yet?

COuldnt give a toss about fluoridisation of water hence I want to know your source of the nonsense about we dont have to legally pay water bills.

Did you ever sign a contract with a water supplier ? No.... If you ever have though then yeah sure you have to pay as you have agreed by contract. Complete thickness for you right there

can you get someone to teach you how to quote properly?

you enter into a contract with all utility companies.

Still awaiting this mythical way of getting water supplied without a contract with the utility company

oh wait..................... :)



You are so clever :D probably why the world is as
#36
Crusader777
But you could be taken to a small claims court ... doesn't really sound like something an upstanding member of a community would do not pay their bills. Do you dodge paying your tv licence too?

Edited By: redhot999 on Jul 24, 2014 14:23
#37
Crusader777
This is the UK, not Ireland. Plus that document is over 10 years old lol

Even then it states they can take you to court for non-payment. Personally, I feel a social responsibility to pay towards what I actually use in the way of gas, electric, water etc

Too many freeloaders on this site already without you encouraging them with your immoral crusade

before anyone thinks of listening to this imbecile:-

What action can your water company take to get their money back?

Whenever you get a bill, check to make sure it's your bill and has been worked out correctly. After sending your bill, a water company may:

send one or more reminder notices, with the final notice giving you seven days to pay. If you have more than one unpaid water bill, you should get separate reminder notices for each bill
telephone you to ask for payment
pass your debt to a debt recovery agent.

As a last resort, the company can take you to court to get a county court judgment to recover the money you owe. You may then get a notice of enforcement from a firm of bailiffs telling you they are going to come round. If they come, they could take goods to sell to pay the money you owe.



Edited By: chocci on Jul 24, 2014 14:26
#38
Seriously they really couldnt take anything to court unless you where somehow contracted , I dont pay tv licencing for the simple fact I dont watch tv and the bbc is owned by government.

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