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Need a USB HDD - Help Please

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2y, 1m agoPosted 2 years, 1 month ago
Hello again HUKD friends - I'm needing yet more advice please!! I need to buy a USB HDD for my new TV to allow me to record. Although I already own an external HDD, it contains lots of stuff and therefore I can't use it to record from my new TV as formatting will erase all files.

I need to buy and new one and would really welcome your advice. The blurb in the manual states that they recommend a hard drive with a minumum speed of 5,400 rpm for TV recording. Given the lateness of my post, I'd really prefer to buy it from a local retailer (e.g. Currys) so that I can collect it before Christmas. I've found this really useful thread http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/uk-s-best-hard-drive-deals-one-place-now-with-internal-external-ssd-updated-for-2088562?page=10#comments but to be honest, I need some help and advice on choosing which is the right kind - I'm a bit clueless when it comes to technology (the post I've given highlights 2.5" - is this what I'm looking for?!!)

PS - I like the idea of WiFi and I don't mind spending up to about £140 if needs be.

Thank you yet again!!!
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2y, 1m agoPosted 2 years, 1 month ago
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#1
Do you want to record & save? or just record watch delete? If you want to record & then delete, a usb memory stick will do,

What is the make & model of tv?

SSD is overkill, a 2.5" usb hard drive will be ok. I just use a 16gb stick, my samsung records to a special file system that can only be read by the samsung, my digihome records to FAT32 which can be played elsewhere.

wifi won't be any good if your tv doesn't have a network connection
#2
Thank you Bybblegum for replying - I'd rather record and save. It'll be for cartoons and films etc. I have a Samsung UE50h6500......omg, the FAT32 and network connection thing is over my head sorry!! :(
#4
I can't say, that is usb 3, I think your tv will be usb 2, I think your tv is a smart tv, so it can be connected to a network.
also the hard drive needs a psu, you might be better with a 2.5" portable drive.
5TB is very big, the samsung will format it which will take a long time.

If you are not sure, you could email samsung tech support

If I were you, I would start with a portable 500GB drive, see how you get on with that

To use the smart functions you need to connect it to your router, you could use homeplugs, but that is another thing.
#5
Thank you Bubblegum. The tele is a SmartTV and I've managed to connect it to the router. I've checked the spec - it is usb2 (didn't even know what that was until a minute ago! ;) ) The pic on the setup sheet that shows you where everything connects to shows a USB being plugged into the HDD slot which is what's confusing me a little. x
#6
It has a built in PVR seemingly if that helps?!
#7
Ok, so you have a network that means you can install apps etc

The pvr function means you can record to a usb, however, if it's like mine, the tv will format it, which means, you will only be able to play back on the tv.

Now, if you want to play movies etc from a usb, you cannot copy movies to the pvr usb, because a pc will not see anything.
So, you would need to have a separate usb for that.

Where are you going to get movies from? torrents, newsgroups? or will you rip dvd's?

If you want to play anything larger than 4GB, you need to format to ntfs.

Confusing, isn't it.
#8
bubblegum2910
Ok, so you have a network that means you can install apps etc

The pvr function means you can record to a usb, however, if it's like mine, the tv will format it, which means, you will only be able to play back on the tv.

Now, if you want to play movies etc from a usb, you cannot copy movies to the pvr usb, because a pc will not see anything.
So, you would need to have a separate usb for that.

Where are you going to get movies from? torrents, newsgroups? or will you rip dvd's?

If you want to play anything larger than 4GB, you need to format to ntfs.

Confusing, isn't it.

OMG It is confusing, however your explanation is wonderful, thank you!! I'll probably be getting movies from numerous sources - the TV itself (e.g. Christmas films showing on tele), and torrents (which I used to do years ago from the likes of TorrentPond - not sure where best to get them from safely now). I only intended watching the films etc on the TV, however if it was possible to copy them onto the iPad to take on holiday, then that would be brilliant, although certainly not essential.

Oh it's mindboggling!!
#9
Ok, by recording from tv, you will only ever be able to play on the tv.

Now, as you have the network, you could buy a NAS (Network Attached Storage)

I hope you are ready to be even more confused.

If you buy a synology nas http://www.amazon.co.uk/Synology-DiskStation-Desktop-Network-Attached/dp/B00MO6ZV52/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419117755&sr=8-1&keywords=ds115j

You would then need to buy a hard drive & fit it. Connect the nas via a network cable to your router. the tv should then see it, & any movies on it.

The samsung tv should be able to install DS Video app, the Synology nas also has an app called Videostation, this will show movies with pretty pictures ie fanart & synopsis on the tv.

The nas has download station, which means you can download torrents, the nas is low powered so I leave mine on all the time. Most movie torrents will download overnight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD9jq5o1fiA
#10
Once you have the movies, you might need to convert them to watch on an ipad away from home

But I expect the ipad would see the nas, & the movies on it. so you could watch movies on the ipad over your home network.
#11
Oh wow Bubblegum - where do you learn all this stuff?!! I'm heading to bed in a mo (little ones that'll wake up at the crack of dawn!!) but will try to digest and understand all this technology. I'll no doubt have another few questions to ask you by tomorrow, if you don't mind. Meanwhile, thank you so much for all your help - it's so kind of you. Sleep well :) x
#12
More for you to ponder. xbmc/kodi google for this. Basically a free software that shows up movie details & synopsis, better than the synology video station. XBMC also has things called add ons, so you can stream movies & tv over the internet, some of this is illegal, people can stream sky, but that is illegal.

You can get all sorts of media players that now have xbmc. A media player has an hdmi port which plugs straight into a tv, any movies on an internal drive or a usb drive plugged into the media player will play directly on the tv.
Advantage of a media player is, most will play movies with things like DTS (digital theatre sound?) A lot of media players have a torrent client, so you can download to this. One disadvantage, might be, you need a network connection to the media player, & one to the tv.

examples http://www.futeko.com/products/MP058.php uses external usb drive

http://www.futeko.com/products/MP059.php uses internal hard drive

some devices have android apps, but can also have xbmc

Not sure if these examples have a built in torrent client.

A good website to ask questions about media players https://www.avforums.com/forums/streamers-network-media-players.332/

With little ones, it will be difficult to find time to check out these things.

I will be out today, but you can still post questions.
#13
Omg I'm totally confused now lol! I've read the blurb on the link re the external usb drive u mentioned and I am completely lost.....speaking Japanese would be easier! Xx
#14
Ok, forgetting torrents.

If you just want to record from your tv, pretty much any usb hard drive should work,.

The Samsung website says usb 2, but there are not many usb 2 around, I would suggest you buy a 500gb hard drive from Argos, if it doesn't work, then take it back.

You do realise, that you will only be able to watch things from the hard drive on the tv, if you plug it into a pc, you will be asked to format it.
#15
Lol bubblegum, I get the torrent stuff and actually think being able to source films from torrent client is just what I need. I'm just a tad confused when it comes to the para starting "advantage of a media player..." Eg would the media player be plugged in to the tv or router (they're at opposite sides of living room ) and bearing in mind both need a network connection, do u get wifi media players to allow for this if it has to be situated next to tv. So sorry for all the questions x
#16
A media player has hdmi you would plug that directly into the tv.

You would need a network connection, I assume you have a network connection to the tv anyway, so if you had a network switch, you would plug the network cable that you already have into the switch, then another 2 network cables would come out of it, one to the tv one to the media player.
A network switch basically has several ports, that look like the ports on your router.
Some media players do have a wifi, so you wouldn't need a network switch. but playing movies over wifi, might mean they slow down or lag.

The thing is, not all types of movies you download, will actually play on the tv, but a media player, "converts" it, so it will play on the tv.

so you have plugged the tv into the router by a cable?

I'm sorry, I think I am going into too much detail.
#17
A portable USB HDD of whateversize you want, plug it in, the TV will format it, record.

When you want to watch your own media then just plug your own HDD into the USB on the TV.
#18
as above, but you will need two drives. One to record, because Samsung use an unreadable (on a pc) file system.

& one to play your own media.
#19
Huge apologies for not thanking you before now - Christmas and New Year has gotten in the way! I so appreciate all your help, especially Bubblegum!! I haven't yet bought anything - I'm still pondering, but you've definitely made it clearer for me and I am very grateful! xx
#20
My panosonic ( not a Samsung) has a sd card slot. I put a 32gig card in which I bought for £10 and record to that for times the recorded is busy. I think if you want to record tv then a dedicated pvr like a humux on freeview would be better or tivo /sky contract. If I want to play mkv or mp4 I use a usb stick with no problems plugged into tv. I have friends that have servers and Nas boxes but it's all a bit complicated but that may interest you. Hope you get it sorted

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