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Elderly mother in law rang recently saying she had been told by a plumber that her boiler was unsafe and needed replacing and that the current position built into a wall requires it to be moved. He q… Read More
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7m, 3w agoPosted 7 months, 3 weeks ago
Elderly mother in law rang recently saying she had been told by a plumber that her boiler was unsafe and needed replacing and that the current position built into a wall requires it to be moved. He quoted 6k for a new boiler and moving it. I have looked and even though she is blind and deaf and wheel chair bound as she has savings she has no benefits and therefore can't get a free boiler on one of these schemes you hear all the time about. Another relative rang someone from the yellow pages who has just quoted £8k for a new boiler in a new position but his guy said my mother in law who is disabled and needs to aids and facilities in her home that she needs to move out for an entire week or more to have the work done, tbh it sounds like he wants to replumb the whole house from scratch small old 2 bed house.

What with it being winter I am worried that these people are pressure selling over winter when the elderly think they have to have the work done and pay what ever, I do not now if the people who gave the quotes know each other they do live locally. Also the quotes being rounded sums of exactly 6 and 8k I thought was odd.

I read the other day that boilers on average cost 1.5k, the room the boiler is in/next to is a room which has an external wall so its not miles it needs to move. If the boiler is built into a wall I am suprised it would be that hard to move and if the case couldn't you disconnect and reroute all lines to the new one and leave the old one.in situ?

Another relative tried to get british gas round and had issue/delay, maybe they will offer honest quote?

The boiler is approx 20 years old and 7 new radiators were added to system 6 years ago no issues rased then with boiler. No issue with boiler full stop in 20 years this 'first' guy was just recommented to come service it and said there was issue.
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muddassarsardar
pinkleponkle
As a gas safe registered person I can't tell you that is grossly overpriced. There is a fair bit of adaption as the current system is clearly dated, but still £4000 tops still makes the installer an incredible wage for what's not even a weeks work. Go elsewhere he's clearly taking advantage of a vulnerable person.
completey agree what would u say roughly was the cost for a new boiler 7 rads and all copper pipes and fittings for say a 26kwh/34kw boiler.maybe a woscter bosh. between 1500 hundred and 2000. I'm sure that would ideal for something like this. and say a weeks wages for 1 fully qualified guy and his apprentice an out 600/800+ 300/400 taking all the top figures 2000+800+400= 3200 I would say is a good price at the maximum for someone whom doesnt know many people in the field.
This isn't even radiators, just a boiler change. It's an obscene price, if you ripped it all out and put in a completely new system it wouldn't cost £7000, he's trying it on and why us genuine gas guys get such a bad name. I can't believe their entertaining him.

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#1
put it this way we've just had a boiler replaced
1150 so I'm my eyes your getting well and truly ripped off
a baxi boiler 7 year guarantee are around 900quid in screw fix and plumbers get these at trade prices
#2
My experience of British Gas is they will always be expensive, but they do provide an honest quote and won't recommend a new boiler unless it's really needed. If I were you though, I would take over dealing with the companies that have quoted and ask the mother in law to just tell them you are handling it and to call you. What you're saying above sounds like a con to me.
#3
Is there asbestos in the home ? Also is in installed into the wall ?
#4
should be under £1500 new boiler supplied and fitted in under a day,
no need to even leave the house.
#5
kester76
Is there asbestos in the home ? Also is in installed into the wall ?

no asbestos, I describe it as a hidden cove with a detactable door where the boiler is, possibly done to keep it out of sight.
#6
potatokid
kester76
Is there asbestos in the home ? Also is in installed into the wall ?
no asbestos, I describe it as a hidden cove with a detactable door where the boiler is, possibly done to keep it out of sight.

Is the exhaust near a door or close to the neighbors property?
#7
The prices people are quoting are just plucked out of thin air, it could be anything between £1500-£4000.

Remember it can't be done properly in a day, BG are one of the worst for selling unnecessary boilers/extras (gotta meet those targets), and an old system needs work to bring it up to current standards.

Why can't someone be with your mother in law when the chap is quoting, it will be much easier for both parties. Try looking on the Intergas website for an approved installer.
#8
I would suggest using the local papers and \ or mybuilder.com and get at least 5-6 quotes.

Some people try it on or at times price themselves out of a job they don't want to do.

I'm no plumber but I have a good understanding of central heating. I don't believe there would be any reason to re-plumb any pipes no matter how old they are. The only pipework required would be to physically move it to the new location. Most boilers run off a 13 amp plug so electrics are not normally an issue. The themostats are usually wireless as well, so again not something to bump up the cost.

Yes you could leave the old boiler in place, but why would you. The old boiler would have to be disconnected anyway to reroute the pipes, removing it is the easy bit. At most they would have to fill in the hole where the old flu was and you would arrange to having any decorating done to tidy it up.

We had a boiler moved from an upstairs bedroom to the kitchen downstairs. This was all done in a day, long day though, 7:30am-10:30pm, and the plumber was on his own.

Like any trade there is good and bad. My mums really old boiler, (30 years old), broke down about 10 years ago, she was quoted 3k worth of work. She was told all the pipes had to be replaced as they were the old sizes and that's why the boiler had broke. She got another quote of £1500 from a guy who said a lot of components have to be made up!!!

I fixed the boiler for £11, new pump from Wickes! She did eventually replace the boiler but after the pump I fitted it ran for another 4 years.

So as I said, get plenty of quotes.
#9
Yes its a rip off -FULL STOP !

Get quotes from 3 sources including British Gas (who will be way expensive but nowhere near £6-£8 K ) . I had a new boiler from these guys 2 years ago http://www.northerngasheating.com/ . Vaillant Ecotec plus 831 with 7 year warranty about £2.8K including new pipework to move from downstairs kitchen to redundant upstairs airing cupboard and removal of old tanks -changed from system boiler to combi (boy have the bills gone down!) .

BG were just under £5K for same thing and 2 local plumbers just under £4K for same job .

To be fair a 20year old boiler will not be very efficient and your Mother in Law will notice the savings straight away as well as having a warranty (same day sorting in Vaillants case) .

I would doubt she should be paying more than £3k tops for a new boiler and installation unless there is lots of extra work needed . These guys did it in about 8hours - boiler supply, fitting and removal of old tanks from loft and repiping .

Unless things have changed over the last 2 years I would steer clear of Baxi etc (cheap and cheerful but not reliable long term ) Vaillant and Worcester Bosch were the top picks 2 years ago for reliability and service (Which report) .

Edited By: rogparki on Dec 02, 2016 20:20: add
#10
Might be worth posting what area you need the work done at. Could be some decent plumbers on here, :)
#11
catbeans
potatokid
kester76
Is there asbestos in the home ? Also is in installed into the wall ?
no asbestos, I describe it as a hidden cove with a detactable door where the boiler is, possibly done to keep it out of sight.
Is the exhaust near a door or close to the neighbors property?

no idea but no neighbouring properties
#12
themorgatron
The prices people are quoting are just plucked out of thin air, it could be anything between £1500-£4000.

Remember it can't be done properly in a day, BG are one of the worst for selling unnecessary boilers/extras (gotta meet those targets), and an old system needs work to bring it up to current standards.

Why can't someone be with your mother in law when the chap is quoting, it will be much easier for both parties. Try looking on the Intergas website for an approved installer.

Mother has a carer there but she won't tell us much not helpful, we all work, we are going to try and be there for future quotes. You say it can't be done in a day but 2/3 other people have said they have had it done in a day even with on person fitting? Maybe jobs vary alot?
#13
myapps
I would suggest using the local papers and \ or mybuilder.com and get at least 5-6 quotes.

Some people try it on or at times price themselves out of a job they don't want to do.

I'm no plumber but I have a good understanding of central heating. I don't believe there would be any reason to re-plumb any pipes no matter how old they are. The only pipework required would be to physically move it to the new location. Most boilers run off a 13 amp plug so electrics are not normally an issue. The themostats are usually wireless as well, so again not something to bump up the cost.

Yes you could leave the old boiler in place, but why would you. The old boiler would have to be disconnected anyway to reroute the pipes, removing it is the easy bit. At most they would have to fill in the hole where the old flu was and you would arrange to having any decorating done to tidy it up.

We had a boiler moved from an upstairs bedroom to the kitchen downstairs. This was all done in a day, long day though, 7:30am-10:30pm, and the plumber was on his own.

Like any trade there is good and bad. My mums really old boiler, (30 years old), broke down about 10 years ago, she was quoted 3k worth of work. She was told all the pipes had to be replaced as they were the old sizes and that's why the boiler had broke. She got another quote of £1500 from a guy who said a lot of components have to be made up!!!

I fixed the boiler for £11, new pump from Wickes! She did eventually replace the boiler but after the pump I fitted it ran for another 4 years.

So as I said, get plenty of quotes.

well done fixing for £11, yeah trying to get lots of quotes but getting pressure from plumber quoting £8k saying he needs to turn it off, but she would more likely die of cold then a boiler fault tbh
#14
rogparki
Yes its a rip off -FULL STOP !

Get quotes from 3 sources including British Gas (who will be way expensive but nowhere near £6-£8 K ) . I had a new boiler from these guys 2 years ago http://www.northerngasheating.com/ . Vaillant Ecotec plus 831 with 7 year warranty about £2.8K including new pipework to move from downstairs kitchen to redundant upstairs airing cupboard and removal of old tanks -changed from system boiler to combi (boy have the bills gone down!) .

BG were just under £5K for same thing and 2 local plumbers just under £4K for same job .

To be fair a 20year old boiler will not be very efficient and your Mother in Law will notice the savings straight away as well as having a warranty (same day sorting in Vaillants case) .

I would doubt she should be paying more than £3k tops for a new boiler and installation unless there is lots of extra work needed . These guys did it in about 8hours - boiler supply, fitting and removal of old tanks from loft and repiping .

Unless things have changed over the last 2 years I would steer clear of Baxi etc (cheap and cheerful but not reliable long term ) Vaillant and Worcester Bosch were the top picks 2 years ago for reliability and service (Which report) .

thanks all taken on board
#15
spoke to carer who is there most the time, and she really has no idea at the job etc, but seemed to suggest they had to move out because the heating would be off for a week, so possibly not that the whole place is being repiped who knows till i see the quote. But still doesnt sound right he is taking a week or more to do 1-2 days work based on other peoples experience.
#16
potatokid
catbeans
potatokid
kester76
Is there asbestos in the home ? Also is in installed into the wall ?
no asbestos, I describe it as a hidden cove with a detactable door where the boiler is, possibly done to keep it out of sight.
Is the exhaust near a door or close to the neighbors property?
no idea but no neighbouring properties

I would ask why it has to be moved from its current place, unless the new one is to big for the alcove or there is a problem with where the flu / exhaust is, which probably is fixable with a kit, it nay not need to be moved.
#17
Well before all the talk of replacing it. What is wrong with the current one? I'm guessing it's not been deemed unsafe as it would have been disconnected.
Getting hold of the service sheet should give you the reasons.

Do we know what boiler model it is? I'm guessing by the age it is a wall mounted system boiler?

So to remove old boiler, tanks, relocate (expect new 22mm gas pipe needed as likely on 15mm) and associated pipework I'd expect at minimum of £1800 for a one man band. I'd expect £4k-£5k quote from BG.

But you won't/can't get a good quote without seeing it.
#18
Just go into your local trade plumbing merchants and ask the manager who they recommend for installation of a decent boiler (eg. Valiant). I would also recommend a proper power flush of the system prior to fitting a new boiler.
#19
catbeans
potatokid
catbeans
potatokid
kester76
Is there asbestos in the home ? Also is in installed into the wall ?
no asbestos, I describe it as a hidden cove with a detactable door where the boiler is, possibly done to keep it out of sight.
Is the exhaust near a door or close to the neighbors property?
no idea but no neighbouring properties
I would ask why it has to be moved from its current place, unless the new one is to big for the alcove or there is a problem with where the flu / exhaust is, which probably is fixable with a kit, it nay not need to be moved.

valid point def something to ask
#20
potatokid
rogparki
Yes its a rip off -FULL STOP !
Get quotes from 3 sources including British Gas (who will be way expensive but nowhere near £6-£8 K ) . I had a new boiler from these guys 2 years ago http://www.northerngasheating.com/ . Vaillant Ecotec plus 831 with 7 year warranty about £2.8K including new pipework to move from downstairs kitchen to redundant upstairs airing cupboard and removal of old tanks -changed from system boiler to combi (boy have the bills gone down!) .
BG were just under £5K for same thing and 2 local plumbers just under £4K for same job .
To be fair a 20year old boiler will not be very efficient and your Mother in Law will notice the savings straight away as well as having a warranty (same day sorting in Vaillants case) .
I would doubt she should be paying more than £3k tops for a new boiler and installation unless there is lots of extra work needed . These guys did it in about 8hours - boiler supply, fitting and removal of old tanks from loft and repiping .
Unless things have changed over the last 2 years I would steer clear of Baxi etc (cheap and cheerful but not reliable long term ) Vaillant and Worcester Bosch were the top picks 2 years ago for reliability and service (Which report) .
thanks all taken on board
It won't need to be moved because of size , new ones are half the size of 15 year old ones . Only issue may be where the flue needs to vent . Still had mine moved from downstairs to upstairs ,still done in a day .
#21
To be honest if it isn't broke I'd wait until winter is over anyway and that's even if she actually needs a new boiler. I paid £1300 for a new Vailiant boiler last year and it was done in a day.
#22
oh that was with a system flush too
#23
GAVINLEWISHUKD
Well before all the talk of replacing it. What is wrong with the current one? I'm guessing it's not been deemed unsafe as it would have been disconnected.
Getting hold of the service sheet should give you the reasons.

Do we know what boiler model it is? I'm guessing by the age it is a wall mounted system boiler?

So to remove old boiler, tanks, relocate (expect new 22mm gas pipe needed as likely on 15mm) and associated pipework I'd expect at minimum of £1800 for a one man band. I'd expect £4k-£5k quote from BG.

But you won't/can't get a good quote without seeing it.

yes I think we really need to know the old boiler has a fault, afraid I don't know anything of model etc.bilmey BG do price high!!
#24
My parents have just this week had a complete central heating system fitted which included eight radiators, a boiler, all new pipework and the removal of the old system. The price was just over £4000 and was competed in a day.
Your quotes are way over the top.
#25
I would recommend getting three quotes and have yourself and wife present.
My advice for what its worth is to get a Baxi approved installer.
http://installers.baxi.co.uk
the other quotes check they are gas safe registered https://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/find-an-engineer/
If you live on or near the Wirral I can whole heartedly recommend a baxi approved installer who did a fantastic install for my mother really nice brothers £2,000 less than British Gas (total £3750) and better location for boiler than BG proposed (£650 for scaffolding that wasn't needed!).
Also get a Nest thermostat with stand - has a large dial for adjusting also you and your wife can keep an eye on your mother in law and make sure that she is keeping warm in these cold winter months via the Nest app.
Also a Dot could be used to set thermostat "Alexa Set Nest To 20 degrees"
hope this helps

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/weather/11382808/Winter-death-toll-to-exceed-40000.html




Edited By: deany76 on Dec 02, 2016 21:17: -
#26
momartin
To be honest if it isn't broke I'd wait until winter is over anyway and that's even if she actually needs a new boiler. I paid £1300 for a new Vailiant boiler last year and it was done in a day.

Well its the threat it is dangerous which is forcing it being fixed but these are from two plumbers we don't know or fully trust at this point and I get the impression the carer has called the second plumber and just said what the first one said i.e. dangerous needs replacing so the second plumber could be running with the same concept while adding £2k to price. Moving her at her age could kill her/turning off heating could kill her with cold/ leaving it on actually could be safer option. They have had not a single fault or problem with the boiler in 20 years and it is still fault free, they have smelt no gas ever and they have carbon monoxide detector and that shows nothing.
#27
cuzzy
My parents have just this week had a complete central heating system fitted which included eight radiators, a boiler, all new pipework and the removal of the old system. The price was just over £4000 and was competed in a day.
Your quotes are way over the top.

That's a good price. But unless the house was empty or they wall mounted the pipework I can't seen how they managed it in a day?
Would take me 3 days.
#28
GAVINLEWISHUKD
cuzzy
My parents have just this week had a complete central heating system fitted which included eight radiators, a boiler, all new pipework and the removal of the old system. The price was just over £4000 and was competed in a day.
Your quotes are way over the top.
That's a good price. But unless the house was empty or they wall mounted the pipework I can't seen how they managed it in a day?
Would take me 3 days.
yes i did think thats surely impossible all new pipework and all
#29
GAVINLEWISHUKD
cuzzy
My parents have just this week had a complete central heating system fitted which included eight radiators, a boiler, all new pipework and the removal of the old system. The price was just over £4000 and was competed in a day.
Your quotes are way over the top.
That's a good price. But unless the house was empty or they wall mounted the pipework I can't seen how they managed it in a day?
Would take me 3 days.
All pipework upstairs is hidden under the floor, the pipework downstairs is surface mounted but concealed in conduit. I am really impressed with the quality of their work and the speed at which it was done. They even cleaned up before they left... 8am until 6pm with 3 fitters and one electrician.
#30
seems like a lot of money but i am no expert.

where does your mother in law live? may someone can recommened a local person.
#31
Oh and the house is occupied. :)
#32
deany76
I would recommend getting three quotes and have yourself and wife present.
My advice for what its worth is to get a Baxi approved installer.
http://installers.baxi.co.uk
the other quotes check they are gas safe registered https://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/find-an-engineer/
If you live on or near the Wirral I can whole heartedly recommend a baxi approved installer who did a fantastic install for my mother really nice brothers £2,000 less than British Gas (total £3750) and better location for boiler than BG proposed (£650 for scaffolding that wasn't needed!).
Also get a Nest thermostat with stand - has a large dial for adjusting also you and your wife can keep an eye on your mother in law and make sure that she is keeping warm in these cold winter months via the Nest app.
Also a Dot could be used to set thermostat "Alexa Set Nest To 20 degrees"
hope this helps

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/weather/11382808/Winter-death-toll-to-exceed-40000.html




Thanks for recommendations of products, but likely go for simple cheap options, we pay for carers constantly so mother correct temp, but we're not one for modern tech either, no plans on learning modern tech either sorry, we don't like change.
#33
potatokid
GAVINLEWISHUKD
cuzzy
My parents have just this week had a complete central heating system fitted which included eight radiators, a boiler, all new pipework and the removal of the old system. The price was just over £4000 and was competed in a day.
Your quotes are way over the top.
That's a good price. But unless the house was empty or they wall mounted the pipework I can't seen how they managed it in a day?
Would take me 3 days.
yes i did think thats surely impossible all new pipework and all

Well you can but it would look like an episode of DIY SOS! X)
#34
There are quite a few unhelpful comments here. Not many have asked what the set up is but are gladly spouting about it shouldn't cost that much because mine was X amount. If those have had a combi for combi boiler swap then it will be relatively cheap and straight forward. You can get this done for around 2k supplied and fitted. It sounds that this job is a lot more complex and needs a lot more work. You have to bear in mind that heating engineers sometimes vastly overprice the job when they don't want to do it if it seems like it's going to be a pig of a job.

It sounds like the first engineer overpriced the job and then the second engineer was told the price and undercut by a couple of grand.

British Gas are stupidly over priced and I can't believe people use them. Get them in to do a quote and then you know the top price you will have to pay.

What boilers did the guys quote for?
#35
Its in the southwest but have a couple people to quote yet who we trustmore, possibly BG as well, so will see how they go before bothering other people for quotes.
#36
6k is a rip off I'm pretty sure the grants available don't take into consideration of savings as long as u get certain benefits and earn under 16k. ring around a few companies there's one in Preston which covers a large area they travel as far down as to stoke on trent about 70/80 miles away so they may travel further afield. failing that a full central heating package would only cost around 1000 to say 2000 depending on brand. and fitting shouldn't be more than 1000. they would just need remove the old tanks from loft or just empty them to keep costs down and the back boiler can stay in place as pointless removing it if it's not taking any spaces fitting 7 radiators and boiler from as a new system and taking out the old ones shouldn't take more than a few days for a half decent fitter and at even a decent wage off 200/300 pounds a day it should be more than 1000 pounds more around 600/800. off a decent person. so please be very wary of these rip off things.
#37
6k is a rip off I'm pretty sure the grants available don't take into consideration of savings as long as u get certain benefits and earn under 16k. ring around a few companies there's one in Preston which covers a large area they travel as far down as to stoke on trent about 70/80 miles away so they may travel further afield. failing that a full central heating package would only cost around 1000 to say 2000 depending on brand. and fitting shouldn't be more than 1000. they would just need remove the old tanks from loft or just empty them to keep costs down and the back boiler can stay in place as pointless removing it if it's not taking any spaces fitting 7 radiators and boiler from as a new system and taking out the old ones shouldn't take more than a few days for a half decent fitter and at even a decent wage off 200/300 pounds a day it should be no more than 1000 pounds more around 600/800. off a decent person. so please be very wary of these rip off things.
#38
2015
There are quite a few unhelpful comments here. Not many have asked what the set up is but are gladly spouting about it shouldn't cost that much because mine was X amount. If those have had a combi for combi boiler swap then it will be relatively cheap and straight forward. You can get this done for around 2k supplied and fitted. It sounds that this job is a lot more complex and needs a lot more work. You have to bear in mind that heating engineers sometimes vastly overprice the job when they don't want to do it if it seems like it's going to be a pig of a job.

It sounds like the first engineer overpriced the job and then the second engineer was told the price and undercut by a couple of grand.

British Gas are stupidly over priced and I can't believe people use them. Get them in to do a quote and then you know the top price you will have to pay.

What boilers did the guys quote for?
no idea on quotes at this point all word of mouth at the moment, if I get them, i'll post up details
#39
potatokid
deany76
I would recommend getting three quotes and have yourself and wife present.
My advice for what its worth is to get a Baxi approved installer. http://installers.baxi.co.uk
the other quotes check they are gas safe registered https://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/find-an-engineer/
If you live on or near the Wirral I can whole heartedly recommend a baxi approved installer who did a fantastic install for my mother really nice brothers £2,000 less than British Gas (total £3750) and better location for boiler than BG proposed (£650 for scaffolding that wasn't needed!).
Also get a Nest thermostat with stand - has a large dial for adjusting also you and your wife can keep an eye on your mother in law and make sure that she is keeping warm in these cold winter months via the Nest app.
Also a Dot could be used to set thermostat "Alexa Set Nest To 20 degrees"
hope this helpshttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/weather/11382808/Winter-death-toll-to-exceed-40000.html
Thanks for recommendations of products, but likely go for simple cheap options, we pay for carers constantly so mother correct temp, but we're not one for modern tech either, no plans on learning modern tech either sorry, we don't like change.
Hi
The total for boiler and 8 rads 5 days work two staff inc Nest was £4,000. I would say for a 10 year Baxi gaurantee installed by Baxi approved engineers I would say thats great value.
My mum is 83 and can adjust the Nest, she has the learning aspect OFF as she is home 90% of the day.
Nest is easy if you are writing on this forum you must have a PC or Mac so you can see the temp of your mother in laws house from your computer at nest.com
Whole heatedly recommend Baxi and Nest (with learning OFF)
Avoid BG.
Maybe forget Dot.
Hope this helps
Cheers



Edited By: deany76 on Dec 02, 2016 21:34
#40
cuzzy
GAVINLEWISHUKD
cuzzy
My parents have just this week had a complete central heating system fitted which included eight radiators, a boiler, all new pipework and the removal of the old system. The price was just over £4000 and was competed in a day.
Your quotes are way over the top.
That's a good price. But unless the house was empty or they wall mounted the pipework I can't seen how they managed it in a day?
Would take me 3 days.
All pipework upstairs is hidden under the floor, the pipework downstairs is surface mounted but concealed in conduit. I am really impressed with the quality of their work and the speed at which it was done. They even cleaned up before they left... 8am until 6pm with 3 fitters and one electrician.

Well 4 bodies makes it easier. :) The usual issues is getting everything moved where it's not in the way so you can take enough floor up to get the pipework done.
It's only going to get worse. Modern homes rooms are tiny. I pity the guys who will be trying to do it in 30 years time! X)

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