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I live towards the end of a road that connects with another road. I have this ** in my neighbourhood who doesn't live on my road but at the crossroads of the other road ( four houses away ). His ga… Read More
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4m, 3w agoPosted 4 months, 3 weeks ago
I live towards the end of a road that connects with another road.

I have this ** in my neighbourhood who doesn't live on my road but at the crossroads of the other road ( four houses away ). His garden faces my garden. He moved in two years ago with his family and quite regularly, he listens to radio music on weekends from midday to 9PM. He also does this on public holidays.

I keep my windows closed ( obviously ) but can still hear the music lightly.

Once a month, he also gets his mates round and then they get drunk and scream / yell / sing / play drums up until 3AM. Last year, he also bought a cockerel and that kept crowing regularly throughout the day. It took me weeks to figure out who was actually responsible ( using your ears to track direction of sound is not at all easy ). He had it for a meal and then it stopped.

He has also built a second conservatory and this has a chimney. When he cooks ( most likely using wood ) , you can see smoke and then I have to again close my windows to keep out the smell.

I rung the council out of hours noise team on multiple occassions and they always want to come to my house to assess the noise and then take action. I object to them coming to my house for this farce and each time they send off a warning letter to the **'s house. I asked them why they couldn't just drive past the **'s house and see for themselves. Apparently, they don't operate that way!

I have sent a few anonymous recorded letters to the ** making him aware of the music and our law and related fines.

Nothing has improved and this continues and I am at my wit's end. I don't want to talk to the ** as I believe it will be useless and all we'll do is have a swearing competition.

Has anyone experienced the same and what success have you had ?
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4m, 3w agoPosted 4 months, 3 weeks ago
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So you want the council to send him a warning, with no evidence. And you won't let them in your house to collect any evidence? Seems legit.

No, it really doesn't work that way.

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banned#1
Does he have a dog?
#2
Keep ringing the council they will take action when they get fed up with u calling.

Or u vould burn his house down when he goes out
#3
So you want the council to send him a warning, with no evidence. And you won't let them in your house to collect any evidence? Seems legit.

No, it really doesn't work that way.
#4
Have you spoken to any of your other neighbours to see if they are equally annoyed? If more than 1 person complains they will maybe pay more attention to the complaint (though this shouldn't be the case).
#5
Buy some noise cancelling headphones
#6
I had serious problems with neighbours last year. You must keep a log of everything. Keep a pen and paper handy and write time, date, nature of noise and how loud out of ten. This can be used to build your case with the council. Good luck
banned#7
I have sent a few anonymous recorded letters to the ** making him aware of the music and our law and related fines.

Can t say I would take any notice of anonymous letters. In fact I might ring the police about them if there were several.
#8
The council have offered to come out and assess the noise. You've declined.

What more do you want to happen? You've blocked their assistance.

I had a noisy neighbour. The council came to my house. Assessed the noise from inside my property. Wrote a letter to the culprit and it stopped. Job done.
banned#9
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#10
moneysavingkitten
So you want the council to send him a warning, with no evidence. And you won't let them in your house to collect any evidence? Seems legit.
No, it really doesn't work that way.

I used to live in another borough and the council's noise team would park outside and collect evidence. Why can't the same be done ? Surely, the noise can be heard from the front of **'s house.

Edited By: zworld on Dec 30, 2016 17:27
#11
You have to log everything otherwise council will do nothing. Keep a diary

Edited By: Marrilyn on Dec 30, 2016 17:32
#12
Unfortunately people like that dont stop. What the council are asking is correct as they need to gather evidence first. If its that bad I'm surprised no one else has also called them.
These people who have a disregard for everyone usually have to be taken to court and its a long process.
I feel sorry for you having to deal with this but you need to let the council in and start recording it. You should also keep a diary of events.
#13
zworld
moneysavingkitten
So you want the council to send him a warning, with no evidence. And you won't let them in your house to collect any evidence? Seems legit.
No, it really doesn't work that way.
I used to live in another borough and the council's noise team would park outside and collect evidence. Why can't the same be done ? The nosie can be heard from the front of **'s house as well?

Because your complaint is you're being disturbed in your house. Collecting evidence outside your house doesn't prove you are being disturbed in your house. If there's some other reason you don't want them to come in your house, that's your problem.

I see from your comment you have form for making these complaints then?

Edited By: moneysavingkitten on Dec 30, 2016 17:31
#14
Without allowing the council into your property they cannot "prove" the problem - is that it is a "nuisance" to others within earshot.

The idea of seeing if the neighbours agree with the issue and then a joint attack via the Council has certain merit.

Good luck either way - it's just crazy how some folks don't give a s**t about their neighbours - me, me, me attitude!
#15
If you are four houses away and the only one complaining I can't see much being done. Speak to the other houses that are next to yours and next to his and see if you can come up with a collective complaint. I'm sure if all three or four of you complained the council would have to act.
If not send in the heavies...that always works.
#16
moneysavingkitten
zworld
moneysavingkitten
So you want the council to send him a warning, with no evidence. And you won't let them in your house to collect any evidence? Seems legit.
No, it really doesn't work that way.
I used to live in another borough and the council's noise team would park outside and collect evidence. Why can't the same be done ? The nosie can be heard from the front of **'s house as well?
Because your complaint is your being disturbed in your house. Collecting evidence outside your house doesn't prove you are being disturbed in your house. If there's some other reason you don't want them to come in your house, that's your problem.
I see from your comment you have form for making these complaints then?

Not outside my house. Outside **'s house.
Nothing dodgy in my house guv :3 I kind of look at it as a hassle.

At my previous house in the other borough, my next door decided to rent his house to international students who played loud music all night long and had different hookers over every night and our living room window was also smashed. I then called the council. We moved houses two weeks later as we couldn't tolerate it anymore.


Edited By: zworld on Dec 30, 2016 17:39
#17
phone the police they will soon sort them out
#18
He keeps a rooster but then had it for a meal...You must know your neighbour quite intimately to know his eating habits.
Should have complained to DEFRA...
When I read posts like this I start to wionder who really has the problem. What, he uses his Chimney, how dare he.
#19
princess23
phone the police they will soon sort them out
No. They won't.
#20
princess23
phone the police they will soon sort them out
Oh yeah...what part of the country do you live in then? In this part of the country (Hampshire) you're lucky if they'll come out to a burglary or even a serious assault.
Sorry...just seen your username and didn't realise you were in the palace.

Edited By: philhib1964 on Dec 30, 2016 17:44
banned#21
princess23
phone the police they will soon sort them out
thats right princess
banned#22
Is it a council estate?
#23
Nothing you can do. Logs, recordings etc all pointless. All youre doing is devaluing your house.
#24
jasmineinlondon
princess23
phone the police they will soon sort them out
thats right princess

Roflmao!
#25
They have to do it from inside the house to see if its breaking the law on sound levels, if its only outside its not breaking laws because its not stopping you sleep or anything
banned#26
Mrepg
jasmineinlondon
princess23
phone the police they will soon sort them out
thats right princess
Roflmao!

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#27
Judging by your post it seems you're very aggressively angry about it. Man up and have a word, if it's that bad your neighbours will have your back. Otherwise follow the correct procedure and let them in to record the noise levels as you're not helping yourself at the moment.
banned#28
JohnnyRoller
Judging by your post it seems you're very aggressively angry about it. Man up and have a word, if it's that bad your neighbours will have your back. Otherwise follow the correct procedure and let them in to record the noise levels as you're not helping yourself at the moment.

But Johnny if everyone did that, there would be no misc or miskers and what would people do with their day?? :{
#29
I like your train of thought :{
#30
jasmineinlondon
JohnnyRoller
Judging by your post it seems you're very aggressively angry about it. Man up and have a word, if it's that bad your neighbours will have your back. Otherwise follow the correct procedure and let them in to record the noise levels as you're not helping yourself at the moment.
But Johnny if everyone did that, there would be no misc or miskers and what would people do with their day?? :{
post cat videos :{
#31
Sounds horrible. I dont know what i would do if this happens to me. When i lived in london in a block of flats, i had problems with noisy neighbours playing music late until early morning and screaming rows through the walls regularly late at night. I didnt do anything about it as i didnt want to start off rows. I just used earplugs or listened to music through headphones to drown out the noise.
#32
zworld
moneysavingkitten
zworld
moneysavingkitten
So you want the council to send him a warning, with no evidence. And you won't let them in your house to collect any evidence? Seems legit.
No, it really doesn't work that way.
I used to live in another borough and the council's noise team would park outside and collect evidence. Why can't the same be done ? The nosie can be heard from the front of **'s house as well?
Because your complaint is your being disturbed in your house. Collecting evidence outside your house doesn't prove you are being disturbed in your house. If there's some other reason you don't want them to come in your house, that's your problem.
I see from your comment you have form for making these complaints then?

Not outside my house. Outside **'s house.
Nothing dodgy in my house guv :3 I kind of look at it as a hassle.

At my previous house in the other borough, my next door decided to rent his house to international students who played loud music all night long and had different hookers over every night and our living room window was also smashed. I then called the council. We moved houses two weeks later as we couldn't tolerate it anymore.



As people have said, unfortunately the council don't operate the way you want them too and it seems like an easy resolution if you just come and let them in and assess. Especially if it is such an inconvenience surely it's worth it. But I can understand why they would, they need to assess the actual levels at your place and not in front of his property which could vary. Just bite the bullet and let them in or just move!
#33
I had similar problems and let the council in to assess the noise. you can't have everything your own way if you want to sort the problem then you're going to have to comprise and let them in. If you refuse to let them in then maybe the problem isn't as bad as you make out. I was desperate and the council came round numerous times in the end neighbours got a noise abatement notice and the other tenants kicked the noise maker out and there's been no problems since. The council have to follow protocol so that if it goes to court they've ticked all the boxes. If you put blocks up at the first hurdle then you're not going to get to a resolution. The noise doesn't even have to be in the night it can be during the day if it's loud enough and causing a nuisance. I live in an area where everyone likes to complain to each other but no one wants to take action because they're lazy gits. so you'll find that since of your neighbours won't be bothered to assist you in a complaint as they'll find it too hard to sign a sheet of paper :(
#34
i had that problem once, neighbours where up too stupid o'clock in the morning making a racket, i waited till day time when they would be wanting to catch up on some sleep/rest, and played hardstyle music full blast and went out and left it playing. they got the point, remember 2 can play that game lol.
#35
Happened to me. I can sympathise.

Honestly and you won't want to hear it, but moving is the only optionif they own the house, not a lot can be done.

I've been woken up at all hours, I'd dread next door having friends over. Your home should be your castle. I hated where I lived last year. We've moved now, but I am so noise sensitive because of the crap I went through.

Luckily I'm kinda menacing looking so a few threats at 2 in the morning sorted it out... But the next weekend was always the same. I'd have killed them all and done time at one point honestly. Horrible situation to be in.

When we moved I made sure the neighbours were normal.

I was wearing ear plugs at night and hated any noise, really messed me up.

Urgh, that's not really any advice, but I feel for you.
#36
Hi

I worked as an enforcement officer dealing with noise for many years. From what you've reported I would say that the noise whilst unreasonable, is not excesssive.
The council have a legal duty to investigate noise complaints but they legally have to inform the person complained of about the noise. They will have asked you to have kept a diary of the noise (times/dates). This is to assess the frequeancy and whether the noise is excessive. It seems to me that you've become sensisitsed to the noise...i.e. You are waiting to hear the noises you talked of.
Phone the council and keep a diary. The council will add their own noise recording equipment. But as I said I don't think you will have any success. The noise is not unreasonable (it isn't frequent and is turned off early). It is annoying rather than illegal.
You now have another 2 options - the house may be part of a housing association or similar and they can take their own action on noise (part of the tenancy agreement). Finally you can take your own private legal action under the Environmental Protection Act 1990. This is legislation the council use. However you need less evidience as private legal action is based on "the balanace of probability" rather than beyond all reasonable doubt (which the council has to prove). You still need evidence - is the magistrate will ask for evidence. Speak to a solicitor. I don't think you will have much luck with the council simply based on what you've said.
#37
go round tell him he keeps it down or else ..then start making his life hell
#38
p.s my neighbours are great
#39
Feel for you OP bad neighbours are a horrible thing to live with.

About 15 years ago we lived in a horrible part of Bolton, facing us was a kid who always had the police at his house, but he was only about 11 so never got anything but warnings, his parents didnt care less spent most of the day drinking special brew rather than looking after him..

This kid used to scream abuse at us as we walked up the street, used to call my (then) 3 year old daughter a ****, and regularly threatened to petrol bomb our house, and burn us and the kids. he would empty bin liners into our garden, throw tins at the window in the middle of the night, post stones and mud through the letter box, ring the doorbell and then stand at the path end over and over..

he would stand in his bedroom window at night flashing us and making gestures..

we complained to the council, to the police to anyone who would listen but no one did nothing..

I tried many times to grab him, I was ready to hurt this child and face the consequences, but he was too much of a coward and would run I could never catch him..

He made our life hell, his parents wouldn't even answer the door I had to shout in through the doorway, and they would just ignore..

Like Benjamin says above the only option was to move house. and we did, there were other factors but he was a big one.

I drove past the house a couple of years ago, and his house was all boarded up, full of graffiti.. I really do hope something unpleasant happened to him.

Edited By: haritori on Dec 30, 2016 20:29: others
#40
We had a naughty child in the house at the rear of our garden very similar to what you've described.
Something bad did happen to him. He soon stopped.

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