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parking ticket barnet council - please help!

Sandy1012 Avatar
2y, 4m agoPosted 2 years, 4 months ago
I parked at my parents house which is restricted only on Saracens Rugby match days and my parents were given a list of match dates and permit/vouchers for visitors to display on these dates before the season started.

A match was played after the dates that were given on the letter so was impossible to know to display the voucher and I received a parking ticket. Barnet council claimed they sent a letter confirming extra dates/matches to my parents, but this was never sent/received.

I then appealed the parking tickets explaining the situation with a copy of the letter with dates and never heard back, then 2 months later I receive a letter stating the fine has increased to £110. I phoned them straight away and they say although they did receive my appeal, they claim to have replied declining the appeal.

My family never received a letter stating the extra match dates and I certainly didnt receive any reply or correspondance to my appeal until they wrote to me to double the ticket price.

Please help me, where do i stand as this is a council issued ticket (not one of these private firms) and im already having sleepless nights worrying about fighting it but I feel royaly scammed.

Thank you
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2y, 4m agoPosted 2 years, 4 months ago
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#1
Before you decide to fight the fine I would check with 6 random neighbours within the same street. If they all had letters (perhaps still have the letter) then you will find it hard to defend yourself on the 'my parents never received the letter' plea as the burden of proof to not receiving the letter is on you, Did your parents have a problem at all with non-receipt of any other mail, ie bank statements. Etc and reported it to the postmaster general at the time? If the neighbours confirm that they did not receive any such further letter advising of the extra rugby match date then I would ask them to confirm it in writing with their name, address and signature, (or appear as a witness on your behalf) at least this may strengthen your case if you decide to fight the penalty.
If you do go to court, in your preparation you could aways ask the council exactly how many tickets were issued in your street that day compared to how many tickets were issued on a listed date that you had originally been advised of. If there is a huge discrepancy in numbers that may also strengthen your case.
[helper]#2
hi Sandy1012,totally sympathize with your situation. It may be worthwhile signing up to and posting on http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/forumdisplay.php?311-Motoring-amp-Parking

Hope you get it sorted
#3
Try this.
#4
And this.
#5
If you are correct in what you say, then fight it all the way. Our public servants have forgotten that they are supposed to serve the public, not make their lives a misery.
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a904lea
If you are correct in what you say, then fight it all the way. Our public servants have forgotten that they are supposed to serve the public, not make their lives a misery.

Amen to that!
#7
Ask the council for a copy of the 'missing letter' if they cannot or are unwilling to supply it to you, again this will help your case. Send the request letter 'registered' so they can't then say we didn't receive it.
#8
Did your parents have a problem at all with non-receipt of any other mail, ie bank statements. Etc and reported it to the postmaster general at the time?

I work from my families address 6 days a week and no other post has gone missing, im with my dad everyday when the post arrives, my address is 5 minutes away. I received the fines to my address but didn’t receive appeal reply to my address which is where I would assume it would come – thats two different addresses I find strange and maybe un-coincidental.

I will also ask the neighbours if they have received anything, good idea
#9
in nearby brent, they have signs all over the place showing when an event day is (wembley stadium) and therefore extra restrictions are in place.
this is ridiculous as others who don't visit people on that street but want to park there are completely in the dark about when an event is on
maybe you can get them on a technicality - they can't just say restrictions on match day and then not publicise (to the general public) when match day is
#10
Toptrumpet
Ask the council for a copy of the 'missing letter' if they cannot or are unwilling to supply it to you, again this will help your case. Send the request letter 'registered' so they can't then say we didn't receive it.

What about the letter they also claim to sent me declining my appeal. They both coudnt have dissapeared which is whats crazy.

I may also point out i have received a parking ticket for a match day a few months before which I paid straight away as I was at fault forgetting the match day. But this is just unfair
#11
Ask for a copy of that letter as well, if you're gonna fight the fine then you need to be very proactive, as an exmagistrate I dealt with similar cases to yours, at court the council will send a representative with your file and have many standard responses to obvious questions, many defendants don't even bother challenging the council or put questions to them in which case the court can only really side with the council. However if you have shown the lengths that you have gone to (asking neighbours, getting facts and figures, duplicate incorrectly addressed letters etc) then the court will have to deliberate before they make any judgement.
First, ask your neighbours about the letters or if they too know of anyone else who got a parking fine.
#12
What match was it? Here we only have it for football. The temporary road traffic order used to change the parking restrictions only covers League matches, League Cup, FA Cup and European games. So I would enquire as to what the match was and if it wasn't a regular match request a copy of the traffic order to see what the wording says.

My other wonder is if you only live 5 mins away why you park at your parents?
#13
Councils should not have rights to lay down laws anyway IMO.
#14
coincidentally i just went to the local area and parked near the high street. i saw the match day signs which are pathetic as i had to go online to confirm it wasn't match day, the barnet site is 2 months out of date and is full of disclaimers.
it's really annoying as in my part of barnet, drivers park dangerously and obstructively day in day out and deserve tickets, but i rarely see a parking attendant. park wrongly once due to poor communication and, sod's law, you'll get a ticket
#15
Court will require the full disclosure of documents relevant to the case. This means letters and a register of the addresses to which they were sent, copies of mail sent to you individually etc. all should be dated etc. Ask for early disclosure and then go through them with a fine tooth comb, most cases are lost on technicalities anyway. Ask for a copy of their parking policy, hard copy, not an emailed copy. Ask for the register of amendments, which will date any changes to the policy and when they came into force....make a pest of yourself asking relevant and pertinent questions....if there are ambiguities in the policy then you are going to be able to present all of this...basically fight them!
#16
Hate to ask a dumb question, but have you contacted your local councillor? You will have three of them so try get your monies worth from them. Failing that have you contacted your MP?
#17
will the ticket increase further if you do not pay it?

i would pay the ticket then try to get a refund through the appropriate channel so at least you don't end up with any more additional cost.
#18
Sandy1012
What about the letter they also claim to sent me declining my appeal. They both coudnt have dissapeared which is whats crazy.
Unfortunately, not as crazy as it sounds. Ever since councils in north London contracted the delivery of their mail to TNT Post, residents have been complaining about mail being delivered to the wrong address, turning up too late, not being delivered at all or more disturbingly mail turning up in the local river.

Mail firm facing fresh questions after MP finds confidential mail dumped in river
#19
It's a loophole they abuse, you need proof of postage but Councils only need to say they sent it and that's their proof, it is impossible to prove you never received a letter (If not Rec/Reg etc....), even our local MP thinks it a disgrace but his questions why it's allowed fell on deaf ears.

A few years ago we got a ticket and paid it, then a few months later Bailiffs turned up demanding £400 for the 'unpaid' ticket, we got a copy of the cheque and it had been cashed by the Council months before and in time and when asked who was going to pay for all the time wasted and bailiffs fees (The Tax payer?) we never got an answer or apology, our local council is a joke and only cares about money and has an amazing ability to ignore fact.

Our local Council has the most post not being received in our area, coincidence....you decide.

Good luck OP.
#20
a904lea
If you are correct in what you say, then fight it all the way. Our public servants have forgotten that they are supposed to serve the public, not make their lives a misery.
LOLZ. Who do you think you are?

Do you believe everyone who works in the public sector should be subservient to you?

So, say the OP was a genuine dodgy lad who parked illegally blocking some elderly persons drive, would your public servant be allowed to ticket the offender?

Some people's attitudes to the public sector is disgraceful.
#21
moob
a904lea
If you are correct in what you say, then fight it all the way. Our public servants have forgotten that they are supposed to serve the public, not make their lives a misery.
LOLZ. Who do you think you are?

Do you believe everyone who works in the public sector should be subservient to you?

So, say the OP was a genuine dodgy lad who parked illegally blocking some elderly persons drive, would your public servant be allowed to ticket the offender?

Some people's attitudes to the public sector is disgraceful.

Wow another spoiler who takes someones comment out of context to make your own ignorant post, which is stereotyping nonsense and just wrong. Driveways are blocked around here all the time and who are the worst offenders, inconsiderate Parents picking up their kids from School.

It's not illegal to park in front of someones drive by the way....and everyone knows this Country is a joke and it's only concerned with raping it's residents of money and doing as little as possible and passing on the responsibility for almost everything onto others.


Edited By: Likely2 on Jul 19, 2014 22:43
#22
Likely2
moob
a904lea
If you are correct in what you say, then fight it all the way. Our public servants have forgotten that they are supposed to serve the public, not make their lives a misery.
LOLZ. Who do you think you are?

Do you believe everyone who works in the public sector should be subservient to you?

So, say the OP was a genuine dodgy lad who parked illegally blocking some elderly persons drive, would your public servant be allowed to ticket the offender?

Some people's attitudes to the public sector is disgraceful.

Wow another spoiler who takes someones comment out of context to make your own ignorant post, which is stereotyping nonsense and just wrong. Driveways are blocked around here all the time and who are the worst offenders, inconsiderate Parents picking up their kids from School.

It's not illegal to park in front of someones drive by the way....and everyone knows this Country is a joke and it's only concerned with raping it's residents of money and doing as little as possible and passing on the responsibility for almost everything onto others.

It is illegal. Come back when you know what you're talking about. Silly boy.
#23
moob
Likely2
moob
a904lea
If you are correct in what you say, then fight it all the way. Our public servants have forgotten that they are supposed to serve the public, not make their lives a misery.
LOLZ. Who do you think you are?

Do you believe everyone who works in the public sector should be subservient to you?

So, say the OP was a genuine dodgy lad who parked illegally blocking some elderly persons drive, would your public servant be allowed to ticket the offender?

Some people's attitudes to the public sector is disgraceful.

Wow another spoiler who takes someones comment out of context to make your own ignorant post, which is stereotyping nonsense and just wrong. Driveways are blocked around here all the time and who are the worst offenders, inconsiderate Parents picking up their kids from School.

It's not illegal to park in front of someones drive by the way....and everyone knows this Country is a joke and it's only concerned with raping it's residents of money and doing as little as possible and passing on the responsibility for almost everything onto others.

It is illegal. Come back when you know what you're talking about. Silly boy.

Well technically you can't park on the public highway at all. This includes bays provided the council for paid or otherwise parking.
banned#24
In any case they would have put signs up to indicate the restrictions for that day. If your vehicle was parked before the signs Went up they should have logged your vehicle manually to this effect.

If not paid this will escalate to bailiffs and as a matter of course it won't go to court unless you take it yourself at your expense- let me say it is rare ppl take such fines to court.


You should have received a reply, ask for a copy. Importantly, the fine would not escalate to £110 you should have received a Notice to Owner too- if not await a TE3/notice of debt registration and tick the box to say you didn't get the notice to owner and this will revert the charge to a previous stage so you can make a representation to the council


Please keep on top of it so you know when you expecting the TE3 and then nto and ensure they hav received the forms when you return them

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