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9y, 6m agoPosted 9 years, 6 months ago
Many thanks to Berbatov and the others for clearing my mind in his thread that he started, it's put my mind at ease after reading it.

Anyway, here we go:-

I'm going to build a PC some time soon - and need some help regarding parts/bits and bobs. I've stuck it in here as prices for parts etc. are necessary. It will be my first build.

I've compiled a list of what I think would be a good system, for just light gaming, and hopefully i can upgrade later when i want to.

These are from ebuyer - Google Checkout sold me :p

Case + PSU - Antec NSK4400 Super Mini-Tower Case - QF112648
Mobo - ASUS P5PL2-E - 126198
GFX - Asus Nvidia 7300GS - 11197
RAM - Kingston 1GB DDR2 - 91121
CPU - Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 - 121407
HDD - Seagate 7200.10 320GB SATAII -115418
DVD/CD - NEC - 125209
OS - I've Got A Copy Of XP Already
Screws/Cables - are these included with the case or not?
Monitor/Mouse/Keyboard/Speakers - Got These Already

If anyone can advise me on the above, that would be great.
I'd prefer a gaming seethough case, that i can add LED's too - so any help there would be appreciated - Thanks :)
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9y, 6m agoPosted 9 years, 6 months ago
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#2
if the items are new then they should all come with there own cables and that, the mobo should come with screws and the case might have some too. nowadays everything comes with good instructions so even a monkey can build a pc! its when you start playing with it that the fun begins......
good luck!
#3
I would certainly recommend go a bit higher on the graphic cards,if you are into any type of gaming,
as I have the 7300gs and i can't even play chess with it on my PC, though my os is vista
If you wan a see through case, a acrylic casing will do u fine then, completely see through lol.. though I haven't used one before so can't comment on it.
Most screws should be included with the casing
As for the cables, the motherboard, graphic cards and powersupply will have all of them.
#4
good point, the graphics are poor....
why dont you visit my thread and buy my 7800gtx, that will run anything out at the minute!
teehee
#5
I am glad you liked the thread but the appluause must got to Jah and others for all their advice
#6
Thanks for that Berbatov, appreciated! emasu - good choice of parts but you really want a pair of memory sticks for dual-channel mode - either get 2 of the 1gb sticks you have suggested or qf 91126 for a 2x512mb matched pair. The LiteOn DVD from SVP is better value at the moment now they do google checkout, see my thread for more info on how to get drive + 125 discs for £21. Ebuyer sell several gaming and modding cases here, generally the PSUs are not as good as the Antec jobbie but you are not going to have a very high power draw with your chosen graphics card and other parts. Hope this helps ;-)
#7
Thanks jah :) I notice that the LiteOn dvd drive is IDE - will this work with the mobo i posted above (the second one)?
#8
Yes - that motherboard a single ATA-100 controller (IDE) (drive will be fine on all motherboards). Most motherboard come with 2 but Intel have started reducing this to 1 now SATA is more prevalent; as you are getting a SATA hard drive you will have no problems with this drive alone on the IDE controller (and the motherboard will come with an IDE cable). The only disadvantage of IDE in this case is the bulkier cable which can impede air flow more than SATA cables, but I wouldn't let this put you off.
#9
Thanks, much appreciated :)
#10
Woah! I just gave you 3 more rep blocks!
#11
Thanks, much appreciated :)

That is some mighty repping power you have! 299 points by the looks of it!
#12
That looks to be a nice system you're building.

However, if you're a gamer I'd recommend spending a few £ extra on some performance memory like this: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/66382 which is easily worth the extra £10 over the Kingston for the performance benefits alone (it's the CAS Latency* that's important here not necessarily the DDR2 rating) and as with all good RAM (Corsair, Kingston, Crucial, OCZ etc.) comes with a lifetime warranty.

I'd also recommend a better graphics card, something like this: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/116150 or this: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/121124 will give a good balance of graphics performance and cost, you will certainly notice where the extra money has gone over the 7300, that is if you can afford it of course :) .

[SIZE="1"]
*CAS is an abbreviation for column address strobe and is the time (in number of clock cycles) that elapses after the memory controller sends a request to read a memory location to before the data is sent to the module's output pins. Basically a lower number here is better, and a low CAS Latency means better access times which vastly improves performance for applications that access memory a lot, i.e. games.[/SIZE]
#13
Oh and before I forget, nobody seems to have mentioned the single most important thing to remember for your first PC self build: make sure you are grounded at all times when handling components.

Static electricity can seriously damage memory modules and bad memory is often the cause of unexplained crashes and system instability.
#14
That Corsair stuff is great memory - they had the 2x1gb set for under £50 a couple of weeks ago but it didn't last long at that price! I wouldn't say it was quite as important as mega has stated given the budget of the other parts if you are not planning on overclocking (the cas 4 will give at most around 5% performance boost, you could spend a little more on a 4400 or 6320 CPU which would probably give a better gain) but its very good quality memory (also it has heatspreaders meaning you dont need to touch the actual memory boards reducing likelyhood of failure due to static!).

Also - if you are getting a motherboard with on-board graphics, you could make do with that for now until another really good deal appears on here. There have been some good deals recently in the under £30 sphere such as the Radeon 1600 Pros for £25 odd, there will be again. As the 8xxx series Geforce and 2xxx series Radeons filter into the market the older midrange (7600 and 1650) cards will lower in price and you should find these for under £40 I'd reckon soon in a hot deal, and they will give you a lot better performance than a 7300 series card.
#15
jah128
That Corsair stuff is great memory - they had the 2x1gb set for under £50 a couple of weeks ago but it didn't last long at that price! I wouldn't say it was quite as important as mega has stated given the budget of the other parts if you are not planning on overclocking (the cas 4 will give at most around 5% performance boost, you could spend a little more on a 4400 or 6320 CPU which would probably give a better gain) but its very good quality memory (also it has heatspreaders meaning you dont need to touch the actual memory boards reducing likelyhood of failure due to static!).


Agreed, on the whole - although I would say CAS latency is a far too often overlooked performance indicator and initial access times are just as important for some applications (games, databases etc.) as actual transfer speed and it is a benefit you get with or without overclocking as it's a purely internal measurement (for those who don't know what I'm talking about - think of it as the time taken for a mate to answer their door when you're off to a party, it's all well and good being quick at getting to the party - memory speed - but if they mess around and answer the door slowly - CAS lentency - you're not going to get to the party as early as you might have otherwise).

Memory speed often plays second fiddle to processor speed, however if you think about it pretty much everything you do on your PC goes through RAM at some point so good RAM matched well to your processor is probably as important as a quick processor (having one much faster than the other just wastes the potential as the faster one will have to sit around waiting for the slower to catch up).
#16
megalomaniac
although I would say CAS latency is a far too often overlooked performance indicator and initial access times are just as important for some applications (games, databases etc.) as actual transfer speed


Absolutely true, its just a balancing act here. The Core doesn't seem as reliant on memory speed as AMD & P4 chips do, and its certainly not a high-end system thats being built. Once Google-Checkout comes into play its something like £33 for 1GB of the Corsair or £45 for 2GB of the value CAS5 ram - both excellent value, but I think I'd probably go for the 2GB myself given the other components. Also worth bearing in mind if you get the CAS4 you'll really want to get the same spec RAM for future upgrades, which might be more expensive.
#17
jah128
Absolutely true, its just a balancing act here. The Core doesn't seem as reliant on memory speed as AMD & P4 chips do, and its certainly not a high-end system thats being built. Once Google-Checkout comes into play its something like £33 for 1GB of the Corsair or £45 for 2GB of the value CAS5 ram - both excellent value, but I think I'd probably go for the 2GB myself given the other components. Also worth bearing in mind if you get the CAS4 you'll really want to get the same spec RAM for future upgrades, which might be more expensive.


Agreed, it really depends what you're after.

I tend to go with the highest spec components I can even if it means cutting back on some things and look to upgrade by adding more stuff at a later date (for example sticking with on-board graphics for now and upgrading to a nice standalone graphics card when prices are more palatable or you can save up a bit more), this gives a good platform to build from and hopefully you end up with a PC that will last a long time and through incremental upgrades adding to the solid base system wont date as quickly as it might.

Jah's obviously coming at it more from the get the most you can now perspective which is an equally good but different viewpoint. So what he's tending to say is for example 2GB is better than 1GB now which is very true. But I'd tend to think: well I could get the higher spec memory now then in 6months, relying on the fact that the prices for this sort of memory will drop*, I could add to it and have 2Gb of the higher spec memory for a similar or lower cost. Similarly, as Jah noted, knowing that the NVIDIA 8xxx series and ATI 2xxx series are just starting to make an impact on the market I'd be tempted to stick with on board graphics for a month or two and pick up a nice cheap ATI X1650 or NVIDIA 7600 once the prices come down. Knowing full well that bar the likes of Crysis (which isn't even out yet) those cards will run pretty much anything you throw at them in full detail.

*[SIZE="1"]Memory prices are a funny thing and do tend to fluxuate in 6-18month cycles depending on supply/demand, so while the price will drop mid-term to long-term, short-term it could go up (rare unless prices are extremely low already), down or stay constant[/SIZE]
#18
Only small point re prices is Google-checkout is due to end fairly soon, and as we are talking about a lot things around £30 - £40 now is a very good time to buy.
#19
jah128
Only small point re prices is Google-checkout is due to end fairly soon, and as we are talking about a lot things around £30 - £40 now is a very good time to buy.


Have you got a date or a link to info? I've not seen anything about an end date and would be interested to know when it's all going to finish.

Cheers
#20
No I haven't, remember reading it quite a while ago (think date was middle or end of June) but can't be sure where. I thought it said somewhere on ebuyer's site but it appears not so I may be wrong...

On the main GC thread a couple of people have said 11th June and another end of June but don't give a link to back it up. Sounds likely to me though, it cant go on indefinately as it really must be costing google a lot of money.
#21
[SIZE="3"]CORSAIR MEMORY 2GB FOR £35.20 DELIVERED!!!![/SIZE]

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/98708

Hope you get chance to see this before it goes or you buy something else - its an absolute scorching deal. Buy it now!!!!! Thanks to charlie12!
#22
Thanks guys (again) megalo expect some rep aswell soon :-D

So will that corsair RAM be OK in the second mobo i posted? If so, SOLD!!!
#23
yep, that is the exact memory me and mega have been debating - except its now half its normal price! Will be all gone or back up in price within an hour I'd guess so can't really hang about.
#24
Thanks - will 2gb be enough or will 4gb be better?
#25
seems to have been pulled or sold out, hope you got some in time.
#26
Jah - will this be ok? If so i'll go for it as i missed the other deal :-( http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/98710
#27
One thing i would recommend is get yourself a decent PSU rather than the one that comes with the case (you can always sell it if your set on that particular case).

Esp if your considering putting leds etc in it at a later date.

As for a brand, i like Enermax... never let me down in the past :)
#28
emasu - that memory would work fine, and is a good price, but you don't really need PC6400. Reckon you best bet is probably the cheap Kingston or Crucial stuff - you should still be able to get 2GB for about £45. Pity you missed it, was obvious that wasn't going to last long at the price!

Daniel_r is right about getting a decent psu, but the ones in Antec cases certainly fit that bill anyway.

Actually, the more I look at it, that memory you've suggested is also a cracking deal for those after true high-end ram, looks like ebuyer have reduced Corsair stuff across the board. Just perhaps not the best value choice for yourself, given your other components.
#29
Looks like i'll go with the Kingston stuff http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/91124/rb/28004001731

If i went for this case:-
http://image.ebuyer.com/UK/P0105235_C0000023_P0000000.jpg

what would i need in the way of cables, will it come with the necessary SATA cables etc?
#30
Just thought I'd point out some small bits of info. If you upgrade the memory in the future you can use the same type but with different speeds and it will revert back to the slowest speed, but at least you will be able to use it all.
Normal day to day use you will be using about 800meg of ram so 2 gig should be ok.
Fast video card is important
I would go for two internal hard drives
Decent PSU

And good luck with it :)...

I used to build them when they were XT's and 286's and the amount of duff components that I came across :(. Amstrad 286's at the time used to catch fire through the PSU lol..... But that was a long long time ago.
#31
Motherboard comes with SATA cables etc. The only cable you may be lacking is the power cable (the one thats similar to a kettle lead). They sell them for about a quid at ebuyer, but you may have one already (from current system etc).

Edit - looking at the pics it seems it comes with one, so no worries there :)
#32
If you are wanting a couple of led strips i think i have two unused ones in a box somewhere (i got them couple of years ago but never used them)

If i can find them you can have them for nowt (well price of postage)
#33
jah128
[SIZE="6"]CORSAIR MEMORY 2GB FOR £35.20 DELIVERED!!!![/SIZE]

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/98708

Hope you get chance to see this before it goes or you buy something else - its an absolute scorching deal. Buy it now!!!!! Thanks to charlie12!


Fantastic deal, great spot, shame it didn't last :-(
#34
emasu
Thanks guys (again) megalo expect some rep aswell soon :-D


Holy Rep Batman, I've gone green.

Let us know how you get on.

Cheers
#35
7600GT graphics card at £54 delivered might be worth considering - best price I've seen it and its the best VFM in the mid-range section at the moment I reckon. Certainly a lot better than 7300 GS for games!
#36
OK:- These are what i've decided on. If anyone can advise me whether all these will come with the neccessary components to get going that would be great. It should come to around £250, give or take. I don't need a great GFX card right now, and the 4300 should be fine. Thanks :)

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#37
Your hard drive and dvd rom drive wont come with any IDE cables, so unless your motherboard includes them (mine did when i bought mine the other year) then you'll need to buy 2.
#38
if you dont need graphics right now, that motherboard has it "on board". thats another £33.86 saved
#39
Motherboard should come with cables, no worries there
#40
jah128
Motherboard should come with cables, no worries there


So is the rest OK?

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