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Hi I need a PCI graphics card for my Dell Dimension 3000, as i am using my 20" LCD TV as my monitor and my on board GC will not support above 800*600. Can anyone suggest a decent one? Thanks in …
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8y, 1m agoPosted 8 years, 1 month ago
Hi I need a PCI graphics card for my Dell Dimension 3000, as i am using my 20" LCD TV as my monitor and my on board GC will not support above 800*600.

Can anyone suggest a decent one?

Thanks in advance
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8y, 1m agoPosted 8 years, 1 month ago
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#1
Your first problem is bandwidth. A PCI graphics card - even with the most advanced chipset - will be throttled by the limited amount of data it can process/return at any one time.

Taken from http://www.directron.com/expressguide.html

Common Buses and their Max Bandwidth
PCI 132 MB/s
AGP 8X 2,100 MB/s
PCI Express 1x 250 [500]* MB/s
PCI Express 2x 500 [1000]* MB/s
PCI Express 4x 1000 [2000]* MB/s
PCI Express 8x 2000 [4000]* MB/s
PCI Express 16x 4000 [8000]* MB/s
PCI Express 32x 8000 [16000]* MB/s

Not only will anything you buy be ridiculously expensive, but will not perform anywhere as good as it should do.

BTW, there's no way your graphics card only supports 800 x 600 at maximum. It's more likely you don't have the rights drivers installed.

Check the dell website for updated ones.

EDIT : clicky/linky

http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/driverslist.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=gen&ServiceTag=&SystemID=DIM_CEL_3000&os=WW1&osl=en&catid=&impid=
#2
Agree with the above, surprised your standard set-up does not support anything over 800x600.

Having said that, for the kind of set-up you have (restricted to PCI) then you're better off going second-hand and pick one up on fleabay for example. Had a look at the ones available at ebuyer and Scan & prices start at £36'ish.
#3
tuckeral
Agree with the above, surprised your standard set-up does not support anything over 800x600.

Having said that, for the kind of set-up you have (restricted to PCI) then you're better off going second-hand and pick one up on fleabay for example. Had a look at the ones available at ebuyer and Scan & prices start at £36'ish.


Anything by Dell this side of XP will be over 800 x 600 - this is the standard VGA limitation. I bet if the OP goes into Device Manager they've got 'Standard VGA Adaptor' under Display...
#4
Xb0xGuru
Anything by Dell this side of XP will be over 800 x 600 - this is the standard VGA limitation. I bet if the OP goes into Device Manager they've got 'Standard VGA Adaptor' under Display...


agreed, I was on about if they wanted to improve on their on-board graphics arrangement. Wasn't clear from my post though :thumbsup:
#5
tuckeral
agreed, I was on about if they wanted to improve on their on-board graphics arrangement. Wasn't clear from my post though :thumbsup:


No worries :thumbsup:

As I said on my first reply, because of the limited bandwidth of PCI, it won't matter what card you get - it's not going to outperform the one built in (which is likely to be AGP).
#6
Here's a couple

http://www.ebuyer.com/cat/Graphics-Cards-Nvidia/subcat/nVIDIA-PCI-Range

Check that page out. The best you can get is an fx5200, or a 6200. I used to have a dimension 3100 with the same problem, so I used a 5200 with it. Played HL2 etc, at decent frame-rates, but won't do anything modern, obviously. Will however be significantly better than your GMA900 or whatever is inside the Dell.

If you shop around on ebay you can get one cheaper than this as folk are just off-loading them these days. You can also overclock these little things by about 10% core and memory and they'll run forever without any issues.

Hope it helps.
#7
Xb0xGuru
Your first problem is bandwidth. A PCI graphics card - even with the most advanced chipset - will be throttled by the limited amount of data it can process/return at any one time.

Taken from http://www.directron.com/expressguide.html

Common Buses and their Max Bandwidth
PCI 132 MB/s
AGP 8X 2,100 MB/s
PCI Express 1x 250 [500]* MB/s
PCI Express 2x 500 [1000]* MB/s
PCI Express 4x 1000 [2000]* MB/s
PCI Express 8x 2000 [4000]* MB/s
PCI Express 16x 4000 [8000]* MB/s
PCI Express 32x 8000 [16000]* MB/s

Not only will anything you buy be ridiculously expensive, but will not perform anywhere as good as it should do.

BTW, there's no way your graphics card only supports 800 x 600 at maximum. It's more likely you don't have the rights drivers installed.

Check the dell website for updated ones.

EDIT : clicky/linky

http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/driverslist.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=gen&ServiceTag=&SystemID=DIM_CEL_3000&os=WW1&osl=en&catid=&impid=


I hear what you're saying too, but my dimension 3100 ran significantly better with its fx5200. The GMA900 chipset was ****.

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