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Racial Profiling from Stoke Police - Should i complain?

m27try Avatar
2y, 5m agoPosted 2 years, 5 months ago
Got pulled over by an officer today because my Asian :(

I was test driving a vehicle in Stoke (first time in Stoke), as the garage owner was by himself he allowed us (me & my father) to go and test drive it alone. When turning the car around to head back i took a corner and pulled into a residential area, i pulled over on the side for a minute or so trying to test how the electronic handbrake works, as i pulled away i was stopped by a officer.

I firstly asked why he had pulled us over, he didn't hear me or chose to ignore me and asked for my name and address (which i regrettably provided) he then ran a check and asked how long we had lived at that address (probably couldn't find any records) and then without apology told us there had been distraction burglaries by Asian men in the surrounding area and since we matched the description in that aspect he pulled us over.

I been thinking about it all day and it has brought us down since we consider ourselves abiding citizens and have never been pulled by the police before, never even had a parking fine! let alone points on our licenses.

I'm thinking about filing a compliant against the Officer and asking for disclosure on how my name & address will be recorded and used. We have done nothing wrong, so i don't see why our details should in any way deserve be affiliated with any thieves in that area or theft occurrences.
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2y, 5m agoPosted 2 years, 5 months ago
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I'll be honest, it sounds like you're just playing the race card for the sake of it. As previously mentioned, you fit the profile of an offender, simple as that.

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#1
so driving while brown does exist ?
#2
You matched the description of possible offenders - perhaps to a higher degree than he told you - in an area where they were known to be offending. I'm sure if there was a similar problem in your own neighbourhood, and the police weren't seen to be taking action by stopping individuals that may match the description of the offenders, you'd be up in arms then too.

We have done nothing wrong, so i don't see why our details should in any way deserve be affiliated with any thieves in that area or theft occurrences.

You're not being affiliated though, are you? Let the police do their job, don't be so quick to play the victim.

Also:

he didn't hear me or chose to ignore me and asked for my name and address (which i regrettably provided)

What would that have achieved, other than actually made you look guilty? You'll find if you let the police get on and do their jobs, they're actually quite a pleasant bunch.

I been thinking about it all day and it has brought us down since we consider ourselves abiding citizens and have never been pulled by the police before, never even had a parking fine! let alone points on our licenses.

How are the police to know this unless they ask who you are?


Edited By: miikeyblue on Jun 23, 2014 00:48
banned#3
You matched the description of the people they were looking for, would you rather them not search for the criminals so they get away with it and continue to burgle peoples houses?

End of the day they're doing their job and keeping the streets safe, you should be grateful.
#4
I'll be honest, it sounds like you're just playing the race card for the sake of it. As previously mentioned, you fit the profile of an offender, simple as that.
#5
By all means, write and ask how your details will be used, but I don't think it's grounds for complaint, and if as you say you are law abiding citizens, does it really matter? They're not likely to turn up at your house one day and arrest you for test driving a car.
#6
Say you went out and came back and found your house had been burgled. The police said a witness saw a blue car drive off with a white driver. If there were a number of burglaries and witnesses said that it was a blue car and a white driver, you yourself would put two and two together and think...Hmmm. Maybe there is a pattern? If you told the police this and a blue car with a white male driving it drove past you and the police at the same time and did nothing.... You would, wit your knowledge, expect the police to stop him and just ask him what he's doing? If the police said ' we can't stop him just because he's a white driver' you would probably say ....put it into context, it's not that he is white, it's that a white person in a blue car has been seen, fits this description and based on the evidence at hand, you would want them to at least stop him and chat to him because he 'could' be the guy that burgled you. Perhaps ask his address and name so as to see if he is a local person or has any priors??The police can stop and chat to anyone they wish. Conversely someone without any additional knowledge would say' the police can't stop him because he's white... 'You would likely say in their defence it's not that, it's the context. Unfortunately you are the latter and not the former, you are not privy to all the information and the police has said that there is an increase in distraction burglaries. Personally, I would rather be stopped and just asked questions than let criminals roam about with more freedom: they are doing their job and trying to prevent crime.
#7
miikeyblue
You matched the description of possible offenders - perhaps to a higher degree than he told you - in an area where they were known to be offending. I'm sure if there was a similar problem in your own neighbourhood, and the police weren't seen to be taking action by stopping individuals that may match the description of the offenders, you'd be up in arms then too.

We have done nothing wrong, so i don't see why our details should in any way deserve be affiliated with any thieves in that area or theft occurrences.

You're not being affiliated though, are you? Let the police do their job, don't be so quick to play the victim.

Also:

he didn't hear me or chose to ignore me and asked for my name and address (which i regrettably provided)

What would that have achieved, other than actually made you look guilty? You'll find if you let the police get on and do their jobs, they're actually quite a pleasant bunch.

Well hypothetically If a theft does occur in the area tomorrow, there is now suddenly a possibility we will be questioned when what im saying is there should be no affiliation since we were WRONGLY pulled over.
#8
btw what is this affiliation you speak of ?
#9
If I got stopped by an Asian police officer the last thing I would think is it "because I'm white" why does the racial thing come into everything these days. If it happened that it were your possessions they were hunting for you'd want every one on the street stopped, I know I would anyway.
#10
Dont worry about it! I've been pulled over before, because the police thought my car had been used in a burglary. They did a quick check on me and my car and they soon realized it was the wrong person. They thanks me for co-operating then sent me on my way. To be honest, I'd take comfort in the fact they are actively trying to reduce crime in your area and, like it or not - a persons racial attributes is one way to narrow down potential suspects (as is Gender, age, height, body build etc).

If they know for a fact that the person committing a crime was of Asian origin, there is no point in stopping every Afro-Caribbean or Caucasian person as this would waste time and reduce chances of actually catching the criminal.
#11
momartin
I'll be honest, it sounds like you're just playing the race card for the sake of it. As previously mentioned, you fit the profile of an offender, simple as that.

Fit the profile just because im Asian?
#12
m27try
miikeyblue
You matched the description of possible offenders - perhaps to a higher degree than he told you - in an area where they were known to be offending. I'm sure if there was a similar problem in your own neighbourhood, and the police weren't seen to be taking action by stopping individuals that may match the description of the offenders, you'd be up in arms then too.
We have done nothing wrong, so i don't see why our details should in any way deserve be affiliated with any thieves in that area or theft occurrences.
You're not being affiliated though, are you? Let the police do their job, don't be so quick to play the victim.Also:
he didn't hear me or chose to ignore me and asked for my name and address (which i regrettably provided)
What would that have achieved, other than actually made you look guilty? You'll find if you let the police get on and do their jobs, they're actually quite a pleasant bunch.
Well hypothetically If a theft does occur in the area tomorrow, there is now suddenly a possibility we will be questioned when what im saying is there should be no affiliation since we were WRONGLY pulled over.

Why? Are you back in Stoke tomorrow then, or will you be unable to detail your movements and provide an alibi if one was requested?
#13
m27try
miikeyblue
You matched the description of possible offenders - perhaps to a higher degree than he told you - in an area where they were known to be offending. I'm sure if there was a similar problem in your own neighbourhood, and the police weren't seen to be taking action by stopping individuals that may match the description of the offenders, you'd be up in arms then too.

We have done nothing wrong, so i don't see why our details should in any way deserve be affiliated with any thieves in that area or theft occurrences.

You're not being affiliated though, are you? Let the police do their job, don't be so quick to play the victim.

Also:

he didn't hear me or chose to ignore me and asked for my name and address (which i regrettably provided)

What would that have achieved, other than actually made you look guilty? You'll find if you let the police get on and do their jobs, they're actually quite a pleasant bunch.

Well hypothetically If a theft does occur in the area tomorrow, there is now suddenly a possibility we will be questioned when what im saying is there should be no affiliation since we were WRONGLY pulled over.


No, you were RIGHTLY pulled over! You matched the description, in the area. And IF they question you so what?!? HaVe you something to hide?????

Seriously, people are out trying to reduce crime and provide protection and you want to complain about them doing their job?! I'm half Asian and wouldn't give two hoots if I got stopped several times!
#14
m27try
momartin
I'll be honest, it sounds like you're just playing the race card for the sake of it. As previously mentioned, you fit the profile of an offender, simple as that.

Fit the profile just because im Asian?

Yes. You fit the profile of the offender. I fail to see the problem if you're as law-abiding as you claim.
#15
redcastle
m27try
miikeyblue
You matched the description of possible offenders - perhaps to a higher degree than he told you - in an area where they were known to be offending. I'm sure if there was a similar problem in your own neighbourhood, and the police weren't seen to be taking action by stopping individuals that may match the description of the offenders, you'd be up in arms then too.

We have done nothing wrong, so i don't see why our details should in any way deserve be affiliated with any thieves in that area or theft occurrences.

You're not being affiliated though, are you? Let the police do their job, don't be so quick to play the victim.

Also:

he didn't hear me or chose to ignore me and asked for my name and address (which i regrettably provided)

What would that have achieved, other than actually made you look guilty? You'll find if you let the police get on and do their jobs, they're actually quite a pleasant bunch.

Well hypothetically If a theft does occur in the area tomorrow, there is now suddenly a possibility we will be questioned when what im saying is there should be no affiliation since we were WRONGLY pulled over.

No, you were RIGHTLY pulled over! You matched the description, in the area. And IF they question you so what?!? HaVe you something to hide?????

Seriously, people are out trying to reduce crime and provide protection and you want to complain about them doing their job?! I'm half Asian and wouldn't give two hoots if I got stopped several times!

Matched the description how? the only way is that im Asian also.
Are you saying if the thefts were by white men, they would stop every white driver also?
#16
momartin
m27try
momartin
I'll be honest, it sounds like you're just playing the race card for the sake of it. As previously mentioned, you fit the profile of an offender, simple as that.

Fit the profile just because im Asian?

Yes. You fit the profile of the offender. I fail to see the problem if you're as law-abiding as you claim.

Nothing to hide but why would anyone want their name to flag up every time there is a theft in that area.
#17
OP, if the police don't ask questions, they don't catch criminals. It's as simple as that.

The questions they ask have to be directed at the right people, in the right place. The chances are, the officer was actually just trying to discount you as a potential suspect. When test driving a car, as you're unfamiliar with the controls (which you've already admitted to above), you tend to drive slower than normal, and in a residential area with a burglary issue, people will eye this with suspicion. It's possible that someone called the police to alert them to your presence, and the officer was simply following up a potential lead, something they're obliged to do.

It's up to you if you choose to feel aggrieved by this, or just appreciate that they've got a tough job where they're under constant scrutiny, but do their level best to serve and protect the public, including yourself.

Distraction burglars really are scumbags. They lie to and deceive vulnerable members of communities in order to steal their property from under their noses. I for one am grateful that the police take a proactive approach in trying to apprehend anyone committing such horrible crimes.

Edited By: miikeyblue on Jun 23, 2014 01:05
#18
miikeyblue
OP, if the police don't ask questions, they don't catch criminals. It's as simple as that.

The questions they ask have to be directed at the right people, in the right place. The chances are, the officer was actually just trying to discount you as a potential suspect. When test driving a car, as you're unfamiliar with the controls (which you've already admitted to above), you tend to drive slower than normal, and in a residential area with a burglary issue, people will eye this with suspicion. It's possible that someone called the police to alert them to your presence, and the officer was simply following up a potential lead.

It's up to you if you choose to feel aggrieved by this, or just appreciate that they've got a tough job where they're under constant scrutiny, but do their level best to serve and protect the public, including yourself.

Agree with what you've written above, and DON'T get me wrong i appreciate what the Police do and have never had any reason to say anything bad to say about them in general, but like with people not all Police Officers are the same.

Edited By: m27try on Jun 23, 2014 01:08
#19
m27try
momartin
m27try
[quote=momartin] I'll be honest, it sounds like you're just playing the race card for the sake of it. As previously mentioned, you fit the profile of an offender, simple as that.

Fit the profile just because im Asian?

Yes. You fit the profile of the offender. I fail to see the problem if you're as law-abiding as you claim.[/
Nothing to hide but why would anyone want their name to flag up every time there is a theft in that area.

I personally doubt the police officer your referring to probably hasn't given you any more thought and has even forgot about you as your squeaky clean, I'm sure they see a lot of different people whilst on duty. Do yourself a favour and move on from the experience it will bother you a lot more than it will bother the officer involved I'm sure.
#20
m27try
momartin
m27try
momartin
I'll be honest, it sounds like you're just playing the race card for the sake of it. As previously mentioned, you fit the profile of an offender, simple as that.
Fit the profile just because im Asian?
Yes. You fit the profile of the offender. I fail to see the problem if you're as law-abiding as you claim.
Nothing to hide but why would anyone want their name to flag up every time there is a theft in that area.

By your own admission, you don't know how your information will now be used. Write and ask - but until you've got that information, you're getting wound up for nothing - you've no evidence to suggest that your name will now be linked with any theft in the area, you're just speculating.

Edited By: miikeyblue on Jun 23, 2014 01:10
#21
Dude,whats your problem.You matched the description of the offender so they pulled you.if a white/black/purple/green person committed an offence and the cops saw someone that looked like the offender then I would expect them to get pulled.your not a victim just a boil on the bum hole of society
#22
You was not unlawfully arrested or detained.
You was asked to assist with the inquiries. You was then sent on your way.
I don't see the problem here.
#23
m27try
momartin
m27try
momartin
I'll be honest, it sounds like you're just playing the race card for the sake of it. As previously mentioned, you fit the profile of an offender, simple as that.

Fit the profile just because im Asian?

Yes. You fit the profile of the offender. I fail to see the problem if you're as law-abiding as you claim.

Nothing to hide but why would anyone want their name to flag up every time there is a theft in that area.

https://www.ipcc.gov.uk/complaints
There you go.
And how can you say your name will be flagged up for every theft in that area? Utter tosh pal!
#24
You were pulled over because you matched the description of offenders who are committing crime in that area. That information was probably provided by a witness who told the police 'a xxxx car with an xxxxx man' was in the area. Police would gather that intelligence to stop offenders matching that description in an attempt to solve the crime.

Your information would not be pitted against others involved in crime unless you are suspicious and dodgy in your own right. If you're clean as you say you are then they would just file the information and not even think about it. IF you're dodgy or have had a dodgy passed they might look at your history

If I crime was committed by a white/black/brown/yellow person....and police don't know who that person is they would be expected to stop the said person matching the description not someone else who does not match.

Like others said 1) you're pulling out the race card
2) you're the type of person that likes to kick up a fuss for the sake of it
3) you were explained the reasons why you were checked out, if you were a law abiding citizen you should understand the actions that were carried out were acceptable
#25
the officer has done nothing wrong... it may well be that in his view you were behaving suspiciously and that is enough reason to pull you over.
I've known alot of police through the work that i did and the majority are decent and get on with the job but take orders from above. For example, one constabulary only had 1 alcohol testing kit, and the distance to the station was too far, they were told to reduce pull overs at a particular time of year ie... 'not to look for trouble' be passive.
I daresay these officers have been told to be vigilant...

Your not obliged by law when stopped on foot to give details, however if your are driving its a different story.

best way to handle police is to be polite and cooperative without seeming to undermine them, once they see you are decent they will leave you be,

A bit like school... play the game... be evil in the back ground.
#26
People like you annoy me. You would still kick up a fuss if the officer was Asian himself.
#27
swashey
People like you annoy me. You would still kick up a fuss if the officer was Asian himself.

Would it annoy you further if i said honestly yes.
#28
Maybe the officer could have handled the situation more tactfully but he was just doing his job. If the officer was rude, condescending or abusive in some way, I could see your point. I'd assume they've been questioning any Asian drivers they see acting suspiciously in the area?
#29
Why scream racism!? If a they were looking for someone wearing a red hat and you just so happened to be in the area with a red hat on then you'd probably be stopped!
As it stands, you have nothing to do with whatever crime they're investigating, they probably took your details to run you through the PNC to check you weren't lying about who you are.
Seriously, man up and stop thinking the world owes you something because you think you might be able to catch a copper out for something he's not even guilty of!!
#30
Racial profiling, by definition, surely, is targeting someone without good reason solely by their colour or creed.
#31
m27try
swashey
People like you annoy me. You would still kick up a fuss if the officer was Asian himself.

Would it annoy you further if i said honestly yes.


You're just attention seeking. you know you wasn't targeted because you're Asian just a policeman doing his job. only person you should complain to is yourself
#32
OP, I fail to see the issue here, like many others have said it's a case of you match the description of possible suspects. By all means write to the force and ask how the information would be used, but there is nothing going to come of a complaint about the matter, if anything you will just waste your time complaining about something that is a non issue and that any impartial 3rd party with both sides of the story will discount as a frivolous argument.

I was stopped a number of years ago with my other half by two officers. This was because we parked up beside a cemetery as we were driving to the airport (4hours from where we lived) and we were ahead of time for our early in the morning flight.

We explained to the officers why we were there, they ran us through, nothing more was said and that was the end of it. At no point did I feel discriminated against, they didn't explain why they had stopped us to start with, but if anything it was nice to know that a police car was in the area which they explained afterwards was because they had been having issues with young people turning up in cars, using drugs and causing problems for residents. We were stopped because we matched their profile of possible offenders (by being young and turning up in a car), they checked us out, our stories matched up and there was nothing more came of it.

The reason we pulled up at 4am outside the gates? Because I fancied taking a short detour to visit a family grave and to save spending any more time than I had to at Liverpool airport.

Look at it this way and imagine you were a police officer;

PC m27try, on your patrols today keep an eye out for a (insert model of a neighbours car), its been seen doing distraction burglaries in the area of (insert name of your street). The suspect is described as (neighbours skin colour), (neighbours build), wearing (1 item your neighbour commonly wears).

Now tell me, when you drive your patrol car PC m27try, what are you going to do as you see them driving down that road to the shops matching that description?

To a degree it seems that you are miffed because the officer didn't tell you why they stopped you until after everything was checked. They do this for several reasons, not least because if you don't know what they are looking for, you can't readily hide it. It's also done because if you think the stop is for speeding, when in fact you came to their attention for having a broken brake light and they ask what you think they were stopping you for then you could put your foot in it. At the end they will see how it panned out to decide your fate. If you're nice, polite and respectful, you get off with a warning, if your a jerk, you end up with a speeding ticket and an impromptu MOT to have done on your car.


Edited By: Astec123 on Jun 23, 2014 02:51: typo
#33
PC m27try would book on duty and drive around looking at people and using his skills of telepathy, read their minds from far away to see what type of person they are and what their intentions were being there. By using his skills he would be able to know what their name, addresses and their offending history.

OR he would suggest to the government that he must not engage with members of public in fear of upsetting them. potentially getting people who are not a law abiding citizen to paint their body and limbs so they can be easily identified
#34
just to offer you some reassurance. just because the officer takes your name and adddress dos not mean you will be linked to anything. officers take details from people they come into to contact everyday. The majority of these are law obiding people. the officer will record these in his/her PNB just as a record of who has been seen/spoken to but unless something is wrong or details are needed for a form search/intelligence/crime report its very unlikely your details will be anywhere.
hope this offers some reassurance.
it is a huge thing being spoken to by the police when you havent before but rest assured officers speak to lots of people everyday and are often critised for not interacting with community. im sure the officer could have explained a little more but dont that alter your whole view of thr police.
#35
Facts....

Area known for distraction burglaries
Persons of certain description known to be possible offenders which you op fit the bill
Driving a car in a manner that suggests that you are not familiar with the car, or area, and how it operates...ie testing hand brake with the car looking anything but perfectly driven. Something that could suggest car thieves!


Or

Mature Asian man and his young apprentice out to commit crime and the colour of their skin is something I do not like.......


Erm kind of know what list of facts I reckon the Police officer used.




Edited By: simplyjimbo on Jun 23, 2014 07:38
#36
They should lock the op up and throw away the key..!!!

No seriously they'd be wasting their time if they were pulling over white men if the men they are looking for are Asian.
#37
So you were in an area targeted by burglars matching your description and you were stopped by the Police. Well done the Police I say stop moaning about it. How do you think the Police can stop these crimes if they cannot challenge anyone?
#38
KillFelix
You matched the description of the people they were looking for, would you rather them not search for the criminals so they get away with it and continue to burgle peoples houses?

End of the day they're doing their job and keeping the streets safe, you should be grateful.

Well said
#39
Chip on shoulder.
banned#40
How much are you looking for OP? Maybe enough to cover the car purchase? I think it is disgusting, how dare a policeman do his job.....

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