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john2020md Avatar
2y, 3m agoPosted 2 years, 3 months ago
Would there be any difference if I go to turkey this month during Ramadan? Or would it be wise to leave it till after ?
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2y, 3m agoPosted 2 years, 3 months ago
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#1
I'm assuming you are concerned about most places may be closed but that's not the case....or
apart from timing of fasting why would it worry you?
#2
you can eat/drink what you like unless you are Muslim, remember the more you eat/drink the more money they make.
They don't mind.
#3
I was thinking it might be wise to go after Ramadan ... My daughter as just been offered a cheap deal all inclusive and I'm wondering if its because of this ... I know it doesn't hotels .. but what about if you go for a drink in town ..maybe awkward if they are all fasting ?
sowotsdis
I'm assuming you are concerned about most places may be closed but that's not the case....or
apart from timing of fasting why would it worry you?
#4
If you want to be polite, don't eat or drink in the street during the fasting period. You can eat/drink during the fasting period in a restaurant or a discrete location. It's purely a gesture of respect and nothing to worry about.
#5
hibees
you can eat/drink what you like unless you are Muslim, remember the more you eat/drink the more money they make.
They don't mind.
Makes sense when you put it that way .. :)
#6
Generally there is no problem with unbelievers drinking, eating& smoking during Ramadan in countries that could be considered moderate as long as you don't push it in people's faces. However, be aware that many businesses may choose to close and the 'Arab spring'has turned to deep winter. It has been reported that this is spreading to the Levant and that Sharia 'police' have been handing out leaflets on certain beaches in Turkey advising Western women what is acceptable to wear. Read reliable news sites and use discretion!
#7
P.S. When I say reliable news sites, I,m not talking about the BBC who think that everything that happens in the Muslim world is marvellous!
#8
'the don't mind'..... full English please ;)
#9
doobidoo
P.S. When I say reliable news sites, I,m not talking about the BBC who think that everything that happens in the Muslim world is marvellous!
Reliable news sources like the Daily Mail.
banned#10
Hi Tim, where about in Turkey were you planning on visiting?

If you go to an area which is frequented by tourists, then the industry to cater for them is likely to be huge and as such you may not encounter any of the issues you envisage. It would be many establishments bread and butter.

I like the fact that you are mindful of the event in any case. Its admirable :)
banned#11
doobidoo
Generally there is no problem with unbelievers drinking, eating& smoking during Ramadan in countries that could be considered moderate as long as you don't push it in people's faces. However, be aware that many businesses may choose to close and the 'Arab spring'has turned to deep winter. It has been reported that this is spreading to the Levant and that Sharia 'police' have been handing out leaflets on certain beaches in Turkey advising Western women what is acceptable to wear. Read reliable news sites and use discretion!
doobidoo
P.S. When I say reliable news sites, I,m not talking about the BBC who think that everything that happens in the Muslim world is marvellous!

Not sure why Sharia is being mentioned for Turkey, which has a secular society and doesnt run on the Sharia legal system.

When you mention the BBC as not being a reliable source for information, perhaps it would have also been prudent to have included yourself in your comment too.
#12
You should treat the religions in foreign countries the same way they treat ours over here...........so go for it, eat, drink and enjoy
#13
also don't try to eat just before or after sunset - all the waiters quite properly may disappear to get something to eat or drink , assuming they are Muslims of course. I went to Tunisia in Ramadan and soon learnt why the staff vanished.
#14
maxim24
doobidoo
Generally there is no problem with unbelievers drinking, eating& smoking during Ramadan in countries that could be considered moderate as long as you don't push it in people's faces. However, be aware that many businesses may choose to close and the 'Arab spring'has turned to deep winter. It has been reported that this is spreading to the Levant and that Sharia 'police' have been handing out leaflets on certain beaches in Turkey advising Western women what is acceptable to wear. Read reliable news sites and use discretion!
doobidoo
P.S. When I say reliable news sites, I,m not talking about the BBC who think that everything that happens in the Muslim world is marvellous!

Not sure why Sharia is being mentioned for Turkey, which has a secular society and doesnt run on the Sharia legal system.

When you mention the BBC as not being a reliable source for information, perhaps it would have also been prudent to have included yourself in your comment too.


Well said.
#15
which part of my post is in error?
#16
Remember not all muslims take part in ramadan in the same way that alot of christians don't go to church, take part in lent .etc

also it being a holiday resort where they rely on tourism i wouldnt worry about it at all
#17
I read the OP a few time looking for the joke..... ;)
#19

Things like that make me think some of them are total nut jobs. I am all for diversity, in fact I took part in a march in Middlesbrough yesterday alongside the UAF in response to the EDL's invasion of our town.

But things like the above make my blood boil!
#20
things like the above?
banned#21

So they shouldn't have free speech?

They didn't use any force, they didn't make any demands, they peacefully put out a message they believed in.

They were 2 men and a child. Hardly worth warning people against a whole destination for holiday.

No different than opening a door to Jehovah's witnesses over here.

Mountain, molehill.
#22
Treat their country and religious beliefs, the same as they treat ours in the UK :)
#23
“The lady should be covered; she should not shake hands with male strangers; she should not go outside without asking permission from her husband; she should not go to weddings where there is music; and she should not sit in public areas.”

Oh my. :(
#24
'Read reliable news sites and use discretion' is hardly warning people against a whole destination
banned#25
doobidoo
'Read reliable news sites and use discretion' is hardly warning people against a whole destination

You said the BBC wasn't a reliable source and then posted a website I've never even heard of.

Would you have liked the BBC to have reported that 2 and a half men were lobbying peacefully something they believed in? Do you believe they should be silenced?
banned#26
TheBoss96
Treat their country and religious beliefs, the same as they treat ours in the UK :)

You treat your own country far worse than 'they' ever could.

You make a sweeping statement against all the Turks and use it to condone brazen offence. This is you urinating on the tolerance values our country promotes.
#27
The BBC is not a reliable source of news it is government funded andis therefore, naturally biased towards the party line. People complained of their quisling support for appeasement before WWII. Not much has changed since then.

The reason you have not heard of the site I posted is because it is Turkish, just wanted to make sure I wss not quoting from the Daily Mail as someone suggested above.

Do I want to deprive them of their freedom of speech? No. But I do object to speech and opinions that demand the subjection of women and the suppression of their freedom.
banned#28
doobidoo
The BBC is not a reliable source of news it is government funded andis therefore, naturally biased towards the party line. People complained of their quisling support for appeasement before WWII. Not much has changed since then.

The reason you have not heard of the site I posted is because it is Turkish, just wanted to make sure I wss not quoting from the Daily Mail as someone suggested above.

Do I want to deprive them of their freedom of speech? No. But I do object to speech and opinions that demand the subjection of women and the suppression of their freedom.

You seem to be making 2 very different statements here.

It appears as though you don't want to stop free speech but want to control it if it doesn't agree with your views.
#29
When does ramadan finish ? We are going to Turkey on the 12th July and going ultra all inclusive so I will be expecting a feast, I am not Muslim so don't expect to be treated like one.
#30
shopstilldrops
When does ramadan finish ? We are going to Turkey on the 12th July and going ultra all inclusive so I will be expecting a feast, I am not Muslim so don't expect to be treated like one.

Here you go sir/madam:

http://www.turkeytravelplanner.com/Religion/ramazan_dates.html
#31
maxim24
doobidoo
The BBC is not a reliable source of news it is government funded andis therefore, naturally biased towards the party line. People complained of their quisling support for appeasement before WWII. Not much has changed since then.

The reason you have not heard of the site I posted is because it is Turkish, just wanted to make sure I wss not quoting from the Daily Mail as someone suggested above.

Do I want to deprive them of their freedom of speech? No. But I do object to speech and opinions that demand the subjection of women and the suppression of their freedom.

You seem to be making 2 very different statements here.

It appears as though you don't want to stop free speech but want to control it if it doesn't agree with your views.


The last time I checked objecting to someones opinion is ot the same as controlling their freedom of speech. Who was it that said I may not agree with what you say but I will die defending your right to say it?
#32
Thankyou danielj88, very helpful .
#33
doobidoo
maxim24
doobidoo
The BBC is not a reliable source of news it is government funded andis therefore, naturally biased towards the party line. People complained of their quisling support for appeasement before WWII. Not much has changed since then.

The reason you have not heard of the site I posted is because it is Turkish, just wanted to make sure I wss not quoting from the Daily Mail as someone suggested above.

Do I want to deprive them of their freedom of speech? No. But I do object to speech and opinions that demand the subjection of women and the suppression of their freedom.

You seem to be making 2 very different statements here.

It appears as though you don't want to stop free speech but want to control it if it doesn't agree with your views.

The last time I checked objecting to someones opinion is ot the same as controlling their freedom of speech. Who was it that said I may not agree with what you say but I will die defending your right to say it?
doobidoo
maxim24
doobidoo
The BBC is not a reliable source of news it is government funded andis therefore, naturally biased towards the party line. People complained of their quisling support for appeasement before WWII. Not much has changed since then.

The reason you have not heard of the site I posted is because it is Turkish, just wanted to make sure I wss not quoting from the Daily Mail as someone suggested above.

Do I want to deprive them of their freedom of speech? No. But I do object to speech and opinions that demand the subjection of women and the suppression of their freedom.

You seem to be making 2 very different statements here.

It appears as though you don't want to stop free speech but want to control it if it doesn't agree with your views.

The last time I checked objecting to someones opinion is ot the same as controlling their freedom of speech. Who was it that said I may not agree with what you say but I will die defending your right to say it?
Evelyn Beatrice Hall well I never
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_Beatrice_Hall
also sounds to me like one or two misicers will be hitting the beaches with a fist full of leaflets :|
http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/erm-lovehoney-advert-haha-1940584
#35
They didn't use any force, they didn't make any demands, they peacefully put out a message they believed in.

They were 2 men and a child. Hardly worth warning people against a whole destination for holiday.

No different than opening a door to Jehovah's witnesses over here.

Mountain, molehill. [/quote]

A classic error of moral equivalence: if I asked two Jehovah's witnesses to leave me alone I have every confidence that they would. However, with these
#36
Oops...fundamentalist guys I would always have a nagging doubt that if their advice was not taken there may well be an explosion on the beach at a later date. I'm damn sure it wouldn't be the witnesses planting a bomb.
#37
Great thinking op.
I'm a Muslim and I do think you will be given food as it's common sence.
your hotel should provide you it and only a odd amount of take aways will be open I suppose as it's a holiday destination.

Ramadan lasts 30 days and it started yesterday .
banned#38
First contact with aliens in the next 100 years or so, religion will become obsolete.
#39
some points to bring this to a level of sanity

the report in Hurriyet Daily News talks about a beach in northern Turkey - so not a western tourist beach! This is frequented by mainly Turks - and these are Turks behaving in a Western way if you want to put it that way. So yes this is similar to extreme "Christian" groups preaching here or for example in the US - nothing more. And to assume that all Muslims are terrorists or bombers is just Xenophobic!

Also many Muslims in Turkey are very very moderate and do not fast during Ramadam / Ramazam. In fact of the many Turklish friends I have I do not know any who do fast.

So in principle any holiday maker will not have any issues with food and drink during daylight hours - the only issues maybe getting a table in a restaurant soon after sunset. Other than that - no issues. And yes I know this from both holiday and business travel to many parts of Turkey during Ramadam.

As mentioned before just show respect to those who are fasting, after all you are in their country and should follow their rules. And before i get flamed - not every Muslim in the UK is fundamental or extremist and most do respect our laws and cultures - it is the minority who give Islam a bad press.

EliTom
#40
Yes, admittedly a minority but adhering closely to the tenets of the Quran and Hadith which permits them these fundamentalist views.

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