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Removed wallpaper and caulk(?) has come away as well.

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I have been scraping the paper away where the ceiling meets the wall and a lot of rubbery (caulk/silicone?) came away as well. Because it was hanging down, I pulled on it and in one area (in the other… Read More
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4m, 4d agoPosted 4 months, 4 days ago
I have been scraping the paper away where the ceiling meets the wall and a lot of rubbery (caulk/silicone?) came away as well. Because it was hanging down, I pulled on it and in one area (in the other areas there is a gap of around 4 mm wide) there is a gap of around 7 mm wide by around 1 cm deep. What came away, was very hard and rubbery - would this be caulk or silicone? I need to get the room totally finished by the end of the week, so have no time for getting in a plasterer/builder to sort this out. What can I use to fill the gaps between the ceiling and the wall, and in particular the bigger area of around 7 mm wide by 1 cm deep? Could I push paper into the bigger gap and then use a caulk on top, or would something like polyfiller be better to fill the bigger hole and then top it with caulk? Also, I will be using a patterned wallpaper on the walls - would it be better to put the paper up - so the edges are hidden in the gap (to give a neat edge) and then use caulk afterwards to fill the gap between the ceiling and wall? Any advice appreciated. Thank you.
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#1
Don't stuff holes with paper.
"Pollyfiller" is probably the answer but you will need to wait for it to cure and sand back. Alternatively, you may get away with crack/hole repair tape; £1 @ Wickes etc if time is against you
#2
use decorators caulk in a gun, don't use normal filler it will dry hard and any movement it will crack, fill as needed with caulking gun leaving slightly proud, use a damp sponge to smooth off, rinsing as necessary, if there are any gaps or indentations leave to dry an fill gaps.
remember caulk can't be sanded so get the best finish you can with the sponge.
don't use silicone at all, its a nightmare to work with and can't be over painted.
#3
shadey12
use decorators caulk in a gun, don't use normal filler it will dry hard and any movement it will crack, fill as needed with caulking gun leaving slightly proud, use a damp sponge to smooth off, rinsing as necessary, if there are any gaps or indentations leave to dry an fill gaps.
remember caulk can't be sanded so get the best finish you can with the sponge.
don't use silicone at all, its a nightmare to work with and can't be over painted.

I'm planning on painting the ceiling as well. Should I paint the ceiling first and then fill with the caulk? Also, would it be possible to put the patterned wallpaper up before I caulk the gap - just thought that I could tuck the edge of the paper slightly into the gap, so don't have to worry about the edges being perfectly straight? If I do it this way instead, would it be easy to wipe any excess caulk off of the top of the paper? Would you recommend any make of caulk in particular - I've looked at the Screwfix website and they have many different types? Thank you.
#4
Sophiasky
shadey12
use decorators caulk in a gun, don't use normal filler it will dry hard and any movement it will crack, fill as needed with caulking gun leaving slightly proud, use a damp sponge to smooth off, rinsing as necessary, if there are any gaps or indentations leave to dry an fill gaps.
remember caulk can't be sanded so get the best finish you can with the sponge.
don't use silicone at all, its a nightmare to work with and can't be over painted.

I'm planning on painting the ceiling as well. Should I paint the ceiling first and then fill with the caulk? Also, would it be possible to put the patterned wallpaper up before I caulk the gap - just thought that I could tuck the edge of the paper slightly into the gap, so don't have to worry about the edges being perfectly straight? If I do it this way instead, would it be easy to wipe any excess caulk off of the top of the paper? Would you recommend any make of caulk in particular - I've looked at the Screwfix website and they have many different types? Thank you.


fill the gaps first, paint the ceiling and the caulk and about an inch or 3cm down the walls.
paper walls.
caulk turns yellow over time, its designed to be painted over.
screwfix own brand stuff is fine.
#5
Screwfix,no nonsense caulk 99p,excellent product
#6
shadey12
Sophiasky
shadey12
use decorators caulk in a gun, don't use normal filler it will dry hard and any movement it will crack, fill as needed with caulking gun leaving slightly proud, use a damp sponge to smooth off, rinsing as necessary, if there are any gaps or indentations leave to dry an fill gaps.
remember caulk can't be sanded so get the best finish you can with the sponge.
don't use silicone at all, its a nightmare to work with and can't be over painted.
I'm planning on painting the ceiling as well. Should I paint the ceiling first and then fill with the caulk? Also, would it be possible to put the patterned wallpaper up before I caulk the gap - just thought that I could tuck the edge of the paper slightly into the gap, so don't have to worry about the edges being perfectly straight? If I do it this way instead, would it be easy to wipe any excess caulk off of the top of the paper? Would you recommend any make of caulk in particular - I've looked at the Screwfix website and they have many different types? Thank you.
fill the gaps first, paint the ceiling and the caulk and about an inch or 3cm down the walls.
paper walls.
caulk turns yellow over time, its designed to be painted over.
screwfix own brand stuff is fine.

Thank you for your advice.
#7
Sophiasky
shadey12
Sophiasky
shadey12
use decorators caulk in a gun, don't use normal filler it will dry hard and any movement it will crack, fill as needed with caulking gun leaving slightly proud, use a damp sponge to smooth off, rinsing as necessary, if there are any gaps or indentations leave to dry an fill gaps.
remember caulk can't be sanded so get the best finish you can with the sponge.
don't use silicone at all, its a nightmare to work with and can't be over painted.
I'm planning on painting the ceiling as well. Should I paint the ceiling first and then fill with the caulk? Also, would it be possible to put the patterned wallpaper up before I caulk the gap - just thought that I could tuck the edge of the paper slightly into the gap, so don't have to worry about the edges being perfectly straight? If I do it this way instead, would it be easy to wipe any excess caulk off of the top of the paper? Would you recommend any make of caulk in particular - I've looked at the Screwfix website and they have many different types? Thank you.
fill the gaps first, paint the ceiling and the caulk and about an inch or 3cm down the walls.
paper walls.
caulk turns yellow over time, its designed to be painted over.
screwfix own brand stuff is fine.

Thank you for your advice.


just remember to get the caulk as good as you can, remember you can't sand it, its better to leave it a bit shallow as you can always put a bit more in.
once you have caulked it, you can always give it a quick coat of emulsion paint on just to see how it looks, if their are any imperfections rectify them before painting whole ceiling and papering.
#8
have you thought about putting a coving round the room easy and cheap to do and plenty of sizes and patterns to pick from you could even paper before fitting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihpMaCtZeMY




Edited By: ninegt on Feb 20, 2017 15:45: update
#9
I would fill with TOUPRET POWDERED INTERIOR FILLER 2KG from screwfix, item (4911H) it dries really fast... Like 12 hours or less for the thick deep bits. Sticks well. Don't shrink or crack. Neat job. Then just paper as planned over the top. Don't bother with caulk as it will be a mess. Also takes to long to dry. I avoid caulk if I can and only use small amounts after filling if I think it's needed
#10
ninegt
have you thought about putting a coving round the room easy and cheap to do and plenty of sizes and patterns to pick from you could even paper before fitting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihpMaCtZeMY

I'd like to put up coving, but my sitting room ceiling is artexed (swirly circles) - something I'm not keen on but would cost a lot of money to get removed/covered. Would coving actually sit against the artexed ceiling ok - there is a narrow strip (about 1 inch wide) around the edges of the coving that is just plain (not artexed). If coving is not suitable, is there something else that I could use? Thank you.
#11
Sophiasky
ninegt
have you thought about putting a coving round the room easy and cheap to do and plenty of sizes and patterns to pick from you could even paper before fitting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihpMaCtZeMY
I'd like to put up coving, but my sitting room ceiling is artexed (swirly circles) - something I'm not keen on but would cost a lot of money to get removed/covered. Would coving actually sit against the artexed ceiling ok - there is a narrow strip (about 1 inch wide) around the edges of the coving that is just plain (not artexed). If coving is not suitable, is there something else that I could use? Thank you.
you can get narrow coving. or you could try a piece of coving pushed hard against the artex and see how it fits and just seal between the artex and the coving with a flexable filler. try one lenth and see if you are happy

Edited By: ninegt on Feb 21, 2017 00:34
#12
ninegt
Sophiasky
ninegt
have you thought about putting a coving round the room easy and cheap to do and plenty of sizes and patterns to pick from you could even paper before fitting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihpMaCtZeMY
I'd like to put up coving, but my sitting room ceiling is artexed (swirly circles) - something I'm not keen on but would cost a lot of money to get removed/covered. Would coving actually sit against the artexed ceiling ok - there is a narrow strip (about 1 inch wide) around the edges of the coving that is just plain (not artexed). If coving is not suitable, is there something else that I could use? Thank you.
you can get narrow coving. or you could try a piece of coving pushed hard against the artex and see how it fits and just seal between the artex and the coving with a flexable filler. try one lenth and see if you are happy

I think that I will try the coving, however, I do have two internal corners (on the same wall) where I have a piece of trunking running down from the ceiling to the skirting board - one is about an inch wide and hides the electrical wiring and the other is about two inches wide and covers some pipework leading to the gas heater. Does anybody have any suggestions as to get around applying coving where the trunking is - digging out the wall to bury the cables, etc, is not an option for me due to time restraints and the fact that I would have to pay somebody to do it? Thank you.
#14

I've had a quick look and there are a lot of videos about cutting and putting up coving, but I can't find one about putting coving around trunking - have you ever seen one yourself? Thank you.
#15
Sophiasky
I've had a quick look and there are a lot of videos about cutting and putting up coving, but I can't find one about putting coving around trunking - have you ever seen one yourself? Thank you.

can you put the coving up to each side of the trunking and just make good over and around the trunking with filler



Edited By: ninegt on Feb 21, 2017 20:53
#16
ninegt
Sophiasky
I've had a quick look and there are a lot of videos about cutting and putting up coving, but I can't find one about putting coving around trunking - have you ever seen one yourself? Thank you.
can you put the coving up to each side of the trunking and just make good over and around the trunking with filler

I think that that is a possibility, thank you.
#17
wayners
I would fill with TOUPRET POWDERED INTERIOR FILLER 2KG from screwfix, item (4911H) it dries really fast... Like 12 hours or less for the thick deep bits. Sticks well. Don't shrink or crack. Neat job. Then just paper as planned over the top. Don't bother with caulk as it will be a mess. Also takes to long to dry. I avoid caulk if I can and only use small amounts after filling if I think it's needed
Agree totally, used this on a recent renovation as time was against me, really good finish and won't flash or grin

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