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I was reversing my car in to a dead end road I'm in a big Volvo xc90 the road was clear as I've reversed a car pulled in to the road and I got it my car has a broken light but the other car is bad who… Read More
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1m, 2w agoPosted 1 month, 2 weeks ago
I was reversing my car in to a dead end road I'm in a big Volvo xc90 the road was clear as I've reversed a car pulled in to the road and I got it my car has a broken light but the other car is bad who is at fault
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#1
How did you hit? Head on into each other or did one of the cars get hit at the back
#2
Some punctuation marks might help in us understanding your situation.
#3
its pretty much your fault mate sadly.
as you were reversing its up to you to make 100% sure at all times that in front of you, at the side of you and behind you is clear at all times and if are not sure you should get out and check.
so as you were reversing, it was up to you to stop before the collision.
i imagine someone is gonna say im wrong but i did pass my ADI 15 years ago and your situation was one of the question at the time

Edited By: lollypoplee on May 04, 2017 17:59: .
#4
lollypoplee
its pretty much your fault mate sadly.
as you were reversing its up to you to make 100% sure at all times that in front of you, at the side of you and behind you is clear at all times and yuu are not sure you should get out and check.
so as you were reversing, it was up to you to stop before the collision.
i imagine someone is gonna say im wrong but i did pass my ADI 15 years ago and your situation was one of the question at the time

I think your right, I'm sure the rules still are if your reversing it's your obligation to make sure the road is clear at all times during manoeuvre but sometimes it does matter in what area the cars hit each other. It's at least 50/50 OP's fault..... Sorry to break it to you bro :(

Edited By: Emmzrocks on May 04, 2017 18:02
#5
Lollypoplee is pretty much right. I am a fleet manager and often have to hear our drivers reasons for accidents and in 99% of scenarios when you put the car in "R" in most cases you really assume all liability for what happens.

Your argument is going to be, that you were stopped, not reversing and they drove in to you (you being static). However, what side of the road were you on? If not the correct side then its probably still your fault.
#6
I was lead to believe that after a certain distance in reverse manoeuvre you have right of way. otherwise anyone could just smash into a reversing vehicle on purpose.
I had a clown hit me doing this in an old banger. I was reversing out of a parking space and was past the left lane he should have been driving in. He drove on the wrong side to hit me.. I was reversing very slowly and anyone driving toward me should have had plenty of time to beep at me if I was actually going to reverse into them.. A guy wanting to get out the carpark even said if he moved his car he would say it was my fault..
However I never heard another thing from him after I took some pictures at the scene.
he was just trying it on smashing into a new car.
#7
How fast were you reversing if you've got a smashed light and the other car is really bad???
#8
You were reversing into a dead end road and the other car came into the road and hit you. Doesn't make sense from the direction as that meant the other car ran into the front of you because he didn't see you already in the dead end road?
#9
So you've reversed into another car?
#10
The car was turning in to the same road I was reversing in too, he was trying to do it quick to get past me and I have sensors in my car they didn't even go off it was that quick, I wasn't reversing fast and his whole door panel is trashed as I said xc90 I built like tanks
#11
Emmzrocks
Emmzrocks
Did the car pull in from behind your car or in front? In general, a car with a rear hit is the other drivers fault. Head on can swing either way as can a back to back collision (for example 2 cars reversing out of parking spaces at the same time) and if one driver is crossing the path of another it is their fault. If you both should have seen each other and should have had time to avoid the collision I'd say it's 50/50 fault. This is just how insurance look at claims in general but they will of course look into the specific situation and they may rule differently to my answer
The car pulled in behind me
#12
donthasslethe
How fast were you reversing if you've got a smashed light and the other car is really bad???[/quo
[quote=lollypoplee]its pretty much your fault mate sadly.
as you were reversing its up to you to make 100% sure at all times that in front of you, at the side of you and behind you is clear at all times and if are not sure you should get out and check.
so as you were reversing, it was up to you to stop before the collision.
i imagine someone is gonna say im wrong but i did pass my ADI 15 years ago and your situation was one of the question at the time
I was watching he came out off no where and tried to dr8ve qu8ck behind me but wasn't quick enough I do have a witness
#13
Sammu1984
The car was turning in to the same road I was reversing in too, he was trying to do it quick to get past me and I have sensors in my car they didn't even go off it was that quick, I wasn't reversing fast and his whole door panel is trashed as I said xc90 I built like tanks

You mean, you were reversing into a dead end road. The other car turned into the same dead end road after you had started to reverse but he went on the other side as you were reversing on this side. Unfortunately the road is not wide enough for two cars abreast so you two ended up wedged against each other?
#14
mutley1
Sammu1984
The car was turning in to the same road I was reversing in too, he was trying to do it quick to get past me and I have sensors in my car they didn't even go off it was that quick, I wasn't reversing fast and his whole door panel is trashed as I said xc90 I built like tanks
You mean, you were reversing into a dead end road. The other car turned into the same dead end road after you had started to reverse but he went on the other side as you were reversing on this side. Unfortunately the road is not wide enough for two cars abreast so you two ended up wedged against each other?
Nope I was parked on the right hand side off the road stopping my son off I was reversing to the right off me and a car turned right in to the same road which was a dead end and he didn't do it quick enough
#15
Sammu1984
mutley1
Sammu1984
The car was turning in to the same road I was reversing in too, he was trying to do it quick to get past me and I have sensors in my car they didn't even go off it was that quick, I wasn't reversing fast and his whole door panel is trashed as I said xc90 I built like tanks
You mean, you were reversing into a dead end road. The other car turned into the same dead end road after you had started to reverse but he went on the other side as you were reversing on this side. Unfortunately the road is not wide enough for two cars abreast so you two ended up wedged against each other?
Nope I was parked on the right hand side off the road stopping my son off I was reversing to the right off me and a car turned right in to the same road which was a dead end and he didn't do it quick enough

So you reversed into his left side passenger door?
#16
mutley1
Sammu1984
mutley1
Sammu1984
The car was turning in to the same road I was reversing in too, he was trying to do it quick to get past me and I have sensors in my car they didn't even go off it was that quick, I wasn't reversing fast and his whole door panel is trashed as I said xc90 I built like tanks
You mean, you were reversing into a dead end road. The other car turned into the same dead end road after you had started to reverse but he went on the other side as you were reversing on this side. Unfortunately the road is not wide enough for two cars abreast so you two ended up wedged against each other?
Nope I was parked on the right hand side off the road stopping my son off I was reversing to the right off me and a car turned right in to the same road which was a dead end and he didn't do it quick enough
So you reversed into his left side passenger door?
Yes
#17
mutley1
Sammu1984
The car was turning in to the same road I was reversing in too, he was trying to do it quick to get past me and I have sensors in my car they didn't even go off it was that quick, I wasn't reversing fast and his whole door panel is trashed as I said xc90 I built like tanks
You mean, you were reversing into a dead end road. The other car turned into the same dead end road after you had started to reverse but he went on the other side as you were reversing on this side. Unfortunately the road is not wide enough for two cars abreast so you two ended up wedged against each other?
If this is the case then the other driver should have waited until the OP finished his/her manoevre.

Edited By: devilsadv0cate on May 04, 2017 19:02
#18
devilsadv0cate
mutley1
Sammu1984
The car was turning in to the same road I was reversing in too, he was trying to do it quick to get past me and I have sensors in my car they didn't even go off it was that quick, I wasn't reversing fast and his whole door panel is trashed as I said xc90 I built like tanks
You mean, you were reversing into a dead end road. The other car turned into the same dead end road after you had started to reverse but he went on the other side as you were reversing on this side. Unfortunately the road is not wide enough for two cars abreast so you two ended up wedged against each other?
If this is the case then the other driver should have waited until the OP finished his manoevre.
That's what I though
#19
Sammu1984
mutley1
Sammu1984
mutley1
Sammu1984
The car was turning in to the same road I was reversing in too, he was trying to do it quick to get past me and I have sensors in my car they didn't even go off it was that quick, I wasn't reversing fast and his whole door panel is trashed as I said xc90 I built like tanks
You mean, you were reversing into a dead end road. The other car turned into the same dead end road after you had started to reverse but he went on the other side as you were reversing on this side. Unfortunately the road is not wide enough for two cars abreast so you two ended up wedged against each other?
Nope I was parked on the right hand side off the road stopping my son off I was reversing to the right off me and a car turned right in to the same road which was a dead end and he didn't do it quick enough
So you reversed into his left side passenger door?
Yes

It would be one for the insurers to decide who hit who first. Whether he was turning then you reversed into him as you did not see him turn right, or whether you were already reversing but he tried to nip past you as you state. If you have a witness, did you get a witness statement and the witness contact details for the insurer?

It may turn into a split 50/50 fault if the insurers can not determine with certainty who was at fault.
#20
mutley1
Sammu1984
mutley1
Sammu1984
The car was turning in to the same road I was reversing in too, he was trying to do it quick to get past me and I have sensors in my car they didn't even go off it was that quick, I wasn't reversing fast and his whole door panel is trashed as I said xc90 I built like tanks
You mean, you were reversing into a dead end road. The other car turned into the same dead end road after you had started to reverse but he went on the other side as you were reversing on this side. Unfortunately the road is not wide enough for two cars abreast so you two ended up wedged against each other?
Nope I was parked on the right hand side off the road stopping my son off I was reversing to the right off me and a car turned right in to the same road which was a dead end and he didn't do it quick enough
So you reversed into his left side passenger door?

Any chance you can translate what actually happened? The OP has me thoroughly confused :p
#21
Firefly1
mutley1
Sammu1984
mutley1
Sammu1984
The car was turning in to the same road I was reversing in too, he was trying to do it quick to get past me and I have sensors in my car they didn't even go off it was that quick, I wasn't reversing fast and his whole door panel is trashed as I said xc90 I built like tanks
You mean, you were reversing into a dead end road. The other car turned into the same dead end road after you had started to reverse but he went on the other side as you were reversing on this side. Unfortunately the road is not wide enough for two cars abreast so you two ended up wedged against each other?
Nope I was parked on the right hand side off the road stopping my son off I was reversing to the right off me and a car turned right in to the same road which was a dead end and he didn't do it quick enough
So you reversed into his left side passenger door?
Any chance you can translate what actually happened? The OP has me thoroughly confused :p

It took a while to see the full picture. I am not even very good with direction and has difficulty recognising my left from my right, so it took a bit of thinking for me to see the actual accident. Lol.
#22
Firefly1
mutley1
Sammu1984
mutley1
Sammu1984
The car was turning in to the same road I was reversing in too, he was trying to do it quick to get past me and I have sensors in my car they didn't even go off it was that quick, I wasn't reversing fast and his whole door panel is trashed as I said xc90 I built like tanks
You mean, you were reversing into a dead end road. The other car turned into the same dead end road after you had started to reverse but he went on the other side as you were reversing on this side. Unfortunately the road is not wide enough for two cars abreast so you two ended up wedged against each other?
Nope I was parked on the right hand side off the road stopping my son off I was reversing to the right off me and a car turned right in to the same road which was a dead end and he didn't do it quick enough
So you reversed into his left side passenger door?
Any chance you can translate what actually happened? The OP has me thoroughly confused :p
I think the OP reversed into someone's left side passenger door. I can't see how it's anyones fault but the OPs if it's caused massive damage to the passenger door. Your eyes shouldn't be taken off the mirrors/blind spots at all while reversing and as soon as you see something you stop. Unless the other car drifted into him/ her sideways? I'm not trying to be horrible but it sounds like the OP is trying to find out who is at fault and unfortunately it sounds like him/ her. :(
#23
The insurers couldn't care less who's really at fault. They will just conclude 50/50. Both parties will lie and blame the other, neither insurer will be interested in any balance of probabilities.
#24
Is this an example of your manoeuvre ?

Whilst revering into the side street, the other car turned right into same side street (coming from position 'A' on pic?) and collided with your rear, damaging the rear of your car and the passenger side of theres..?
I'm guessing the position of your car would be roughly at the give way lines, in between position 'C' and 'D' on pic..?


http://www.driving-test-success.com/rev_corner/reversing-side-road-right.jpg



Edited By: andynicol on May 04, 2017 20:30
#25
andynicol
Is this an example of your manoeuvre ?
Whilst revering into the side street, the other car turned right into same side street (coming from position 'A' on pic?) and collided with your rear, damaging the rear of your car and the passenger side of theres..?
I'm guessing the position of your car would be roughly at the give way lines, in between position 'C' and 'D' on pic..?http://www.driving-test-success.com/rev_corner/reversing-side-road-right.jpg
Yes that's it I'm car c who's in the wrong tho
#26
Sammu1984
andynicol
Is this an example of your manoeuvre ?
Whilst revering into the side street, the other car turned right into same side street (coming from position 'A' on pic?) and collided with your rear, damaging the rear of your car and the passenger side of theres..?
I'm guessing the position of your car would be roughly at the give way lines, in between position 'C' and 'D' on pic..?http://www.driving-test-success.com/rev_corner/reversing-side-road-right.jpg
Yes that's it I'm car c who's in the wrong tho

Both parties at fault IMO.

Whilst reversing you should have been aware of all other road users, and should have seen the car about to turn right.

The other car should have seen you reversing, reverse lights on, hazards on(?), and given you time to complete the manoeuvre.

Presumably you have taken photos at time of incident, what 'might' be taken into consideration is the positioning, which 'should' indicate who started the manoeuvre first..?
i.e. if the rear of your car was on the give way lines, that would suggest you started the manoeuvre first and the other car should have waited.
#27
But if your on the right are you not on the wrong side of the road unless it's a one way street. Really confusing reading this
#28
i was in a similar situation a few years ago after i missed a turning and tried reversing back to turn into it another car pulled out of the said turning and hit me in the rear the insurance settled the claim 50/50
#29
If you are car C then you are on the wrong side of the road??!!
#30
Unless you can prove the other car was driving too fast when entering the dead end road then I think you're going to be blamed regardless, no doubt their car flew around the bend without allowing for something close ahead but ultimately you can't prove that and at best the insurance companies would say you were both at fault as you could have easily turned at the other end of the road, no claims hurt equally either way. That's why I bought a dashcam, nobody will own up to their mistakes.
I got knocked off my motorbike, other driver was indicating to turn at a crossroads, I had been stopped at the junction a while and he couldn't turn until I moved. As I went he accelerated and wiped me out, he then tried to claim for whiplash injuries even though the collision was so minor I was relatively unhurt and I claimed for nothing. His two pence sized dent in the bonnet caused by the underside of my foot cost £1600 pounds to fix as he was driving a hire car for 3 months (no idea why).
#31
From my understanding, the fact you hit the other cars passenger door would suggest that it's Binet was already in the road that you were entering, so I'd suggest it was their right of way - you manoeuvres into them, not the other way around.
Just my opinion, but let the insurance companies decide.
#32
Dawsy
I was lead to believe that after a certain distance in reverse manoeuvre you have right of way. .

Who led you to believe that?

If someone turns onto the road they would have no idea if you've been reversing for 10 yards or 100 yards

It would also mean any person reversing a car would just say they had reversed for whatever the minimum distance is
#33
aau1
Dawsy
I was lead to believe that after a certain distance in reverse manoeuvre you have right of way. .

Who led you to believe that?

If someone turns onto the road they would have no idea if you've been reversing for 10 yards or 100 yards

It would also mean any person reversing a car would just say they had reversed for whatever the minimum distance is


My colleague who's dad was a traffic policeman.
It was something about parking bays and reversing once you are 60% out..
The oncoming vehicle should be traveling slowly enough to see you and slow down before reaching you.

Otherwise you can just smash head on in to any car reversing and say it was their fault..

Try it next time at the supermarket!

Same as when a car pulls out of a junction if they get the car square on to the road and you hit them it's your fault. I know many many idiots now do this even on national speed limit roads. Sometimes where breaking is not an option due to the speed your traveling at.
The law would say you should be driving slow enough to slow down and not hit the back of them. Or be able to pass them if the pull onto the 60 mph road..
#34
Dawsy
aau1
Dawsy
I was lead to believe that after a certain distance in reverse manoeuvre you have right of way. .
Who led you to believe that?
If someone turns onto the road they would have no idea if you've been reversing for 10 yards or 100 yards
It would also mean any person reversing a car would just say they had reversed for whatever the minimum distance is
My colleague who's dad was a traffic policeman.
It was something about parking bays and reversing once you are 60% out..
The oncoming vehicle should be traveling slowly enough to see you and slow down before reaching you.
Otherwise you can just smash head on in to any car reversing and say it was their fault..
Try it next time at the supermarket!
Same as when a car pulls out of a junction if they get the car square on to the road and you hit them it's your fault. I know many many idiots now do this even on national speed limit roads. Sometimes where breaking is not an option due to the speed your traveling at.
The law would say you should be driving slow enough to slow down and not hit the back of them. Or be able to pass them if the pull onto the 60 mph road..
You are wrong, if someone pulls out on you it is always there fault. Because they would find it very difficult to prove you were speeding etc.

Yes of course you should practice safe driving, expect someone to pull out and allow enough time to avoid a collision etc.

If they were found to be speeding, drink/drunk driving or breaking any other laws then of course they would then probably be classed as at fault but in normal circumstances it would be them at fault.

When pulling out of a junction you have to make sure that you allow enough time as to not make any oncoming traffic change speed or indeed direction.
#35
Dawsy
aau1
Dawsy
I was lead to believe that after a certain distance in reverse manoeuvre you have right of way. .
Who led you to believe that?
If someone turns onto the road they would have no idea if you've been reversing for 10 yards or 100 yards
It would also mean any person reversing a car would just say they had reversed for whatever the minimum distance is
My colleague who's dad was a traffic policeman.
It was something about parking bays and reversing once you are 60% out..
The oncoming vehicle should be traveling slowly enough to see you and slow down before reaching you.
Otherwise you can just smash head on in to any car reversing and say it was their fault..
Try it next time at the supermarket!
Same as when a car pulls out of a junction if they get the car square on to the road and you hit them it's your fault. I know many many idiots now do this even on national speed limit roads. Sometimes where breaking is not an option due to the speed your traveling at.
The law would say you should be driving slow enough to slow down and not hit the back of them. Or be able to pass them if the pull onto the 60 mph road..

I think though that 'insurance fault' is different from 'police fault'. Meaning that someone who takes all reasonable precautions when reversing yet still gets hit by someone, would probably not be charged with a traffic offence but might still be hit with the insurance fault. Generally speaking insurance companies try to keep it simpler (probably to minimise costs) with a lot more strict liabilities.

As for deliberate accidents - they do happen, because scammers know how insurers look at these things. There's a fairly common scam where if someone is trying to turn across oncoming traffic into a side road, a scammer would deliberately slow down or even flash their headlights in order to encourage them to do so - and then proceed to hit them so that the person is considered at fault. There was even a case a while back of someone who disconnected their reversing lights and reversed into cars behind in heavy traffic, so that any witnesses would think that logically it was the person behind who hit the person in front instead.
#36
shauneco
Dawsy
aau1
Dawsy
I was lead to believe that after a certain distance in reverse manoeuvre you have right of way. .
Who led you to believe that?
If someone turns onto the road they would have no idea if you've been reversing for 10 yards or 100 yards
It would also mean any person reversing a car would just say they had reversed for whatever the minimum distance is
My colleague who's dad was a traffic policeman.
It was something about parking bays and reversing once you are 60% out..
The oncoming vehicle should be traveling slowly enough to see you and slow down before reaching you.
Otherwise you can just smash head on in to any car reversing and say it was their fault..
Try it next time at the supermarket!
Same as when a car pulls out of a junction if they get the car square on to the road and you hit them it's your fault. I know many many idiots now do this even on national speed limit roads. Sometimes where breaking is not an option due to the speed your traveling at.
The law would say you should be driving slow enough to slow down and not hit the back of them. Or be able to pass them if the pull onto the 60 mph road..
You are wrong, if someone pulls out on you it is always there fault. Because they would find it very difficult to prove you were speeding etc.

Yes of course you should practice safe driving, expect someone to pull out and allow enough time to avoid a collision etc.

If they were found to be speeding, drink/drunk driving or breaking any other laws then of course they would then probably be classed as at fault but in normal circumstances it would be them at fault.

When pulling out of a junction you have to make sure that you allow enough time as to not make any oncoming traffic change speed or indeed direction.





I know exactly what you mean with the speed direction as per highway code. However unless you had a dash cam and actually hit every car that did this instead of breaking or swerving I think you would certainly lose many cases if you didn't bother to apply your breaks. if the car did pull out onto the road and you were able to break to avoid the collision then I'm sure even with dash cam you would struggle. it would possibly be a 50/50 blame at best.
Driving standards must be at an all time low.
Technology in cars is too much of a distraction for most people and the airbags etc are just assisting people feel safe.
I bet I get at least one car if not 3 or 4 pulling out and causing me to slow down a week, usually in the same places. Same as the overhanging a junction so it's either let you go, swerve to get round you or hit your bumper has now become a trend.. I saw a road owner in a Mercedes do this just yesterday. However the tram she did it to could only slow down.. she hastily put it into reverse and hit a pedestrian walking behind her car. she did not give a rat's about the woman she hit. not even sure if she was aware that she did it. the woman just walked away a little shocked looking puzzled.

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