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Probably isn't my proudest moment asking a bunch of deal hunters about the rules of the road but I'm sure there are a bunch that are competent drivers. http://i67.tinypic.com/20fpwjr.jpg On this…
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5m, 1w agoPosted 5 months, 1 week ago
Probably isn't my proudest moment asking a bunch of deal hunters about the rules of the road but I'm sure there are a bunch that are competent drivers.

http://i67.tinypic.com/20fpwjr.jpg

On this roundabout, if approaching from the bottom left and intending to take the 2nd exit (top right). My knowledge of roundabouts suggests that the right lane would be appropriate. But I find that people stay in the left lane on approach and still make their way into the roundabout. I've had a few close calls when I've approached in the right lane, and on exit merged into the left lane only to meet another driver there.

I've asked my 1 instructor that i know who says you need to stay in the left but another says right since it's after 12 o clock. I've recently passed my test so really would like to know the correct procedure here.
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5m, 1w agoPosted 5 months, 1 week ago
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I was taught...

first exit - left lane, indicate left
second exit - left lane, indicate left after first exit
3rd & 4th - right lane, indicating right, indicate left after 2nd/3rd exit




Edited By: Apogee00 on Sep 15, 2016 16:05

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#1
I've always been of the understanding (and was taught) that it should be the right Lane as it's after 12.
But, apparently, the teaching now means that you use the "appropriate lane" whatever the hell that means.

Edited By: stuarthanley on Sep 15, 2016 15:48
#2
Unless specifically stated by road markings then you should in in the right hand lane as the junction is past 12 o clock
#3
If it was me, I would be in the right Lane.

However I think that it could be either Lane as the road North of the round about is a dual carriageway. So if you started on the left you would follow it round and stay on the left on the exit, if you were on the right you would stay at the right on the exit. But I could be wrong
#4
gonzo02
Unless specifically stated by road markings then you should in in the right hand lane as the junction is past 12 o clock
there is no marking or signs to suggest to use the left.

My problem is that if I'm approaching from the right lane, do I exit in the right lane or the left lane?
#5
I was taught...

first exit - left lane, indicate left
second exit - left lane, indicate left after first exit
3rd & 4th - right lane, indicating right, indicate left after 2nd/3rd exit




Edited By: Apogee00 on Sep 15, 2016 16:05
#6
ukting
gonzo02
Unless specifically stated by road markings then you should in in the right hand lane as the junction is past 12 o clock
there is no marking or signs to suggest to use the left.
My problem is that if I'm approaching from the right lane, do I exit in the right lane or the left lane?
Pictures gone. I'd say exit in the left Lane but, again, I dunno what they teach drivers nowadays.
#7
Apogee00
I was taught...

first exit - left lane, indicate left
second exit - left lane, indicate left after first exit
3rd & 4th - right lane, indicating right, indicate left after 3rd/4th exit
What if there are only 3 exits and the second exit is 270 degrees around the island though?
#8
I thought that if all exits are single carriageway- first exit use left, second exit use left, 3rd exit use right - unless road markings state different.
I've had people before on a small roundabout in right lane going to second exit straight on while I've done the same in left - always screamed at them . Crap I hope I'm right
#9
Apogee00
I was taught...
first exit - left lane, indicate left
second exit - left lane, indicate left after first exit
3rd & 4th - right lane, indicating right, indicate left after 2nd/3rd exit
me too (23yrs ago)
#10
It looks to me like the entrance and exits you're referring to are dual carriageways, and are the main route with both lanes continuing after the roundabout, so you could essentially imagine the roundabout isn't there. You'd exit in the same lane you entered. The other two entrances / exits look like single lane roads, which join more easily, and would solely use the left-hand lane.

Edited By: Quietus on Sep 15, 2016 16:13
#11
Quietus
It looks to me like the entrance and exits you're referring to are dual carriageways, and are the main route with both lanes continuing after the roundabout, so you could essentially imagine the roundabout isn't there. You'd exit in the same lane you entered. The other two entrances / exits look like single lane roads, which join more easily, and would solely use the left-hand lane.
that makes sence. Yes that's correct, the 2nd exit leads to a dual carrigeway (Windsor) whereas the 1st exit leads to Eton. So really and truly, if one wanted to stay in the left lane on exit they would join the roundabout in the left. And to stay in the right lane then you would join in the right. So in essence, one can make the second exit in both left and right lanes?
#12
A few things to consider.
If a driver has never used this roundabout before, and the signage is poor, does not have a SATNAV and no human navigator, what lane is he/she likely to use on the approach and likely to use on the exit?
I think, it would be left throughout.
The problem is traffic coming from the right and wanting to take the first exit after your approach road. If they are in the left lane not really a problem but if they are in the right lane they will either have to cross your path in front of you or dive in just behind you hoping there is no one near your rear end.
The picture makes it difficult to see exactly the first and third exits, but I would say it makes little difference if you use the left or right lane on the approach as long as you stick to either one throughout the manoeuvre all the way through to the exit.
#13
Buy a BMW you can then use any lane you wish. You can also keep people guessing where you want to go by using the optional indicators.
#14
tardytortoise
A few things to consider.
If a driver has never used this roundabout before, and the signage is poor, does not have a SATNAV and no human navigator, what lane is he/she likely to use on the approach and likely to use on the exit?
I think, it would be left throughout.
The problem is traffic coming from the right and wanting to take the first exit after your approach road. If they are in the left lane not really a problem but if they are in the right lane they will either have to cross your path in front of you or dive in just behind you hoping there is no one near your rear end.
The picture makes it difficult to see exactly the first and third exits, but I would say it makes little difference if you use the left or right lane on the approach as long as you stick to either one throughout the manoeuvre all the way through to the exit.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Windsor+Rd,[email protected],-0.6041808,501m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x48767acebfe17b03:0x81b21376c8cb72b!8m2!3d51.5067032!4d-0.5972835

Joining from the north.
here's the roundabout. So basically if I join in the left lane I maneuvre in the left and join in the left and the converse is true for the right. I can't join in the right and just before exit straddle over into the left?

Edited By: ukting on Sep 15, 2016 16:27
#15
This roundabout is intentionally made for you to use the left lane of any of the entrances only if you're taking the immediately next exit

else (as per your question) use the right lane and exit into the right lane

This allows people that are going left to join and exit without having to wait to people from any other exits

You should not have any problem because even if people decide they want to use the left lane you won't cut them up and crash since they will be positioned to exit into the left lane anyway so you don't need to worry about that - they may however find people pulling out infront of them as they pass the first exit (but that's their own fault!)

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If you want to get a feel for it properly then visit the roundabout during busy traffic hours and you'll quickly find out what is the norm and what isn't.
#16
Correct me if I am wrong but the 2nd exit looks to be a dual carriageway (the markings look faded), if so then you could enter in either lanes.

If it was a single carriage way then I would enter in the left lane to take the 2nd exit, that is what I was taught on my motorbike lessons last year. The right lane would be for the 3rd and 4th exits.

Edited By: joshp on Sep 15, 2016 16:34
#17
ukting
I can't join in the right and just before exit straddle over into the left?

No you would risk cutting infront of people from the exit you just passed who are turning left

are you worried about the road becoming one and you being in the right because if you are then you don't need to be - think of it like a zipper, you'll slip right in - unless there is a **** of a driver in the left the whole process is pretty seamless
#18
murtgurge
This roundabout is intentionally made for you to use the left lane of any of the entrances only if you're taking the immediately next exit
else (as per your question) use the right lane and exit into the right lane
This allows people that are going left to join and exit without having to wait to people from any other exits
You should not have any problem because even if people decide they want to use the left lane you won't cut them up and crash since they will be positioned to exit into the left lane anyway so you don't need to worry about that - they may however find people pulling out infront of them as they pass the first exit (but that's their own fault!)
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If you want to get a feel for it properly then visit the roundabout during busy traffic hours and you'll quickly find out what is the norm and what isn't.
upon further street view on google maps, it appears that the is a strange black line that seperates the lanes (i think?)

It seems that the right lane isn't used for the second exit at all. Infact the left lane leads you directly into the left or the right lanes.
#19
ooh I was looking at the wrong road on street view *facepalm*

ok it is a dual carriageway
#21
ukting
So in essence, one can make the second exit in both left and right lanes?
Yes, with the most obvious example being two cars side by side entering and exiting at the same time.
#22
http://i66.tinypic.com/24bry39.png

That's the board, the 2nd exit to Windsor is way past the 12 o clock reference which is really putting my knowledge of roundabouts at un-ease!
#23
as its a double lane road you should stay in your lane around the roundabout. right hand side stays in right after the turn. if not you are crossing lanes. the road does not give priority unless the lanes merge.
#24
ukting
tardytortoise
A few things to consider.
If a driver has never used this roundabout before, and the signage is poor, does not have a SATNAV and no human navigator, what lane is he/she likely to use on the approach and likely to use on the exit?
I think, it would be left throughout.
The problem is traffic coming from the right and wanting to take the first exit after your approach road. If they are in the left lane not really a problem but if they are in the right lane they will either have to cross your path in front of you or dive in just behind you hoping there is no one near your rear end.
The picture makes it difficult to see exactly the first and third exits, but I would say it makes little difference if you use the left or right lane on the approach as long as you stick to either one throughout the manoeuvre all the way through to the exit.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Windsor+Rd,[email protected],-0.6041808,501m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x48767acebfe17b03:0x81b21376c8cb72b!8m2!3d51.5067032!4d-0.5972835
Joining from the north.
here's the roundabout. So basically if I join in the left lane I maneuvre in the left and join in the left and the converse is true for the right. I can't join in the right and just before exit straddle over into the left?
That is my view, yes - unless it was 100% safe to straddle over onto the left. But this would be very difficult to determine, blind side and awkward to look over left shoulder.
I can't say I am 100% familiar with that particular road but I have travelled around the area a fair bit and what struck me on every occasion is that everyone seems to be in a massive hurry, lack patience and are prone to cut you up as soon as look as you.
All drivers have to be prepared for anything especially the unexpected!!!
#25
I was always taught left for 1st and 2nd exit, right for 3rd (or more) unless the road markings say otherwise.
Just looked it up and it gets a little flaky if its like the pictured one
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/using-the-road-159-to-203

Edited By: joedastudd on Sep 15, 2016 18:43
#26
tardytortoise
ukting
tardytortoise
A few things to consider.
If a driver has never used this roundabout before, and the signage is poor, does not have a SATNAV and no human navigator, what lane is he/she likely to use on the approach and likely to use on the exit?
I think, it would be left throughout.
The problem is traffic coming from the right and wanting to take the first exit after your approach road. If they are in the left lane not really a problem but if they are in the right lane they will either have to cross your path in front of you or dive in just behind you hoping there is no one near your rear end.
The picture makes it difficult to see exactly the first and third exits, but I would say it makes little difference if you use the left or right lane on the approach as long as you stick to either one throughout the manoeuvre all the way through to the exit.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Windsor+Rd,[email protected],-0.6041808,501m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x48767acebfe17b03:0x81b21376c8cb72b!8m2!3d51.5067032!4d-0.5972835
Joining from the north.
here's the roundabout. So basically if I join in the left lane I maneuvre in the left and join in the left and the converse is true for the right. I can't join in the right and just before exit straddle over into the left?
That is my view, yes - unless it was 100% safe to straddle over onto the left. But this would be very difficult to determine, blind side and awkward to look over left shoulder.
I can't say I am 100% familiar with that particular road but I have travelled around the area a fair bit and what struck me on every occasion is that everyone seems to be in a massive hurry, lack patience and are prone to cut you up as soon as look as you.
All drivers have to be prepared for anything especially the unexpected!!!


So what would a first timer to this round about do?
I feel im missing some theory.
#27
Right hand lane

When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.
When taking any intermediate exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

select the appropriate lane on approach to and on the roundabout
you should not normally need to signal on approach
stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout
signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.
When there are more than three lanes at the entrance to a roundabout, use the most appropriate lane on approach and through it.
#28
eslick
Right hand lane
When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.
When taking any intermediate exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
select the appropriate lane on approach to and on the roundabout
you should not normally need to signal on approach
stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout
signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.
When there are more than three lanes at the entrance to a roundabout, use the most appropriate lane on approach and through it.
but what's the definition of to the right? Anything to the right of "straight ahead"?.

In this roundabout, you can clearly use the left lane to get onto the left lane of the exit. How would I know this being new to the area?

my issue is, approaching this roundabout, what bit of information suggests that the left lane is also for going into the 2nd exit? Is it the A332, which suggests its a dual carrigeway thus the left and the right are available?
#29
I can't see the picture but have a similar sounding roundabout near me. the approach is dual carriageway. there are 5 exits, one is left single lane, one is straight ahead dual lane, 3rd to the right at 2oclock, dual, 4th is single lane at about 4 o'clock and 5th exit is coming back on yourself on opposite side of dual carriage. it seems the left lane is for left, straight and left lane of 3rd exit. right lane is straight over or one of other exits after.
this roundabout has many crashes as drivers in left lane go round to 3rd exit whilst those in right lane try to go straight over.
or in right lane they exit at 3rd junction but strangely they exit straight into the left lane, I always go into right and move over to left when clear.
some people just can't drive safely. focus on yourself and that you are doing everything possible to be vigilant and aware and driving with consideration and you should do alright.
#30
clock system is correct but need must be paid to others and often timing can advoid accidents. so not use 1st 2nd 3rd exit advice above, it is out of date and incorrect as a second exit could be at 3 o'clock or a 3rd exit could be before 12 o'clock

Edited By: 999kernow on Sep 15, 2016 20:18: incomplete
#31
http://www.learners-guide.co.uk/lessons/roundabouts/
Two on, two off?.
I would use the right lane approaching and then also join the right lane, I would not cross to the left lane after exiting.
Even if someone was in the left lane, they would join the left lane after exiting which would not cause a problem (unless there's an immediate roundabout/junction etc)


Edited By: dai007uk on Sep 15, 2016 20:23
#32
dai007uk
http://www.learners-guide.co.uk/lessons/roundabouts/
Two on, two off?.
I would use the right lane approaching and then also join the right lane, I would not cross to the left lane after exiting.
Even if someone was in the left lane, they would join the left lane after exiting which would not cause a problem (unless there's an immediate roundabout/junction etc)

yeah thats exactly what i've been doing, but my old instructor says you should be in the left. So if I stay in the right lane and manuevre into the right lane, once I see it's clear on the left I only then move over?

Ideally I want to learn how to spot that the left lane and the right lane BOTH lead into that 2nd exit. Is it literally just a matter of trial or error or is there some sort of sign or information to indicate that left lane does infact take you to the 2nd exit?
#33
Roundabouts are the biggest grey area in the highway code. Even insurance companies, if 2 vehicles collide on a roundabout it always goes 50/50 i've been told (and learned from experience).
#34
ukting
eslick
Right hand lane
When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.
When taking any intermediate exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
select the appropriate lane on approach to and on the roundabout
you should not normally need to signal on approach
stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout
signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.
When there are more than three lanes at the entrance to a roundabout, use the most appropriate lane on approach and through it.
but what's the definition of to the right? Anything to the right of "straight ahead"?.
In this roundabout, you can clearly use the left lane to get onto the left lane of the exit. How would I know this being new to the area?
my issue is, approaching this roundabout, what bit of information suggests that the left lane is also for going into the 2nd exit? Is it the A332, which suggests its a dual carrigeway thus the left and the right are available?


If a roundabout has only two exits one left and one right you would treat the exit to the right in the same way as you would any other one with a straight over. Therefore right hand lane, however like in any motoring scenario use indicators and watch for other traffic.
#35
ukting
http://i66.tinypic.com/24bry39.png
That's the board, the 2nd exit to Windsor is way past the 12 o clock reference which is really putting my knowledge of roundabouts at un-ease!

If this is the sign on the approach, then right hand lane would be correct, as theres no road markings, then the sign must be adhered to.

BUT, once you pass the 1st exit and it became clear that the 2nd exit is 2 lanes, you should exit into the right hand lane, moving over to the left hand lane once its safe to do so.
#36
andynicol
ukting
http://i66.tinypic.com/24bry39.png
That's the board, the 2nd exit to Windsor is way past the 12 o clock reference which is really putting my knowledge of roundabouts at un-ease!
If this is the sign on the approach, then right hand lane would be correct, as theres no road markings, then the sign must be adhered to.
BUT, once you pass the 1st exit and it became clear that the 2nd exit is 2 lanes, you should exit into the right hand lane, moving over to the left hand lane once its safe to do so.
really would it not be ideal if there was some sign to let cars know that the left lane can direct you to the 2nd exit?

This roundabout is even more confusing when approaching it from the Windsor direction:

https:[email protected],-0.607179,3a,75y,63.6h,75.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sH3HXDUHohxwCSf6RVcaJSA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

There are 2 lanes and if one wants to go towards Eton/Datchet, intuition would suggest that the right hand lane is the correct lane.

But the left lane would be much better since it directs you straight to the 2nd exit, whereas the right lane involves having to cross over the left lane to get into the 2nd exit. Intact, making a U turn would be better in the left hand lane since you have move room to manoeuvre and you get put into the natural driving lane.

lol that's enough studying roundabouts for the day, but either my logic is flawed or the roundabout is poorly informed to road users.

Edited By: ukting on Sep 15, 2016 21:07
#37
Trouble is, from what I can remember, the highway code only seems to cover 4-exit roundabouts where exits are at 12.00, 3.00, 6.00 and 9.00. Any other setup which has no road markings on the lanes is pretty much a free for all.
#38
118luke
Roundabouts are the biggest grey area in the highway code. Even insurance companies, if 2 vehicles collide on a roundabout it always goes 50/50 i've been told (and learned from experience).
No I had one go in to me and was 100% liability accepted by their insurance that afternoon
#39
Easy.....Whichever lane has the shortest queue to enter roundabout....then just barge your way across the roundabout when you get near the exit...

Obviously that only works If you are driving an Audi though.
#40
http://imgur.com/a/rje3c

if your new and want to go to the 2nd exit on THIS! roundabout i suggest using the left hand lane (just imagine it as a straight road -RED in pic)
if your more confident and overtaking ust the right hand lane but exit in the Right lane! so you do not cut off people in the left.

THIS ROUNDABOUT approaching from bottom of pic: LEFT LANE:- 1st Exit & 2nd Exit {left lane}; RIGHT LANE:- 2nd Exit {right lane} & 3rd Exit &.......all the way round.

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