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Sainsbury's night shift on Christmas Day

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I asked my manager and was told that we never shut so apparently Christmas Day, the 25th is a normal working day. This can't be right as I know for a fact Sainsbury's is shut on the 25th. I would have…
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2m, 1w agoPosted 2 months, 1 week ago
I asked my manager and was told that we never shut so apparently Christmas Day, the 25th is a normal working day. This can't be right as I know for a fact Sainsbury's is shut on the 25th. I would have to pay for a taxi there and back as no buses on the 25th or 26th and I work both nights. I have no other means to get to work other than pay for a taxi, which isn't gonna be cheap on such days.

I would assume the replenishing for Boxing Day would be done on Christmas Eve.

Anyone who has direct experience... is it really a normal working day? I'd be really annoyed if I pay for a taxi and get there only to find out no one else is there. I read that they do a full lock down on the 25th so I don't see how it can be open really. Thanks
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2m, 1w agoPosted 2 months, 1 week ago
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Why haven't you asked your employer for clarity????

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#1
When I worked for Sainsbury's for 3 years I have never worked on a Christmas. I never booked it off either! However, I didn't work nights.
#2
i have never worked for sainsburys, but i guess Sainsbury should book u a taxi to go to work and to go back home, and sainbury should pay for it. (on Christmas the taxis will charge u double or treble the normal fare, so if sainsburys is not paying, then there is not point on going to work)

Edited By: amauk on Dec 23, 2016 12:03: .
#3
Why haven't you asked your employer for clarity????
#4
Christmas Day this year is not a Bank Holiday - it falls on Sunday.

A list of Bank Holidays for England and Wales is here.
https://www.gov.uk/bank-holidays

The best advice available to you is contained in this link.
Work > Rights at work > Working on bank holidays
#5
if you go to sainsburys website and put in your store on the store locator then click on more info on your store, you will see christmas opening hours. my local states open everyday over christmas except christmas day so if you work nights, they may need you to stock for boxing day morning.

taxi on christmas will be hard to book and very expensive. do you not know anyone that can give you a lift as a favour? you could try to cycle there?
#6
mutley1
if you go to sainsburys website and put in your store on the store locator then click on more info on your store, you will see christmas opening hours. my local states open everyday over christmas except christmas day so if you work nights, they may need you to stock for boxing day morning.
taxi on christmas will be hard to book and very expensive. do you not know anyone that can give you a lift as a favour? you could try to cycle there?
As I said that can be done on Christmas eve night since no one can shop on Christmas day and empty shelves.

No, no one I know and don't have a bike to bike there so only possibility is taxi.
#7
You must have a rota at work showing your hours surely?
Have you asked staff who have been there longer?
Does not matter when the store is open as that is nothing to do if you are stocking up.
While a taxi would cost you 3 times the normal rate I would assume if you are working you will be on at least double time if not treble?
#8
mr_geese
mutley1
if you go to sainsburys website and put in your store on the store locator then click on more info on your store, you will see christmas opening hours. my local states open everyday over christmas except christmas day so if you work nights, they may need you to stock for boxing day morning.
taxi on christmas will be hard to book and very expensive. do you not know anyone that can give you a lift as a favour? you could try to cycle there?
As I said that can be done on Christmas eve night since no one can shop on Christmas day and empty shelves.
No, no one I know and don't have a bike to bike there so only possibility is taxi.

When i worked in Retail we did all our Boxing day sale stuff on Christmas Eve after the shop had closed, bit pointless being in both that night and Christmas Day night as there is only so much to be done.
#9
Do the good old "Oh I had too much to drink on xmas and I feel too ill to work" and enjoy your evening.
#10
freejack2k
You must have a rota at work showing your hours surely?
Have you asked staff who have been there longer?
Does not matter when the store is open as that is nothing to do if you are stocking up.
While a taxi would cost you 3 times the normal rate I would assume if you are working you will be on at least double time if not treble?
Well I have asked another manager and will see the reply. It might be the other manager thought I meant Christmas eve night going into Christmas day which I am sure is a working night but I don't have to work it.
I know that they need restocking but shelves would be replenished the night before and my store is shut on Christmas day as stated also on Sainsbury's website in the opening hours so don't see the need to replenish shelves which can't be emptied.
Also those who would normally be working at the tills during the day won't surely work as no trading on Christmas day. It would seem unfair to me that they don't work and the night shift has to instead.

I think pay is the same as any other day.

Edited By: mr_geese on Dec 23, 2016 12:52
#11
The store my friend works at is always manned, so yes Christmas Eve and Christmas day nights, and Christmas day day too, huge amounts of repricing etc to get started on, or offloading shelves etc.
If you are working Sunday into Monday then you may get BH premium after midnight.
But clarity from your supervisor or HR would have been an idea before now
#12
Think of all the nurses, carers and emergency services out there I'm working Christmas Day and not spending it with my kids, taxi there and back I done this for the last 24yrs. Just saying !! Gd luck hope you get it off
#13
I used to work for Sainsbury on the night shift . We used to replenish the store Christmas eve . But that was in the afternoon early evening . No one ever came in Christmas day night . Boxing day night yes we came in
#14
jenkidd5
Think of all the nurses, carers and emergency services out there I'm working Christmas Day and not spending it with my kids, taxi there and back I done this for the last 24yrs. Just saying !! Gd luck hope you get it off
Of course but I am not doing any important vital stuff like them. I don't mind the fact it is Christmas day. It's just the getting to work part that's the problem for me. I don't want to pay exorbitant prices for taxis for 3 journeys in total and will have to add new year's day as well as it falls on my contracted day too and no bus either on that day.
It's a lot of my pay wasted on taxis. I guess if what Cozworth806 said is true then it looks like I'll have to fork out for the taxis as this one I work in is a huge store.
#15
mr_geese
mutley1
if you go to sainsburys website and put in your store on the store locator then click on more info on your store, you will see christmas opening hours. my local states open everyday over christmas except christmas day so if you work nights, they may need you to stock for boxing day morning.
taxi on christmas will be hard to book and very expensive. do you not know anyone that can give you a lift as a favour? you could try to cycle there?
As I said that can be done on Christmas eve night since no one can shop on Christmas day and empty shelves.
No, no one I know and don't have a bike to bike there so only possibility is taxi.

you could also ask colleagues what their experience were last year?
#16
In addition to the above, the First thing you should do is carefully check and read your contract of employment and the Colleague Handbook (staff handbook) and also at the same time ask for clarification from your line manager and/or personnel manager. Secondly, if you are a member of the union then speak to your union representative.

If your contract says you must work then you need to discuss any difficulties you might experience with your line manager/personnel manager (with your union rep. if you are a member) and see if they can help you.

Good luck.
#17
farmeruk1
Never seen a shift myself and i dont believe there is a shift but, why didnt you book it off in novemeber last year? clearly stated on holiday form xmas day and boxing were bank holidays and they would have given you holidays for them.
And you can take it from me you dont have to work. Go into work now and tell them you wont be in as its bank holiday and you asked for them off and you will take it unpaid if you have to. Otherwise phone in isck for 2 days (3 sickness in a rolling12 months =verbal warning at most for 6 months). Or dont ring in or answer the phone to sainsburys and just dont turn up for 2 days AWOL which will be a disaplianry for conduct and give you a verbal warning for 6 months.
I started working there in August. I'm just waiting for my manager's reply now to see what to do.
#18
If u have to work, I would put it on your local Facebook page and ask if anyone else is going your way and u could get a run, that's what I'm doing, there will prob be someone local going near or past that day that could give u a run, people are very thoughtful this time of year and any cars going your way will probably pick u up, gd luck
#19
jenkidd5
Think of all the nurses, carers and emergency services out there I'm working Christmas Day and not spending it with my kids, taxi there and back I done this for the last 24yrs. Just saying !! Gd luck hope you get it off
To be fair nurses , carers and emergency services are essential. Restocking tins on a shelf isn't . Shame on Sainsbury and shame on the folks who can't go 2 days without shopping .
#20
Is this post for real??
1. You haven't clarified whether you have actually asked the manager if you are working the 25th night.
2. Why would you ask people on here rather than your employer?
3. Why would you get in a taxi and go to work without clarifying if you're actually working? - 'I'd be really annoyed if I pay for a taxi and get there only to find out no one else is there.'
4. If you don't weigh in for work when you should have what will be your excuse? - "I asked on hukd and someone told me I didn't have to." What an idiotic post



Edited By: 2pacslilhomie on Dec 23, 2016 14:33
#21
Sorry I'm just seeing the OP's username and you are the same user was on complaining about your manager 'harassing' you to work overtime. I stick with my original comments in that post- there is an underlying issue here between you and the manager.
#22
2pacslilhomie
Is this post for real??
1. You haven't clarified whether you have actually asked the manager if you are working the 25th night.
2. Why would you ask people on here rather than your employer?
3. Why would you get in a taxi and go to work without clarifying if you're actually working? - 'I'd be really annoyed if I pay for a taxi and get there only to find out no one else is there.'
4. If you don't weigh in for work when you should have what will be your excuse? - "I asked on hukd and someone told me I didn't have to." What an idiotic post

Calm down.

I did say in my OP that I asked a manager and was told Christmas Day is a working day. I also said later that I have asked another manager and waiting for a reply.

I asked here because I wanted to have an idea while waiting for a reply. Is it prohinbited to ask questions now?
Obviously I would go in if I am told again it is a working night. I started thinking maybe the first managwer I asked that thought I meant the night between the 24th and 25th, rather than the one between the 25th and 26th and that's why I had the doubt.

No need to be rude. Merry Christmas



Edited By: mr_geese on Dec 23, 2016 14:41
#23
mr_geese
2pacslilhomie
Is this post for real??
1. You haven't clarified whether you have actually asked the manager if you are working the 25th night.
2. Why would you ask people on here rather than your employer?
3. Why would you get in a taxi and go to work without clarifying if you're actually working? - 'I'd be really annoyed if I pay for a taxi and get there only to find out no one else is there.'
4. If you don't weigh in for work when you should have what will be your excuse? - "I asked on hukd and someone told me I didn't have to." What an idiotic post
Calm down.
I did say in my OP that I asked a manager and was told Christmas Day is a working day. I also said later that I have asked another manager and waiting for a reply.
I asked here because I wanted to have an idea while waiting for a reply. Is it prohinbited to ask questions now?
Obviously I would go in if I am told again it is a working night. I started thinking maybe the first managwer I asked that thought I meant the night between the 24th and 25th, rather than the one between the 25th and 26th and that's why I had the doubt.
No need to be rude. Merry Christmas
Not meant to be rude or even personal. I just don't see the point in asking the question on here when the real answer lies with your employer. Merry Christmas to you too.:p
#24
If you are really stuck, I'll do the shift for you. Where is it?
#25
Im sure theres no shift, and if there was that would mean others are working. Knowing how friendly sainsburys managers are, im sure they would pick you up and drop you home.

And im suprised a manager told you it was a working day, havnt they seen the xmas advert.

Edited By: farmeruk1 on Dec 23, 2016 17:41: wit
#26
tardytortoise
Christmas Day this year is not a Bank Holiday - it falls on Sunday.
A list of Bank Holidays for England and Wales is here.https://www.gov.uk/bank-holidays
The best advice available to you is contained in this link.Work > Rights at work > Working on bank holidays

Bank holidays have nothing actually to do with it, Public Holidays do and even then it also depends upon your contractual shift pattern and contract. Christmas day and Boxing day are both Public Holidays if you work Sunday-Thursday your days would be Sunday and Monday. If you work Mon-Fri your days would be Mon and Tuesday. If you work Tuesday - Saturday (like myself) it would be Tuesday only and day in Lieu added for Monday as the public holiday falls on a non-working day but contract states you get all the Public Holidays off on top of my floating allowance. For night workers bridging days it falls on the day you started your shift not the day your shifts ends.

As my own example I'm Tuesday-Saturday and I'm working Tuesday and Wednesday but I get two days added to my floating holidays for that (no OT payments in contract).

You would need to check your contract as a lot of new contracts are now not paying anything extra for Public Holidays except normal pay and a day in lieu to take when you wish. Providing that is the way your holiday entitlement is worded in your contract. The Government made a bit of a mess when they said everyone would be entitled to a minimum I think it was off 20 days holidays as this included public holidays. So if for example in your contract you get 20 floating days that is the legal requirement and they do not have to pay you anything extra for working public holidays nor does it become an entitlement. If it says you get as example 16 floating days + 4 Public Holidays then you may get extra pay. (Our Public Holidays in N.Ireland are slightly different to Mainland UK)

Regarding the cost to get to work with taxi etc, nothing to do with any company as it is the employees responsibility to get to work.

Edited By: cecilmcroberts on Dec 23, 2016 18:22
#27
cecilmcroberts
tardytortoise
Christmas Day this year is not a Bank Holiday - it falls on Sunday.
A list of Bank Holidays for England and Wales is here.https://www.gov.uk/bank-holidays
The best advice available to you is contained in this link.Work > Rights at work > Working on bank holidays
Bank holidays have nothing actually to do with it, Public Holidays do and even then it also depends upon your contractual shift pattern and contract. Christmas day and Boxing day are both Public Holidays if you work Sunday-Thursday your days would be Sunday and Monday. If you work Mon-Fri your days would be Mon and Tuesday. If you work Tuesday - Saturday (like myself) it would be Tuesday only and day in Lieu added for Monday as the public holiday falls on a non-working day but contract states you get all the Public Holidays off on top of my floating allowance. For night workers bridging days it falls on the day you started your shift not the day your shifts ends.
As my own example I'm Tuesday-Saturday and I'm working Tuesday and Wednesday but I get two days added to my floating holidays for that (no OT payments in contract).
You would need to check your contract as a lot of new contracts are now not paying anything extra for Public Holidays except normal pay and a day in lieu to take when you wish. Providing that is the way your holiday entitlement is worded in your contract. The Government made a bit of a mess when they said everyone would be entitled to a minimum I think it was off 20 days holidays as this included public holidays. So if for example in your contract you get 20 floating days that is the legal requirement and they do not have to pay you anything extra for working public holidays nor does it become an entitlement. If it says you get as example 16 floating days + 4 Public Holidays then you may get extra pay. (Our Public Holidays in N.Ireland are slightly different to Mainland UK)
Regarding the cost to get to work with taxi etc, nothing to do with any company as it is the employees responsibility to get to work.
Yeah - I'm sure that is what the links provided say!
#28
the questions on here are absurd
#29
Not sure if i should get up off the couch and have a pee or not...what do you guys think (_;)
#30
mr_geese

I asked my manager and was told that we never shut so apparently Christmas Day, the 25th is a normal working day. This can't be right as I know for a fact Sainsbury's is shut on the 25th. I would have to pay for a taxi there and back as no buses on the 25th or 26th and I work both nights. I have no other means to get to work other than pay for a taxi, which isn't gonna be cheap on such days.
I would assume the replenishing for Boxing Day would be done on Christmas Eve.
Anyone who has direct experience... is it really a normal working day? I'd be really annoyed if I pay for a taxi and get there only to find out no one else is there. I read that they do a full lock down on the 25th so I don't see how it can be open really. Thanks

So for clarity ;

You have asked management if you are working 25th (christmas day).

They explained its business as usual.

Your normal shift is out of hours, so the shop opening times are irrelevant.

Your a tad annoyed as theres no public transport.

You've asked another member of management for clarification, and are awaiting there reply.





Edited By: andynicol on Dec 24, 2016 00:15
#31
benjammin316
the questions on here are absurd

+1

example
#32
Absurd for you. Just wanted to know if it's normal to do a night shift on Christmas day.
Manager confirmed we have to be in so I have my reply.
Thanks to those who replied with courtesy. To the others well... If you have to reply to mock people and their questions then don't bother. This is what I find absurd :P.
I didn't hurt anyone with my question.
Merry Christmas to everybody anyway
#33
mr_geese
Absurd for you. Just wanted to know if it's normal to do a night shift on Christmas day.
Manager confirmed we have to be in so I have my reply.
Thanks to those who replied with courtesy. To the others well... If you have to reply to mock people and their questions then don't bother. This is what I find absurd :P.
I didn't hurt anyone with my question.
Merry Christmas to everybody anyway

You were not mocked but really coming on a deals site instead of speaking with your managers! Need to grow a pair.

Edited By: adamsxi on Dec 24, 2016 08:14
#34
Bit late I know but I would say it depends on your contract and what was actually agreed when you started . I don't think anyone has an automatic right to Christmas day off thou you are entitled to a set amount of holidays each year. Many people work Christmas day thou admittedly not that many in retail, but it is becoming a greater trend many local garages in my area operate 24 hours over Christmas .
Unfortunately I think the greed of retail giants to grab more and more, and the trend for customers to go along with their wishes means this is going to become more and more common.
#35
goldy12
Bit late I know but I would say it depends on your contract and what was actually agreed when you started . I don't think anyone has an automatic right to Christmas day off thou you are entitled to a set amount of holidays each year. Many people work Christmas day thou admittedly not that many in retail, but it is becoming a greater trend many local garages in my area operate 24 hours over Christmas .
Unfortunately I think the greed of retail giants to grab more and more, and the trend for customers to go along with their wishes means this is going to become more and more common.

Incorrect.

Through default, Father Christmas has an automatic right to Christmas day off.
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTgY8dedjChdsONGYvXN-yxSl1W8SMyqJ8GaWrarQZEWjshIaJ6qw
#36
andynicol
goldy12
Bit late I know but I would say it depends on your contract and what was actually agreed when you started . I don't think anyone has an automatic right to Christmas day off thou you are entitled to a set amount of holidays each year. Many people work Christmas day thou admittedly not that many in retail, but it is becoming a greater trend many local garages in my area operate 24 hours over Christmas .
Unfortunately I think the greed of retail giants to grab more and more, and the trend for customers to go along with their wishes means this is going to become more and more common.
Incorrect.
Through default, Father Christmas has an automatic right to Christmas day off.https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTgY8dedjChdsONGYvXN-yxSl1W8SMyqJ8GaWrarQZEWjshIaJ6qw

Can't argue with that :D
Merry Christmas to everyone and to the man in the Red Suit, enjoy your well deserved day off tomorrow .
#37
Well? What was the outcome?
#38
barriey
Well? What was the outcome?
That I'm going to work in about an hour with a taxi. I had said it in a previous comment that manager confirmed we work on Christmas day too.

Edited By: mr_geese on Dec 25, 2016 20:20
#39
barriey
Well? What was the outcome?
Hes at work, he walked as this transport is available all year round.
#40
bigweapon07
barriey
Well? What was the outcome?
Hes at work, he walked as this transport is available all year round.

Try and walk an hour to work, work a ten hour shift then walk an hour back to get home with sore feet. If that was an option, don't you think I'd have considered it? Do you know I have plantar fasciitis? What a silly comment.

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