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Smart light switches..Who has any? Fancy moving more towards an automated home but limited as all my rooms are non standard light fittings or multiple gu10 led so smart bulbs not suitable. Smart… Read More
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4m, 3w agoPosted 4 months, 3 weeks ago
Smart light switches..Who has any?

Fancy moving more towards an automated home but limited as all my rooms are non standard light fittings or multiple gu10 led so smart bulbs not suitable.

Smart switches seem like the solution. Lightwave RF do some but only dimmers and dont work corretly with led as let a small amount of current pass to provide the circuit.
See they also do a smart relay I could install in ceilings where there is a neutral.

Other option which I dont fancy is pulling neutrals to switches.

Im sure some of you have been down this road. What did you go for?
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4m, 3w agoPosted 4 months, 3 weeks ago
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#1
I've got 2 smart lights, a bit of a novelty really, just meh
#2
Hi use a RAKO pill and you don't need a neutral in your light switch to dim your lights. Fantastic wireless controllers. https://www.rakocontrols.com
#3
mydigitalhome
Hi use a RAKO pill and you don't need a neutral in your light switch to dim your lights. Fantastic wireless controllers. https://www.rakocontrols.com
Looks good but quite expensive.

Have you used the dimmer modules that you push up into ceiling void?

What did you do with existing switches? If you leave them in place and they are switched off does it stop you remotely turning light on?

Cheers


Edit - Sorry just read your post again, ill get a look at the pill.

Edited By: callum84 on Jan 24, 2017 23:34
banned#4
callum84
mydigitalhome
Hi use a RAKO pill and you don't need a neutral in your light switch to dim your lights. Fantastic wireless controllers. https://www.rakocontrols.com
Looks good but quite expensive.
Have you used the dimmer modules that you push up into ceiling void?
What did you do with existing switches? If you leave them in place and they are switched off does it stop you remotely turning light on?
Cheers

The person you have quoted only joined today. Be very careful
#5
mydigitalhome
Hi use a RAKO pill and you don't need a neutral in your light switch to dim your lights. Fantastic wireless controllers. https://www.rakocontrols.com
Had a look at Rako pill and seems to have same limitatation as the lightwave RF.

Resistive loads only and minimum load of 60w.

No good for my LED setup as will flicker while off with the low current passthrough to make the circuit.

Would have to go for a ceiling module and wireless switch which comes in at £200 per room.

Cheers anyway
#6
YouDontWantToKnow
callum84
mydigitalhome
Hi use a RAKO pill and you don't need a neutral in your light switch to dim your lights. Fantastic wireless controllers. https://www.rakocontrols.com
Looks good but quite expensive.
Have you used the dimmer modules that you push up into ceiling void?
What did you do with existing switches? If you leave them in place and they are switched off does it stop you remotely turning light on?
Cheers
The person you have quoted only joined today. Be very careful
Cheers mate, hadnt noticed.
Glad someones on the ball.
#7
I use Zwave devices. Every room is started out from lighting, plugs, sensors etc. It's great
#8
aj84
I use Zwave devices. Every room is started out from lighting, plugs, sensors etc. It's great
Thats more my price range.
See they do a RGBW controller for led strip . Been looking for something like that for ages. 4 analouge inputs as well. Just realised how sad I've become that this excited me lol.

Ill take a good look but promising so far.

Cheers

Edit - Looks like the 2 wire dimmer switches are not suitable for non resistive loads as well. Switches require 3 wire.
Thats going to be the same with every product by the looks of it.
I can fit a ceiling module but will also need to remove switch and fit a wireless one so double the cost.

Im going to try pulling a neutral down to living room switch tomorrow as quite fancy the Zwave route.

Edited By: callum84 on Jan 25, 2017 00:14: .
#9
Wish I understood any of this!
Basically I'm not bothered about dimmers, just want to be able to turn on my led spot lights in living room or kitchen with Alexa each room has 6 x MR16 Bulbs and normal light switches.

I currently have 2 Hive smart bulbs in lamp fittings so this would be a good complimentary setup if anyone has any advice?
#10
bluecityste
Wish I understood any of this!
Basically I'm not bothered about dimmers, just want to be able to turn on my led spot lights in living room or kitchen with Alexa each room has 6 x MR16 Bulbs and normal light switches.
I currently have 2 Hive smart bulbs in lamp fittings so this would be a good complimentary setup if anyone has any advice?
The problem is that most houses in the UK only have 2 wires going to your switch, a live and switched live that goes out to the bulb.

The neutral is located in ceiling at light fitting.

Smart devices need live and neutral like any other ac device to operate.

Americans have got it great as their light switches have live and neutral present and companies like belkin have made wemo light switches for not much money at all.

Manufacturers have got around this for UK by making smart dimmers which will operate with just the 2 wires.
It lets a small amount of current pass at all times which passes through the bulb to neutral and creates a circuit.
This is great as the small amount of current wont light a normal lightbulb.
However when you have an LED bulb it requires much less current to operate and will flicker with the low current being passed through while off.
Manufacturers state a minimum load of 60w which can be 12 gu10 led bulbs. I certainly dont have that many.

Smart on/off switches would never work in a UK 2 wire setup as when the switch is in the off position you only have a live no path to neutral.

You can buy a ceiling module which is wired into light fitting (as neutral there) and pushed up into ceiling void.
This lets you control the light via wifi but wont work if the normal switch is off.

You can also buy a thing called a dummy load. Its basically a resistor which converts electricity into heat.
This adds extra wattage to your circuit possibly getting it above the 60w minimum threshold and allows it to work with 2 wire wifi dimmers.
Personally I think its quite wastefull as you get no extra light and adding extra wattage.

You seem to be looking for exact same as myself.

Ill update you on what I find.



Edited By: callum84 on Jan 25, 2017 01:39: .
#11
callum84
bluecityste
Wish I understood any of this!
Basically I'm not bothered about dimmers, just want to be able to turn on my led spot lights in living room or kitchen with Alexa each room has 6 x MR16 Bulbs and normal light switches.
I currently have 2 Hive smart bulbs in lamp fittings so this would be a good complimentary setup if anyone has any advice?
The problem is that most houses in the UK only have 2 wires going to your switch, a live and switched live that goes out to the bulb.

The neutral is located in ceiling at light fitting.

Smart devices need live and neutral like any other ac device to operate.

Americans have got it great as their light switches have live and neutral present and companies like belkin have made wemo light switches for not much money at all.

Manufacturers have got around this for UK by making smart dimmers which will operate with just the 2 wires.
It lets a small amount of current pass at all times which passes through the bulb to neutral and creates a circuit.
This is great as the small amount of current wont light a normal lightbulb.
However when you have an LED bulb it requires much less current to operate and will flicker with the low current being passed through while off.
Manufacturers state a minimum load of 60w which can be 12 gu10 led bulbs. I certainly dont have that many.

Smart on/off switches would never work in a UK 2 wire setup as when the switch is in the off position you only have a live no path to neutral.

You can buy a ceiling module which is wired into light fitting (as neutral there) and pushed up into ceiling void.
This lets you control the light via wifi but wont work if the normal switch is off.

You can also buy a thing called a dummy load. Its basically a resistor which converts electricity into heat.
This adds extra wattage to your circuit possibly getting it above the 60w minimum threshold and allows it to work with 2 wire wifi dimmers.
Personally I think its quite wastefull as you get no extra light and adding extra wattage.

You seem to be looking for exact same as myself.

Ill update you on what I find.




I have lightwaverf dimmers working fine with GU10 LED spots. Generally there are 6 x 5W bulbs to a gang and this doesn't give me any flicking at all. Dimming is smooth and they aren't special compatible bulbs.

I'm not sure it's as big of a problem as it's made out to be. If you get any issues you can always temporarily swap one of the bulbs out for a normal bulb to create the resistance in the circuit until you find some better ones.

I'm my daughter's bedroom I also installed a lightwaverf switch. This did misbehave with her bulbs (different type - COB), but again swapped them out with some different led's and not an issue.

Cost of lighting setup:
4 gang switch = £55 (ebay)
2 x 1 gang switch = £17ea (ebay)
3 x switched plug sockets = £16 (B&Q had an offer on their Seimens ones as they're the same product as Lightwaverf)
Echo Dot = £50
Lightwaverf hub = £65

Not bad for £210 in all really.
#12
shanecb
callum84
bluecityste
Wish I understood any of this!
Basically I'm not bothered about dimmers, just want to be able to turn on my led spot lights in living room or kitchen with Alexa each room has 6 x MR16 Bulbs and normal light switches.
I currently have 2 Hive smart bulbs in lamp fittings so this would be a good complimentary setup if anyone has any advice?
The problem is that most houses in the UK only have 2 wires going to your switch, a live and switched live that goes out to the bulb.
The neutral is located in ceiling at light fitting.
Smart devices need live and neutral like any other ac device to operate.
Americans have got it great as their light switches have live and neutral present and companies like belkin have made wemo light switches for not much money at all.
Manufacturers have got around this for UK by making smart dimmers which will operate with just the 2 wires.
It lets a small amount of current pass at all times which passes through the bulb to neutral and creates a circuit.
This is great as the small amount of current wont light a normal lightbulb.
However when you have an LED bulb it requires much less current to operate and will flicker with the low current being passed through while off.
Manufacturers state a minimum load of 60w which can be 12 gu10 led bulbs. I certainly dont have that many.
Smart on/off switches would never work in a UK 2 wire setup as when the switch is in the off position you only have a live no path to neutral.
You can buy a ceiling module which is wired into light fitting (as neutral there) and pushed up into ceiling void.
This lets you control the light via wifi but wont work if the normal switch is off.
You can also buy a thing called a dummy load. Its basically a resistor which converts electricity into heat.
This adds extra wattage to your circuit possibly getting it above the 60w minimum threshold and allows it to work with 2 wire wifi dimmers.
Personally I think its quite wastefull as you get no extra light and adding extra wattage.
You seem to be looking for exact same as myself.
Ill update you on what I find.
I have lightwaverf dimmers working fine with GU10 LED spots. Generally there are 6 x 5W bulbs to a gang and this doesn't give me any flicking at all. Dimming is smooth and they aren't special compatible bulbs.
I'm not sure it's as big of a problem as it's made out to be. If you get any issues you can always temporarily swap one of the bulbs out for a normal bulb to create the resistance in the circuit until you find some better ones.
I'm my daughter's bedroom I also installed a lightwaverf switch. This did misbehave with her bulbs (different type - COB), but again swapped them out with some different led's and not an issue.Cost of lighting setup:
4 gang switch = £55 (ebay)
2 x 1 gang switch = £17ea (ebay)
3 x switched plug sockets = £16 (B&Q had an offer on their Seimens ones as they're the same product as Lightwaverf)
Echo Dot = £50
Lightwaverf hub = £65
Not bad for £210 in all really.
How is it combined with alexa?

Whats a typical command?
#13
callum84
shanecb
callum84
bluecityste
Wish I understood any of this!
Basically I'm not bothered about dimmers, just want to be able to turn on my led spot lights in living room or kitchen with Alexa each room has 6 x MR16 Bulbs and normal light switches.
I currently have 2 Hive smart bulbs in lamp fittings so this would be a good complimentary setup if anyone has any advice?
The problem is that most houses in the UK only have 2 wires going to your switch, a live and switched live that goes out to the bulb.
The neutral is located in ceiling at light fitting.
Smart devices need live and neutral like any other ac device to operate.
Americans have got it great as their light switches have live and neutral present and companies like belkin have made wemo light switches for not much money at all.
Manufacturers have got around this for UK by making smart dimmers which will operate with just the 2 wires.
It lets a small amount of current pass at all times which passes through the bulb to neutral and creates a circuit.
This is great as the small amount of current wont light a normal lightbulb.
However when you have an LED bulb it requires much less current to operate and will flicker with the low current being passed through while off.
Manufacturers state a minimum load of 60w which can be 12 gu10 led bulbs. I certainly dont have that many.
Smart on/off switches would never work in a UK 2 wire setup as when the switch is in the off position you only have a live no path to neutral.
You can buy a ceiling module which is wired into light fitting (as neutral there) and pushed up into ceiling void.
This lets you control the light via wifi but wont work if the normal switch is off.
You can also buy a thing called a dummy load. Its basically a resistor which converts electricity into heat.
This adds extra wattage to your circuit possibly getting it above the 60w minimum threshold and allows it to work with 2 wire wifi dimmers.
Personally I think its quite wastefull as you get no extra light and adding extra wattage.
You seem to be looking for exact same as myself.
Ill update you on what I find.
I have lightwaverf dimmers working fine with GU10 LED spots. Generally there are 6 x 5W bulbs to a gang and this doesn't give me any flicking at all. Dimming is smooth and they aren't special compatible bulbs.
I'm not sure it's as big of a problem as it's made out to be. If you get any issues you can always temporarily swap one of the bulbs out for a normal bulb to create the resistance in the circuit until you find some better ones.
I'm my daughter's bedroom I also installed a lightwaverf switch. This did misbehave with her bulbs (different type - COB), but again swapped them out with some different led's and not an issue.Cost of lighting setup:
4 gang switch = £55 (ebay)
2 x 1 gang switch = £17ea (ebay)
3 x switched plug sockets = £16 (B&Q had an offer on their Seimens ones as they're the same product as Lightwaverf)
Echo Dot = £50
Lightwaverf hub = £65
Not bad for £210 in all really.
How is it combined with alexa?

Whats a typical command?


It's just a skill you download onto the Echo and the lightwaverf hub as mentioned.

A typical command would be:
Alexa, turn the lounge lights on
or
dim the kitchen lights to 20%

You can also group them so:
'Turn the downstairs lights off' turns my lounge, dining room, kitchen and table lights off as well as a plug in lamp I have.
#14
I just use Hue for all my lights, it wasn't cheap to set up, but it's much easier. Mot of the bulbs are the shades of white one, so it wasn't extortionate.
#15
Cakeboy79
I just use Hue for all my lights, it wasn't cheap to set up, but it's much easier. Mot of the bulbs are the shades of white one, so it wasn't extortionate.
Dont fancy spending that much with the limitation of not being able to turn on if switch is off.

Its £500 for just kitchen, Hall, landing and bathroom.
Rest of rooms dont have a standard fitting.

Looks good as well.

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