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Sony 65" 4K Going Back - Need A Replacement 'OLED' Super Quick? Suggestions? (Many Thanks HUKD!)

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Hi All, Bought the 65" Sony 4K on a Lightning Deal in July. Im on my second one, nothing but problems and even though EVERYONE on the Amazon Questions was saying it had HDR etc, it doesnt. Then the… Read More
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5m, 1w agoPosted 5 months, 1 week ago
Hi All,

Bought the 65" Sony 4K on a Lightning Deal in July. Im on my second one, nothing but problems and even though EVERYONE on the Amazon Questions was saying it had HDR etc, it doesnt. Then they flapped and said it was coming in the November Updated... It didnt.

Ive contacted Sony and they have categorically confirmed that my model will never be receiving the update.

So HDR... No 4K (whats the point!)

Therefore, ive got a sizeable refund coming from Amazon - and I now need to replace my TV.

Ive never had less than a 60" TV, so 55" might be a push - but if there is a deal of the century with all the mod cons and deliciousness - I *may* take a 55" TV... But ideally a 60-65.

Unfortunately, im one of these people who doesnt think 3D is dead - as I have tons of 3D BluRays and my entire household love them. So it needs to be 3D.

However, this current 65" barrel of nonsense has a curved screen - to which I found zero benefit - so it doesnt have to be curved.

(But a nice 'Edge' TV would be lovely - as they look amazing).

Can anyone help? Ive trawled the Amazon Black Friday TV thing - and theres a lot there, but looks like a lot to take in. My 4K naivity cost me dearly before, so would really love a hand with this.

I beleive the "OLED isnt good for Gaming" thing is now dead in the water - as theres tons of articles now saying the refresh/response rate is now so good - its better for gaming. (I do a lot of gaming).

Budget is <£1500.
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5m, 1w agoPosted 5 months, 1 week ago
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I have had the all the high end sets over the last 3 months
Lg65e6 oled £4500 stunning but way way overpriced
65ks9000 sammy stunning picture £2200 but faulty so returned
Panasonic 65dx902 £2300 fald again Great pic but ugly heavy Firefox os and fans but was faulty again so returned
Lg65b6 oled £2995 stunning again but overpriced returned
Sammy 65ks8000 £1800 suhd and this one is staying ,4k same as oled but colours just not as punchy as the oleds and blacks just not as black, apart from that not much difference the oled price just isn't worth it for the 65inchers ,if you get a good ks range bang for buck it can't be beaten imo

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#2
The Panasonic TX-65DX750B 65 Inch 3D SMART 4K Ultra HD HDR LED TV sounds like it could be a winner... I think? Do I?
#3

Thats not 4K im afraid.

Ive got the 4K Player - and tons of 4K discs - so im looking for that 'True' 4K experience.

No more of these "This TV doesnt support HDR" nonsense - or playing at 3160 instead of 3460 (or whatever the ratings are) :3
#4
Also, the Samsung 65" 3D 4K UE65HU8500 seems to be the right spec... But no real talk of HDR

Or to complete the set of manufacturers, the LG 65UF950V 65'' Ultra HD 4K Smart 3D TV With WebOS & Wifi & Freeview HD
#5
you will not get a oled on your budget
#6
welder299
you will not get a oled on your budget

The LG OLED55B6V 55 inch 4K Ultra HD OLED Flat Smart TV webOS (2016 Model) is £1,400 on Amazon.

The LG Electronics Uk Ltd. 65EC970V 65inch OLED 4K Ultra HD Curved Screen 3D SMART TV is £1,600 on Amazon

Theres OLEDs out there. I just need to know which ones are herrings.

Also, thats just an example of some genuine sellers on Amazon (not the hacked account ones). But they are also +/-£100 this price on eBay etc.
#7
Also, I may just help with my knowledge too - as is OLED 'owned' by LG and Panasonic?

Is ULED just the Samsung version of OLED?

All I want is true 4K like you see in the John Lewis Showroom - when its like looking out a window.

My current 4K set-up with the 4K TV thats going back didnt look any better than 1080p
#8
Most if not all 4K tv's do a bad job at up-scaling SD content.
#9
Silhouette
Also, the Samsung 65" 3D 4K UE65HU8500 seems to be the right spec... But no real talk of HDR

The 8500 is a US-only model. The UK gets the 9000 and 7500 in that range.

LG Display are the only company currently manufacturing OLED panels so LG has had the exclusive use of them for the past couple of years. We are starting to see some other manufacturers release screens using LG Display panels like Panasonic though.

The LG B6 doesn't support 3D. You need to be looking at the higher end models (C6/E6/G6) or any of last years models except the 910v and I'm not sure how well the 2015 models do HDR.

(also, you'd buy a high end TV from an amazon marketplace seller offering a £600 discount over everywhere else? I'd consider that highly risky)

4K and HDR are different things. For 4K to be beneficial you need to be sitting close or have a really big screen and be feeding it 4K content. Don't expect to get much 4K experience from sitting 3m away from a 55" screen.

HDR is a combination of local backlight control (so bits of the screen can get much brighter/darker) and a wider colour space. A decent implementation starts at about £1k so that's definitely within budget.

Edited By: EndlessWaves on Nov 15, 2016 12:02
#10
I got the Sony XD93, Does everything I want. I purchased for £1500. 4k 10bit HDR, 3D
#11
shauneco
Most if not all 4K tv's do a bad job at up-scaling SD content.

Not looking for SD, looking for "True 4K" (a term ive made up) through my 4K Player, playing 4K Discs.
#12
EndlessWaves
The LG B6 doesn't support 3D. You need to be looking at the higher end models (C6/E6/G6) or any of last years models except the 910v and I'm not sure how well the 2015 models do HDR.

Great reply - thank you!

Is the LG B6/C6/E6/G6 part of their OLED range? So would the "LG 65UF950V 65'' Ultra HD 4K Smart 3D TV" (which doesnt state OLED) be a poor experience/upgrade on my current 4K?

Im just looking to recreate the "Looking out the window" quality picture :)

(And enjoy my gaming)
#13
rbramhill1
I got the Sony XD93, Does everything I want. I purchased for £1500. 4k 10bit HDR, 3D

How many inches we talking? I can see a 49" version for cheap.
#14
Found a few examples on eBay - is this what you're thinking?

Sony Bravia KD-65XD9305 65" 4K Ultra HD HDR Smart Freeview 3D Android TV Grade A £1899
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sony-Bravia-KD-65XD9305-65-4K-Ultra-HD-HDR-Smart-Freeview-3D-Android-TV-Grade-A-/172398768426?hash=item2823c4712a:g:MIUAAOSw5cNYHRCr

SONY KD65XD9305BU Smart 3D 4k Ultra HD HDR 65" LED TV - BRAND NEW UNOPENED BOX £2050
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SONY-KD65XD9305BU-Smart-3D-4k-Ultra-HD-HDR-65-LED-TV-BRAND-NEW-UNOPENED-BOX-/172409240121?hash=item2824643a39:g:~xIAAOSwImRYKlYa

SONY BRAVIA KD55XD9305BU Smart 3D 4k Ultra HD HDR 55" LED TV Black £1599
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SONY-BRAVIA-KD55XD9305BU-Smart-3D-4k-Ultra-HD-HDR-55-LED-TV-Black-/112179172883?hash=item1a1e665613:g:dBUAAOSw44BYDe3s
#15
Ooo, the LG 65UH950V Super Ultra HD 4K 2016 sounds nice... Although its £1800 :|

I could probably find the extra pennies... If its ticking all the boxes.

Is it?! :|
#16
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/VWgAAOSwA3dYKaFS/s-l1600.jpg
#17
Silhouette
Ooo, the LG 65UH950V Super Ultra HD 4K 2016 sounds nice... Although its £1800 :|

£1400 for the 55"
#18
Silhouette
Ooo, the LG 65UH950V Super Ultra HD 4K 2016 sounds nice... Although its £1800 :|
I could probably find the extra pennies... If its ticking all the boxes.
Is it?! :|

Second your views about 3D. I think I saw the - LG 65UH950V Super Ultra HD 4K 2016 - model at Costco. Not sure of the exact price, but it might worth paying a bit extra for the 5 years guarantee and peace of mind
#19
ezepze
might worth paying a bit extra for the 5 years guarantee and peace of mind

I saw that for £200... Will probably add it - as 3 years was £150.
#20
Silhouette
rbramhill1
I got the Sony XD93, Does everything I want. I purchased for £1500. 4k 10bit HDR, 3D
How many inches we talking? I can see a 49" version for cheap.
I went for the 55 inch, maybe a bot more but you will get what you are looking for, sacrifice size for quality
#21
Silhouette
EndlessWaves
The LG B6 doesn't support 3D. You need to be looking at the higher end models (C6/E6/G6) or any of last years models except the 910v and I'm not sure how well the 2015 models do HDR.
Great reply - thank you!
Is the LG B6/C6/E6/G6 part of their OLED range? So would the "LG 65UF950V 65'' Ultra HD 4K Smart 3D TV" (which doesnt state OLED) be a poor experience/upgrade on my current 4K?

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/article.php?subaction=showfull&id=1427260185
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/article.php?subaction=showfull&id=1459247590

So the UF950V is LCD, the EF950V is OLED.

Generally in 2015 LG models an E after the size in the model code is OLED, U is UHD LCD and L is FHD LCD. All 2016 OLED models explicitly have OLED in their model code while U and L codes stay the same.

The US has slightly different model codes so check them as well if you're looking for reviews.
#22
Basically, in my experience, OLED > LCD every day of the week.
#23
Silhouette
welder299
you will not get a oled on your budget
The LG OLED55B6V 55 inch 4K Ultra HD OLED Flat Smart TV webOS (2016 Model) is £1,400 on Amazon.

The LG Electronics Uk Ltd. 65EC970V 65inch OLED 4K Ultra HD Curved Screen 3D SMART TV is £1,600 on Amazon

Theres OLEDs out there. I just need to know which ones are herrings.

Also, thats just an example of some genuine sellers on Amazon (not the hacked account ones). But they are also +/-£100 this price on eBay etc.
No idea where you saw the B6 for that money.
#24
Silhouette
welder299
you will not get a oled on your budget

The LG OLED55B6V 55 inch 4K Ultra HD OLED Flat Smart TV webOS (2016 Model) is £1,400 on Amazon.

The LG Electronics Uk Ltd. 65EC970V 65inch OLED 4K Ultra HD Curved Screen 3D SMART TV is £1,600 on Amazon

Theres OLEDs out there. I just need to know which ones are herrings.

Also, thats just an example of some genuine sellers on Amazon (not the hacked account ones). But they are also +/-£100 this price on eBay etc.


Do you have a link for the £1400 oled?
Cheers
#25
It was Amazon, but on closer inspection it looks like one of those fake sellers.
#26
When is *actual* Black Friday?
#27
EndlessWaves
So the UF950V is LCD, the EF950V is OLED.


rbramhill1
I went for the 55 inch, maybe a bot more but you will get what you are looking for, sacrifice size for quality

moob
Basically, in my experience, OLED > LCD every day of the week.

So, as this is a massive purchase to get wrong - here is the final shortlist... What are the obvious pros and cons that im not seeing?

(All help would be truly appreciated!)

LG 55EF950V 55 inch SMART 4K ULTRA HD 3D OLED TV Built in Freeview HD WiFi (Refurb £1350 eBay)
LG 55UH950V 55 inch Super Ultra HD 4K Smart TV webOS (2016 Model) - Silver (New £1425 Amazon) UH? :(
LG 55EG960V OLED 4K ULTRA HD CURVED 3D SMART T.V (Used £1400 Amazon)
Sony Bravia KD-65XD9305 65" 4K Ultra HD HDR Smart Freeview 3D Android TV Grade A (Refurb £1900 eBay)
LG 65UH950V 65" HDR Super Ultra HD TV with Dolby Vision (New £2000 eBay)
LG 55UH770V 55 inch Super Ultra HD 4K Smart TV webOS 2016 (New £849 Amazon)
LG OLED55C6V Smart 3D 4k Ultra HD HDR 55" Curved OLED TV (New £2000 eBay)
LG OLED55B6V SMART ULTRA HD 4K HDR OLED TV VOICE CONTROL (New £1800 eBay)

Havent checked which ones are 3D though... So that may have a deciding vote.

I think, im happy to settle for a 55 if need be. The £500+ jump back to 65 (and no more 60s) seems a bit big to swallow.
#28
Should I ignore all of the 'UH' models?

Edited By: Silhouette on Nov 17, 2016 10:31
#29
Samsung do UHD and SUHD, is SUHD their attempt at LGs 4K vs LG OLED?

Seen the;
Samsung UE60KS7000 SUHD HDR 1,000 4K Ultra HD Quantum Dot Smart TV, 60” with Freeview HD/Freesat HD, Playstation Now & Branch Feet Design, UHD Premium

For £1400 and its got some great reviews.

Think the 'winner' so far is LG 55EG960V OLED/£1400... Id love to go for the B6 as it looks lovely too, but £1900-£2000 Eeek!
#30
LG's LCD models have a poor local dimming implementation so if HDR is important I'd stick to LG's OLEDs and other brands for LCD models. Sony's XD93 and above, Philips 7601 and above, Panasonic DX-902 and Samsung's KS series.

Actually looking at your other requirements you can ignore Samsung and Philips as they don't support 3D, neither does LG's B6.

The DX-902 is definitely in budget brand new at 58" so that's worth adding to the shortlist. Sony's flagship ZD9 meets your requirements but it starts at 65" so it's probably too expensive.

EDIT: FWIW SUHD is Samsung's full HDR implementation, it's not a new screen type like OLED.

Edited By: EndlessWaves on Nov 17, 2016 11:19
#31
Id be flexible on 3D I think, as I always insist - as I have so many, but rarely crack them out!

So ill discount SUHD if its just a HDR thing...

So for £1400 and apparently an OLED, the LG 55EG960V seems to tick all the boxes? Or have I missed something :|

Thanks for the response. Clarity and expertise on this matter is such a rarity - but priceless

...Well, you can put a price on it - It would be the amount wasted on another 'fake' 4K TV.
#32
Silhouette
Samsung do UHD and SUHD, is SUHD their attempt at LGs 4K vs LG OLED?
Seen the;
Samsung UE60KS7000 SUHD HDR 1,000 4K Ultra HD Quantum Dot Smart TV, 60” with Freeview HD/Freesat HD, Playstation Now & Branch Feet Design, UHD Premium
For £1400 and its got some great reviews.
Think the 'winner' so far is LG 55EG960V OLED/£1400... Id love to go for the B6 as it looks lovely too, but £1900-£2000 Eeek!
They all use different confusing terminologies to define their tech - the tech between OLED and LCD is very different - you need to decide which you prefer first - having seen and owned both - OLED wins hands down - although I'm not a gamer which I believe is an issue with input lag from some hardcore gamers.

If you want the OLED, the 960V is a good bet - the B6 is better with no 3D. The 960V however, I don't think is properly 4K HDR compliant.

You have some dilemmas to address - and I'd personally look further into warranties for a TV of this cost, which I don't think you've focused on.

Personally, I'm looking at another OLED panel in the future - but have settled for a decent Sony 4K LCD for £600 which will do as a temp' set until OLED comes down a bit more.
#33
Ooo, why is the 960V not properly compliant? I read an article about the criteria to be considered "4K" is quite easy and "proper" 4K is next level.

The boat I'm currently in with my Sony "4K".

Ive done my research on the LG site and they state the 960V is "OLED Ultra 4K"

Which is how they describe the £4,000+ sets too... Confused!
#34
I have had the all the high end sets over the last 3 months
Lg65e6 oled £4500 stunning but way way overpriced
65ks9000 sammy stunning picture £2200 but faulty so returned
Panasonic 65dx902 £2300 fald again Great pic but ugly heavy Firefox os and fans but was faulty again so returned
Lg65b6 oled £2995 stunning again but overpriced returned
Sammy 65ks8000 £1800 suhd and this one is staying ,4k same as oled but colours just not as punchy as the oleds and blacks just not as black, apart from that not much difference the oled price just isn't worth it for the 65inchers ,if you get a good ks range bang for buck it can't be beaten imo
#35
4K is more or less 4K. You can argue that RGBW screens shouldn't qualify but detail-wise it doesn't make a difference for the typical 55" at 3m setup. Is RGBW what you meant by your current screen being fake 4K?

It's the HDR bit where there's a huge range of differences between TVs that claim HDR support. From a full implementation to nothing more than a slightly expanded colour space.

Last years LG TVs like the 960v have a lower brightness range so when a torch comes on screen in a dark cave it's not going to be as bright. I'm guessing that's what moob means by not properly compliant as the OLED version of the standard suggests peak brightness of 540cd/m², conveniently similar to this years models.

Ultimately the aim seems to be to get peak sustained brightness up to 4000cd/m² so I wouldn't worry too much about that 540cd/m² figure. Being better might be significant but I suspect that particular threshold won't be.

Provided they can bring local dimming to mainstream TV prices then I'd bet on HDR being a far bigger thing than 4K, it's got the potential to have a much bigger impact on picture quality.
#36
the porter
Sammy 65ks8000 £1800 suhd and this one is staying

Is that HDR and everything? The TV im returning is the Sony 65S8005C because it doesnt have any HDR.


EndlessWaves
Is RGBW what you meant by your current screen being fake 4K?

Apologies, "Fake 4K" is how I refer to my current TV (mentioned above). When I plug all my 4K sources in - it says "No HDR detected" or something like that, so although the output is set to 2160p, I dont notice much difference.

So the caveat for next purchase is "Must be HDR". Like every guy on earth, I want the best TV for the cheapest money.

Ill research the 65KS8000, as I reckon going from 65 to 55 im going to notice it (even though I didnt notice the jump from 60 to 65).

The 960V is still a contender as that is thus far the 'Budget Winner'. (Although looks wise, its winning with its 'floating' design)

But that B6 really does look pretty and ticks all the "awesome picture" boxes, but will cost me 3D and a further £400-500.
#37
As they're similiar money...

Samsung UE65KS8000 Smart 4k Ultra HD HDR 65" LED TV
or
LG OLED55B6V SMART ULTRA HD 4K HDR OLED

Quantum Dot vs OLED...

Or is the 960V for £400-500 close enough to be considered a player in the game :)
#38
Silhouette
Samsung UE65KS8000 Smart 4k Ultra HD HDR 65" LED TV
or
LG OLED55B6V SMART ULTRA HD 4K HDR OLED

Ouch!
https://www.avforums.com/threads/samsung-k8000-vs-lg-b6.2044310/
#39
Silhouette
the porter
Sammy 65ks8000 £1800 suhd and this one is staying
Is that HDR and everything? The TV im returning is the Sony 65S8005C because it doesnt have any HDR.
EndlessWaves
Is RGBW what you meant by your current screen being fake 4K?
Apologies, "Fake 4K" is how I refer to my current TV (mentioned above). When I plug all my 4K sources in - it says "No HDR detected" or something like that, so although the output is set to 2160p, I dont notice much difference.

What sort of distance are you sat from the TV? You need to be sat at around 2m/10ft or less to see benefits from 4k (HDR is seen at any distance). You're never going to get the showroom wow factor in terms of detail outside of showroom viewing distances.

Also, what are you sources? Not every 4K HDR TV will support every source, some can't play HDR videos from a USB drive for example.

What was the objection to the Panasonic DX-902B? It seems like it ticks almost all the boxes. 58", 3D, Good HDR, good Smart TV and the ex-display models are pretty close to your budget. Sevenoaks have one for £1650 for example:
http://www.sevenoakssoundandvision.co.uk/p-9908483-panasonic-tx-58dx902-58-4k-uhd-lcd-tv.aspx

Silhouette
Silhouette
Samsung UE65KS8000 Smart 4k Ultra HD HDR 65" LED TV
or
LG OLED55B6V SMART ULTRA HD 4K HDR OLED
Ouch!https://www.avforums.com/threads/samsung-k8000-vs-lg-b6.2044310/

Which bit? The Smart TV Stuff? There seems to be arguments either way, a lot of people rate LG's WebOS highly and Samsung still haven't got All4/Channel5/UKTV Play on this years SmartTV platform. Try and have a play with them yourself and see what suits.
#40
The sammy is HDR all singing all dancing but HDR to me is neither here nor there I just don't get it lol

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