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9y, 6m agoPosted 9 years, 6 months ago
Hi guys,

I'm looking for a Sony Bravia 46w2000 LCD TV. The cheapest i've found it is £1,765 at http://www.1staudiovisual.co.uk/catalog/sony-kdl46w2000-p-1547.html?ref=runner 1st Audio Visuals . I also found it for £1,769 at http://www.digitechelectronics.com/model.php?ID=2488 Digitech . I was hoping that you could help me choose which retailer is more reliable.

I have also looked at the smaller (40") version of this: the "40w2000" which I believe is more popular. I have found it for £1245 at http://www.digitaldirectuk.com/products_moreinfo3/index.asp?product_id=11811 Digital Direct UK . Is the extra 6 inches worth the extra £500?

If you could suggest any other TVs in this price range that are as good as these or tell me where I could get either of these for cheaper then I would also be very grateful.

Thanks!!
Andy
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9y, 6m agoPosted 9 years, 6 months ago
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#1
Are you set on the W series? Personally I'd go for the V series. The only difference is that the V series doesn't support 1080p, but you'll save yourself £££'s http://www.digitaldirect.co.uk/products_moreinfo3/index.asp?product_id=12670
#2
I've seen it for £1600 I'm sure - keep looking!
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#3
megalomaniac
Are you set on the W series? Personally I'd go for the V series. The only difference is that the V series doesn't support 1080p, but you'll save yourself £££'s http://www.digitaldirect.co.uk/products_moreinfo3/index.asp?product_id=12670

Thanks. Is the difference between 1080p and 1080i not a great difference because I read that 1080i is the same but it skips every other line of pixels?

fordy11
I've seen it for £1600 I'm sure - keep looking!
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Thanks for that! It looks like a great price.
#4
fordy11
I've seen it for £1600 I'm sure - keep looking!
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Please don't post eBay links in the forums. Thanks!
#5
Andytango
Thanks. Is the difference between 1080p and 1080i not a great difference because I read that 1080i is the same but it skips every other line of pixels?


See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080i and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080p for more than you'll ever need to know about 1080i and 1080p.

Long story short you'll probably never notice the difference visually. Unless you have or plan to get a PS3 or Blu-ray player soon the TV may never even be exposed to 1080p anyway as it will be years (if ever) before 1080p is broadcast, Sky HD for example currently broadcast 1080i or 720p and have no plans to change that.
#6
I dont know about a sony but i found a great deal on a samsung its 50" and £999.99

http://www.directtvs.co.uk/Samsung_50_inch_HD_Ready_LCD_TV_with_a_Universal_Wall_Mount_BUN%2FPS50Q7H%2FXEU%2F262/version.asp
#7
@rayman

Hi, is this an unreliable merchant?

@megalomaniac

Thanks! I was thinking of getting an xbox360 and an hddvd player to go with it which I belive is capable of outputting 1080p.

@micoo

Thanks, that looks awesome... would the difference between 1080 and 720 be very noticable on a 50" screen though? I will be sitting 6 feet back from the tv. Is this a better tv than the sony v series one?

Edit: Also, do 720p tvs display standard definition sources better than 1080p?
#8
have you got a quite from your "local" john lewis store - even though not displayed in store they can get them in AND you get the 5 year warranty!
#9
YES there is a huge difference between 6",enough said get the biggest you can afford.like micco said you can get alot of good deals froms brands like pannasonic,LG,samsung.
#10
I'd stick with the Sony personally, search for some reviews. I think it was What Hi-Fi? that said the new Bravia engine TV's are the best LCD's you can buy at the moment.

While the 360 technically could do 1080p, it only kinda does (this is where M$ are a bit careful/sneaky with how they word things). There's no HDMI port and wont be until the new Elite version is released (which comes with in built HD-DVD anyway). That means at the moment if you want 1080p then you have to buy a VGA cable to connect with (the component cables you get with it wont cut the mustard as there are limits place on what can be up-scaled though this connection).......and that connection isn't HDCP compliant so you'll probably never actually get 1080p anyway (TV's tend to downscale stuff that doesn't come through a HDCP compliant connection). Apart from the fact that 1080i is the native resolution of HD-DVD anyway and no 360 games have been released in 1080p yet. So if you want 1080p you'll have to get a PS3 or Blu-ray player.

Standard def looks a bit rubbish on any HD-TV to be honest.....you will probably be disappointed in the picture unless you have some nice HD content to go with it.

Hope that helps.
#11
Thanks a lot people!

@megalomaniac:
Ok so I should be looking at a 720p Bravia then? I'm not planning on getting a PS3 or Blu-ray player atm.

@Jim4579:
I have saved for a while for this TV so I can afford about £1700 which I hope is enough to get me a good sized 720p TV. :thumbsup:

@Packard:
Thank you. I'll definitely be heading down there before I buy anything.

So, at the moment I'm looking at a 46v2500. Any other suggestions?

Thanks
#12
andy have a look at the panasonic range at richer sounds very cheap shop,iv got the 50" version and i LOVVEEE it,i have it hookes up to my computer aswell lol. You could

heres my Plasma,its in your budget aswell

http://www.richersounds.com/showproduct.php?cda=showproduct&pid=PANA-TH50PX60CAB
#13
We got a 37" Panasonic and it rocks! Bargin at under £600
#14
Ok, so now for me it's between:

* The Sony 46V2500 - £1294
* The Panasonic TH-50PX70 - £1150
* The Pioneer PDP-507XD - £1567.49
#15
so who is the best in tvs?

is it samsung panasonic lg pioneer or sony?
#16
the best are

pioneer
panasonic
LG or NEC
samsung

the best on your list andy is the pionner
but the panasonic is a good deal,just make sure you like the colour and stand,go down to comet or currys and view them.
#17
so are these the top 5?
#18
some people will obviously disagree, but i spent about 4 months preparing for my plasma,and researching. go into a few shops and ask them,any of them with a bit knowledge will agree.
#19
jim4571
the best are

pioneer
panasonic
LG or NEC
samsung

the best on your list andy is the pionner
but the panasonic is a good deal,just make sure you like the colour and stand,go down to comet or currys and view them.


Thanks! That really helps. I plan to wall mount it. Do i need to buy speakers as well if I buy the Pioneer? The Pioneer is a fair bit more expensive (+£400) than the panasonic so if there isn't much in it then I think I would rather go for the cheaper.

I will take your advice though and see for myself soon.
#20
jim4571
the best are

pioneer
panasonic
LG or NEC
samsung

the best on your list andy is the pionner
but the panasonic is a good deal,just make sure you like the colour and stand,go down to comet or currys and view them.


Not true, as of the new Bravia range Sony should top that list. Personally I'd put Panasonic above pioneer at the mo too on balance of price vs quality.

Samsung are an excellent blend of value / quality too if you want to save a few £.

Note this is for LCD TV's not Plasma, Plasma is a whole different story.

If you go into a store to view them then make sure they have proper hi-def input for a real comparison. Very rarely do the idiots connect/tune the things properly (I used to work for Dixons Group so I'm allowed to insult them :thumbsup: ). It's also worth asking to see standard def input to see how well they handle that.
#21
Oh and for me Plasma Vs LCD, LCD wins everytime for me.

LCD is more energy efficient, LCD is less susceptible to screen burn, LCD's tend to be more reliable (obviously this also depends on the quality of the TV in the first place etc.). LCD's are also better for hooking up to your computer (if you feel so inclined).

Plasma is better for watching sports however, it handles rapid motion better (although this is something vastly improved on the newer LCD's).

Hope that helps.
#22
megalomaniac
Not true, as of the new Bravia range Sony should top that list. Personally I'd put Panasonic above pioneer at the mo too on balance of price vs quality.

Samsung are an excellent blend of value / quality too if you want to save a few £.

Note this is for LCD TV's not Plasma, Plasma is a whole different story.

If you go into a store to view them then make sure they have proper hi-def input for a real comparison. Very rarely do the idiots connect/tune the things properly (I used to work for Dixons Group so I'm allowed to insult them :thumbsup: ). It's also worth asking to see standard def input to see how well they handle that.


i agree panasonic is alot better for value. i wasnt aware that he wanted LCD. I didnt include sony in the list because i thought he wanted a plasma.

Andy best advice,do some research and spend some time in the shops. This is one of them things that pays off if you spend some time on it..

Good point,when i was shopping for my plasma,alot of the tv wasnt even displaying hi def content,so you might see a TV that is rated amazing and then see it in comet or dixons not displaying Hi def and miss judge it.

Do you definately want a LCD over PLASMA,why is this. Obviuosly peole prefer each other the other,but i wouldnt just choose one of them by going off another persons word.

Like i said get to the shops and look at all the different shops and spend a day in,i even brought a little book,to note in.:thumbsup: sad i know but i dont regret it for a second now.
#23
jim4571
i agree panasonic is alot better for value.


Very pretty TV's too! :thumbsup:

jim4571
i wasnt aware that he wanted LCD. I didnt include sony in the list because i thought he wanted a plasma.


*Cough* first post *cough* :giggle: Although I don't think he actually specified no plasma suggestions :). I was just pointing out they're entirely different beasts and who makes good plasma's isn't necessarily who makes good LCD's

jim4571

Andy best advice,do some research and spend some time in the shops. This is one of them things that pays off if you spend some time on it..


Sound advice!

jim4571

Good point,when i was shopping for my plasma,alot of the tv wasnt even displaying hi def content,so you might see a TV that is rated amazing and then see it in comet or dixons not displaying Hi def and miss judge it.


Yeah it's definitely worth checking multiple stores, or going to a specialist to make sure they're set up properly.

jim4571

Do you definately want a LCD over PLASMA,why is this. Obviuosly peole prefer each other the other,but i wouldnt just choose one of them by going off another persons word.


It's not a case of preferring one over the other, they have different benefits / drawbacks. It's a case of comparing the facts about the two and deciding which is best for you personally.

[LIST]
[*]Technically Plasma's have much higher brightness and contrast levels, however in the real world because of the reflective coatings plasma screens need you wont notice much if any difference. - fact
[*]Plasma has a better viewing angle. The new Bravia's are 170 degrees (edit: the V series actually has 178 degrees) for example, vs the 180 degrees of the Pioneer. Although quite what you'd expect to be able to watch at those angles is beyond me :giggle: (Viewing angle is directly related to contrast ratio, hence why Plasmas tend to be better for this). - fact.
[*]Plasma's have tended to have better response times, hence being better for sports. LCD's are getting better at this, but plasma still has the edge - fact.
[*]Plasma's suffer from screen burn, LCD's do not. Although Plasmas are getting better for this. - fact
[*]Plasma's colour reproduction (well black levels) are slightly better. - fact
[*]LCD's tend to be lighter than Plasma, and are therefore better for wall mounting. This is a side effect of the technology used, which is why it's used for laptops. - fact
[*]Plasma's are much more susceptible to breaking in transit, again a side effect of the technology. LCD's much hardier, hence being used for laptops. - fact
[*]LCD screens can be a lot thinner than Plasma, again this is an advantage of the LCD technology. - fact.
[*]LCD screens are more energy efficient. This can equate to well over 100w difference in extreme cases and around 30% more generally. - fact
[*]LCD tends to have a higher native resolution. - fact
[*]LCD tends to be more reliable and has a much longer maximum life expectancy. Around 30,000 hours for plasma compared to around 60,000 for LCD. Don't trust manufacturers that state a max life of 60,000 hours for Plasma TV's, this is ONLY the mathematical maximum life expectancy of the green phosphors they've recently started to use and doesn't take into account any other factors. The figure for LCD's on the other hand is based on years of hard evidence and in actuality is probably much longer for the latest low power lines - fact
[*]Both fade over time, they'll lose brightness and contrast just like a CRT would. However the back light of the LCD's is replaceable, with a Plasma you'd need a new TV. Although by that point you'd probably be ready for a new fangled holographic one anyway - fact, LOL.
[/LIST]

A lot depends on the particular TV and on the screen size you're after.
[LIST]
[*]< 40" LCD all the way, hence why they don't tend to make plasma in the smaller sizes.
[*]40-50 then LCD edges it for me on the power consumption alone, but if you're big a sports fan then plasma might edge it for you.
[*]If you're going > 50" then plasma wins out over LCD, which is why they don't tend to make LCD's that big as the quality of LCD tends to suffer at the higher sizes.
[/LIST]

And remember bigger doesn't always mean better, a 32" 720p TV will look a lot sharper than a 40" 720p TV as the same resolution is stretched out over a bigger area.

Also worth noting, the higher the contrast you run the TV at the shorter it's life will be.

Cheers
#24
megalomaniac
Very pretty TV's too! :thumbsup:



*Cough* first post *cough* :giggle: Although I don't think he actually specified no plasma suggestions :). I was just pointing out they're entirely different beasts and who makes good plasma's isn't necessarily who makes good LCD's



Sound advice!



Yeah it's definitely worth checking multiple stores, or going to a specialist to make sure they're set up properly.



It's not a case of preferring one over the other, they have different benefits / drawbacks. It's a case of comparing the facts about the two and deciding which is best for you personally.

[LIST]
[*]Technically Plasma's have much higher brightness and contrast levels, however in the real world because of the reflective coatings plasma screens need you wont notice much if any difference. - fact
[*]Plasma has a better viewing angle. The new Bravia's are 170 degrees for example, vs the 180 degrees of the Pioneer. Although quite what you'd expect to be able to watch at those angles is beyond me :giggle: (Viewing angle is directly related to contrast ratio, hence why Plasmas tend to be better for this). - fact.
[*]Plasma's have tended to have better response times, hence being better for sports. LCD's are getting better at this, but plasma still has the edge - fact.
[*]Plasma's suffer from screen burn, LCD's do not. Although Plasmas are getting better for this. - fact
[*]Plasma's colour reproduction (well black levels) are slightly better. - fact
[*]LCD's tend to be lighter than Plasma, and are therefore better for wall mounting. This is a side effect of the technology used, which is why it's used for laptops. - fact
[*]Plasma's are much more susceptible to breaking in transit, again a side effect of the technology. LCD's much hardier, hence being used for laptops. - fact
[*]LCD screens can be a lot thinner than Plasma, again this is an advantage of the LCD technology. - fact.
[*]LCD screens are more energy efficient. This can equate to well over 100w difference in extreme cases and around 30% more generally. - fact
[*]LCD tends to have a higher native resolution. - fact
[*]LCD tends to be more reliable and has a much longer maximum life expectancy. Around 30,000 hours for plasma compared to around 60,000 for LCD. Don't trust manufacturers that state a max life of 60,000 hours for Plasma TV's, this is ONLY the mathematical maximum life expectancy of the green phosphors they've recently started to use and doesn't take into account any other factors. The figure for LCD's on the other hand is based on years of hard evidence and in actuality is probably much longer for the latest low power lines - fact
[*]Both fade over time, they'll lose brightness and contrast just like a CRT would. However the back light of the LCD's is replaceable, with a Plasma you'd need a new TV. Although by that point you'd probably be ready for a new fangled holographic one anyway - fact, LOL.
[/LIST]

A lot depends on the particular TV and on the screen size you're after.
[LIST]
[*]< 40" LCD all the way, hence why they don't tend to make plasma in the smaller sizes.
[*]40-50 then LCD edges it for me on the power consumption alone, but if you're big a sports fan then plasma might edge it for you.
[*]If you're going > 50" then plasma wins out over LCD, which is why they don't tend to make LCD's that big as the quality of LCD tends to suffer at the higher sizes.
[/LIST]

And remember bigger doesn't always mean better, a 32" 720p TV will look a lot sharper than a 40" 720p TV as the same resolution is stretched out over a bigger area.

Also worth noting, the higher the contrast you run the TV at the shorter it's life will be.

Cheers


some good facts in there,what lcd have you got?

whatever you choose,just take your time
#25
Ahhh thank you so much!!! That really helps!

These are my plans for when I get to the shop:

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/5670/img6226lm1.jpg
#26
andy do you not prefer the panasonic th50px60 over the th50px70, make sure you like the colour of the stand. BTW,i have the px60 (silver one) and it looks really nice.

how are you positioning it on the wall,stand etc
#27
Imho at the moment I don't think the 1080p is worth the extra. From what you've said 1080i is the most you're likely to manage and the Sony and Pioneer are both 1080i capable, the Panasonic however is not although it is known for being a good downscaler.

While the Pioneer is technically a better TV than the Panasonic I personally don't think it's worth over £400 extra, but then it's not my money :thumbsup:.

I'd suggest studying the specs:

http://pioneer.co.uk/uk/products/62/63/413/PDP-507XD/index.html
http://panasonic.co.uk/plasma-tv/th50px70/index.htm
http://www.sony.co.uk/view/ShowProduct.action?product=KDL-46V2500&site=odw_en_GB&pageType=TechnicalSpecs&category=TVP+LCD+TV

and then looking up some online reviews as they'll tell you things you wouldn't necessarily think to look for, like if one doesn't have HDCP compliant connections for example, which is something to watch out for with TV's as no HDCP compatible connections = downscaleing of HD content.

I personally love the Sony's, but then they're all damn good TV's.
#28
Thank you very much for all your help!!

I spent the weekend looking at TVs and I've bought the Pioneer pdp-507xd from digital direct for about £1490 which I thought was a very reasonable price considering that currys were selling it for over £3000 in store. :-D

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