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Hi one and all. As stated above. I am offering advice to the best of my knowledge regarding electrical work. I don't want any compensation, I'm not self promoting. I don't want any work. I just off… Read More
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3m, 1w agoPosted 3 months, 1 week ago
Hi one and all.
As stated above. I am offering advice to the best of my knowledge regarding electrical work.
I don't want any compensation, I'm not self promoting. I don't want any work.
I just offer (limited) advice on electrical installations, inspection, testing and certification as a way if offering payback to the community for the stacks of advice I have received previously...

I'm a time served commercial/industrial spark and certified inspector and tester. However I'm neither infallible or all knowing..

I can't guarantee a rapid response but I will answer asap.
Regards...
Grass.
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3m, 1w agoPosted 3 months, 1 week ago
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Gollywood
Gollywood
Hi. I have 2 rooms where there aren't enough power points / sockets.
I've seen these converters from 2 to 3 sockets
Is it possible for a person of limited DIY knowhow 8) to attempt it?
Any idea Grass Snake?

I'm so sorry, I got caught up in the other thing with the dryer.
I haven't had any experience with these, but I would imagine they are pretty straight forward. I would think the loading (What you can take from each if the socket outlets) may be restricted. Should be ok though. Something to remember though these types of things usually use a surface box meaning the new socket will "stick out" instead if being flush.
Remember though....
PLEASE TURN OFF AT THE MAINS!!

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#1
That is nice of you thank you
#2
Thank you , very kind.
#3
Good call , you seem a decent guy, thank you.
#4
That's fantastic, GrassSnakeUK. Thank you. I'll pop you in the back of my mind for future DIY disaster aversions!
#5
Thanks. That's good of you.
#6
Here's one I posted on here before.

When we put the dryer on something after a while this trips the lights downstairs even-though they are on a different circuit. Dryer keeps going light and socket go out.

I'm going to get this fixed in a while but wondered what you thought ?
#7
I'm sorry, I don't quite understand.

Do the sockets and lights go off? If the sockets go off. How does the dryer keep going?
The lights being being fed from a different circuit to sockets is common. They the MCBS (or trips) may well be fed by a main RCD which would cut off the supply to both circuits.
#8
Dryers and washing machines, are causes of common "earth leakage faults" which would cause the main RCD to trip.
#9
subscribed :3
#10
GrassSnakeUK
I'm sorry, I don't quite understand.
Do the sockets and lights go off? If the sockets go off. How does the dryer keep going?
The lights being being fed from a different circuit to sockets is common. They the MCBS (or trips) may well be fed by a main RCD which would cut off the supply to both circuits.

We have duel board or whatever it's call it's got two main fuses.
One mains trips but the dryer is on the other. So lights and sockets upstairs work, the dryer is up there.
#11
If I'm understanding you correctly, as an example I will split it into circuits (hypothetically)
Main switch 1.
1 lights upstairs
2 sockets upstairs ( where drier is)
3 something else.. lol
Main switch 2
1 sockets downstairs
2 lights downstairs.

If the drier is upstairs and the downstairs lights go off, the fault on the circuit is something else. If the lights are going off downstairs the fault lies on that side.
#12
GrassSnakeUK
If I'm understanding you correctly, as an example I will split it into circuits (hypothetically)
Main switch 1.
1 lights upstairs
2 sockets upstairs ( where drier is)
3 something else.. lol
Main switch 2
1 sockets downstairs
2 lights downstairs.
If the drier is upstairs and the downstairs lights go off, the fault on the circuit is something else. If the lights are going off downstairs the fault lies on that side.

Yes that's logical but the trips only ever happens when the dryer is on. That's why I'm asking. It's very strange and happens day or night but always when the dryer is on.
#13
GrassSnakeUK
If I'm understanding you correctly, as an example I will split it into circuits (hypothetically)
Main switch 1.
1 lights upstairs
2 sockets upstairs ( where drier is)
3 something else.. lol
Main switch 2
1 sockets downstairs
2 lights downstairs.
If the drier is upstairs and the downstairs lights go off, the fault on the circuit is something else. If the lights are going off downstairs the fault lies on that side.

My guess would be somebody has made a spur off the downstairs lighting circuit and fitted a socket. This is what is causing the trip.
#14
GAVINLEWISHUKD
GrassSnakeUK
If I'm understanding you correctly, as an example I will split it into circuits (hypothetically)
Main switch 1.
1 lights upstairs
2 sockets upstairs ( where drier is)
3 something else.. lol
Main switch 2
1 sockets downstairs
2 lights downstairs.
If the drier is upstairs and the downstairs lights go off, the fault on the circuit is something else. If the lights are going off downstairs the fault lies on that side.
My guess would be somebody has made a spur off the downstairs lighting circuit and fitted a socket. This is what is causing the trip.

Dryer is def on the upstairs circuit.
#15
PulisOut
GAVINLEWISHUKD
GrassSnakeUK
If I'm understanding you correctly, as an example I will split it into circuits (hypothetically)
Main switch 1.
1 lights upstairs
2 sockets upstairs ( where drier is)
3 something else.. lol
Main switch 2
1 sockets downstairs
2 lights downstairs.
If the drier is upstairs and the downstairs lights go off, the fault on the circuit is something else. If the lights are going off downstairs the fault lies on that side.
My guess would be somebody has made a spur off the downstairs lighting circuit and fitted a socket. This is what is causing the trip.
Dryer is def on the upstairs circuit.

there must be some sort of connection between the two circuits for one to affect the other due to overload. perhaps someone ran a spur off somewhere as gavinlewishukd stated. not obvious to see that is.
#16
PulisOut
GAVINLEWISHUKD
GrassSnakeUK
If I'm understanding you correctly, as an example I will split it into circuits (hypothetically)
Main switch 1.
1 lights upstairs
2 sockets upstairs ( where drier is)
3 something else.. lol
Main switch 2
1 sockets downstairs
2 lights downstairs.
If the drier is upstairs and the downstairs lights go off, the fault on the circuit is something else. If the lights are going off downstairs the fault lies on that side.
My guess would be somebody has made a spur off the downstairs lighting circuit and fitted a socket. This is what is causing the trip.
Dryer is def on the upstairs circuit.

If you have isolated that at no point in the upstairs ring main there is any connection with the lighting circuit visually without doing some testing with a multimeter it will be difficult to find the issue. The other obvious place to look is the consumer unit.
#17
Spuring a 13a socket (probably with a 2kw or 8amp load) from a 6Amp lighting circuit isn't impossible but unlikely. Can you tell what exactly trips is it the main RCD (the one with the push to test button on it) or an individual MCB?
If it's the main RCD associated with the downstairs circuits then it's either a coincidence that the dryer is on or quite possibly, the dryer is leaking and it's dripping into a downstairs light?

Or.......
Has this socket been added recently, has it previously been used for something else?
#18
Thinking about it, how about the stairs light ? we have a switch both upstairs and down stairs. So would that be the connection?
#19
If there is water (or dampness) under the dryer and it's tracking to the stairs light or switch, then yes that could be it. The lighting can be wired from either the upstairs lighting or the downstairs lighting and just the switches linked between (known as 2 way lighting). It sounds likely, and my 1st choice would be to look at base of dryer, especially as the dryer keeps going and you lose your lighting.
#20
Is OPs dryer heavy enough to shake flooring beneath it ?
#21
kester76
Is OPs dryer heavy enough to shake flooring beneath it ?

Not really it's in a housing above the washing machine on the landing.
#22
GrassSnakeUK
If I'm understanding you correctly, as an example I will split it into circuits (hypothetically)
Main switch 1.
1 lights upstairs
2 sockets upstairs ( where drier is)
3 something else.. lol
Main switch 2
1 sockets downstairs
2 lights downstairs.
If the drier is upstairs and the downstairs lights go off, the fault on the circuit is something else. If the lights are going off downstairs the fault lies on that side.
Erm I would put upstairs lighting and downstair socket on 1 main switch.....just think what are the advantages doing it this way is.
#23
Nice one OP.
#24
Adam786123
GrassSnakeUK
If I'm understanding you correctly, as an example I will split it into circuits (hypothetically)
Main switch 1.
1 lights upstairs
2 sockets upstairs ( where drier is)
3 something else.. lol
Main switch 2
1 sockets downstairs
2 lights downstairs.
If the drier is upstairs and the downstairs lights go off, the fault on the circuit is something else. If the lights are going off downstairs the fault lies on that side.
Erm I would put upstairs lighting and downstair socket on 1 main switch.....just think what are the advantages doing it this way is.


Yes so would I, the advantages are separation of circuits for ease of use and maintainability as described in selection & erection (section 4 of the regs). However I haven't been asked how to do it, and i dont know how it has been done. Thats why i asked but it has been confirmed the downstairs circuit is the one that trips, that's why I asked how the circuits are split.I have been asked why the dryer may be causing a fault. Based in the info I have given my best guess.
#25
Hi. I have 2 rooms where there aren't enough power points / sockets.

I've seen these converters from 2 to 3 sockets

Is it possible for a person of limited DIY knowhow 8) to attempt it?
#26
PulisOut
kester76
Is OPs dryer heavy enough to shake flooring beneath it ?
Not really it's in a housing above the washing machine on the landing.
Maybe the washing machine is leaking but doesn't affect the lighting below until the drain cycle has finished and your washing is in the dryer, hence the dryer being a red herring
#27
As chocci said, the dryer could be a red herring... the washing machine could also be at fault... it does sound like something in that area. I'm assuming that the "fuse board" hasn't been changed recently...
All our answers are based on theory. More info the better really.

Edited By: GrassSnakeUK on Apr 12, 2017 08:35
#28
Different query, the USB incorporated sockets, is it true the USBs are always on whether something is plugged into it or not?

Great gesture by the way for the thread.
#29
EN1GMA
Different query, the USB incorporated sockets, is it true the USBs are always on whether something is plugged into it or not?
Great gesture by the way for the thread.

Yes but they aren't consuming any power unless something is plugged into them, Some have leds that remain lit constantly so will consume a tiny amount.
#30
+1 to that answer
#31
shauneco
EN1GMA
Different query, the USB incorporated sockets, is it true the USBs are always on whether something is plugged into it or not?
Great gesture by the way for the thread.
Yes but they aren't consuming any power unless something is plugged into them, Some have leds that remain lit constantly so will consume a tiny amount.
Right, OK. I read different from some posters on here in previous threads so good to get some more clarification.

What I need is similar thread on plumbing X)

Getting confused about this zoning business. Contacted evo home who stated that existing pipe work will do and pipe work does not to be rejigged to install a zoning system.
#32
There are some good replies on my other recent post regarding heating trouble Enigma.
#33
EN1GMA
shauneco
EN1GMA
Different query, the USB incorporated sockets, is it true the USBs are always on whether something is plugged into it or not?
Great gesture by the way for the thread.
Yes but they aren't consuming any power unless something is plugged into them, Some have leds that remain lit constantly so will consume a tiny amount.
Right, OK. I read different from some posters on here in previous threads so good to get some more clarification.
What I need is similar thread on plumbing X)
Getting confused about this zoning business. Contacted evo home who stated that existing pipe work will do and pipe work does not to be rejigged to install a zoning system.
Sorry can't help you with that lol
#34
If Evohome are talking about individual TRVs then I think there system can work without zoning.
#35
Hello

I have two wired smoke alarms that have their own switch on the switch board, so I can turn the electric of solely to the two smoke alarms without affecting anything else.

They are out of date and look very old.

Could you suggest how to update them ie replacing the unit with another hard wired smoke alarm that looks more modern/ cleaner etc or remove it completely and get a battery powered one?

http://i67.tinypic.com/2q394ef.jpg

Edited By: 1hotukdeals on Apr 12, 2017 13:43
#36
Hi there, domestic wiring isnt my area of expertise by any means but....
If I remember correctly. You should have a twin and earth to the 1st one (red and black or brown and blue with a bare copper) carrying the supply and a 3 core and earth between it and the 2nd smoke detector (Red, yellow and blue or Brown, black and grey with a bare copper) carrying the supply and a signal to trigger both detectors.
A straight swap should be simple enough.
Make a note of connections in both or better still take a picture and swap them like for like.
For an average Diy-er should be simple enough.... but PLEASE REMEMBER TO TURN OFF THE MAINS!!!
#37
GrassSnakeUK
Hi there, domestic wiring isnt my area of expertise by any means but....
If I remember correctly. You should have a twin and earth to the 1st one (red and black or brown and blue with a bare copper) carrying the supply and a 3 core and earth between it and the 2nd smoke detector (Red, yellow and blue or Brown, black and grey with a bare copper) carrying the supply and a signal to trigger both detectors.
A straight swap should be simple enough.
Make a note of connections in both or better still take a picture and swap them like for like.
For an average Diy-er should be simple enough.... but PLEASE REMEMBER TO TURN OFF THE MAINS!!!
great ill have a look at this thank you
#38
Gollywood
Hi. I have 2 rooms where there aren't enough power points / sockets.

I've seen these converters from 2 to 3 sockets

Is it possible for a person of limited DIY knowhow 8) to attempt it?


Any idea Grass Snake?
#39
Gollywood
Gollywood
Hi. I have 2 rooms where there aren't enough power points / sockets.
I've seen these converters from 2 to 3 sockets
Is it possible for a person of limited DIY knowhow 8) to attempt it?
Any idea Grass Snake?

I'm so sorry, I got caught up in the other thing with the dryer.
I haven't had any experience with these, but I would imagine they are pretty straight forward. I would think the loading (What you can take from each if the socket outlets) may be restricted. Should be ok though. Something to remember though these types of things usually use a surface box meaning the new socket will "stick out" instead if being flush.
Remember though....
PLEASE TURN OFF AT THE MAINS!!
#40
Thanks GS. They don't need to be flush...

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