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My dad recently seems to have developed a mental disorder but he believes he is completely fine. I have called my local GP for help but he refuses to go doctors and I have also tried the NHS 111 serv… Read More
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2y, 6m agoPosted 2 years, 6 months ago
My dad recently seems to have developed a mental disorder but he believes he is completely fine.
I have called my local GP for help but he refuses to go doctors and I have also tried the NHS 111 service but they said theyl need the patients agreement which iv no chance of getting. Is there any other way I can force him to go hospital?
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2y, 6m agoPosted 2 years, 6 months ago
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#1
How severe is the health issue? You can speak to his GP to see what course of action to take.

Edited By: borstal on Dec 05, 2014 08:18
#2
I know this sounds a little extreme but you could make the appoinment and tell your dad its for you, then ask your dad to come with you and turn the tables on him when you get there. hope you manage to sort things out. goodluck!
#3
Very severe, he has become very abusive and is a completely different person to what he was last week!
#4
That sounds great but we are not on speaking terms and he's only been doing what he wants, shouting if anyone says anything
#5
good job you are posting this on this forum there are lots of people with issues on here!
#6
Try social services. They may be able to assess his needs and they can advise you as well.
#7
UTI'S CAN CAUSE THIS AND WORSE!!!! SEE IF YOU CAN GET A URINE SAMPLE AND GET THE NURSE AT THE DOCTORS TO CHECK IT.
#8
Forget social services - your life will potentially be destroyed more with some cases of social services.

Has he any very close friends or another close relative (his age or older) that can "investigate" your concerns and potentially talk to your father. I'm not saying you are not trying your best but occasionally "the child" (son/daughter) will be seen as interfering or inexperienced etc (again I reiterate this is not a dig at you)

His GP will be your best point of call - if the GP knows your father well and is one of the "good caring" doctors in our society but you'll need to sit and talk to the GP in an appointment. If the Dr is as good as some they will understand your concerns and find a way of getting your father in for an appointment or actually doing a home visit. May I suggest that you stick to factual "evidence" to help you cause.

Hope things get sorted for you - I've seen/experienced what dementia can do and I've suffered at the hands of social services.
#9
Get an urgent home visit from the Doctor-hopefully he will see the change in personality and have good advice for what to do next. 3grandma3 is also right-try to get him to drink lots of cranberry juice.
#10
If it gets too serious you may have to Section him unfortunately:


Why may I be detained?

If you have, or are thought to have;

1. a mental illness which needs assessment or treatment which is

2. sufficiently serious that it is necessary for
a. your health or safety, or
b. for the protection of other people.

3. and you need to be in hospital to have the assessment or treatment. And

4. you are unable or unwilling to agree to admission.

If you are on a section 3, that is for treatment, then the treatment you need must be available at the hospital in which you’re detained.

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/healthadvice/problemsdisorders/beingsectionedengland.aspx

Hope everything works out for you whatever road you take.

Edited By: Likely2 on Dec 05, 2014 13:20
#11
keep a note of all the incidents and symptoms, has anything like this happened before, any friends or family members have any clue if anything has occurred to set this off. you might phone a helpline like SANE for advice.
#12
What are the symptoms?

Need a section 135 from a magistrate to forcibly carry out a mental health assessment. This would come from social services and GP. The GP must be made aware of the issue sufficiently to get a 135.

Alternatively, If you can get him outside and to the police, they can use a section 136 to force a mental healt assessment.

If he will let a psychiatrist inside then it would just just be a section 13 mental health assessment.

If the GP isnt worried enough to start the above then you could be overreacting.
#13
my mum and brother suffer from same thing so I have a lot of experience with this. it is very stressful to deal with for the rest of the family so I empathise with you op.

you should book appointment for him with gp and go there yourself if he won't come with you. explain your concern to gp who can refer him to the mental health team. they will come round to visit him.
#14
is this related to your other thread/enquiry about how to eavesdrop on phonecalls?
#15
jura1
is this related to your other thread/enquiry about how to eavesdrop on phonecalls?

Lol
#16
Surely your GP would do a home visit? if your dad is point blank refusing to go to the doctors, I'd suggest making an appointment with the doctor under your name and explain the situation, and if your dad is at risk of harming himself and others, I don't understand why they wouldn't come and help and at least assess the situation and help from there.
Seriously hope things get sorted for you and your family.
#17
try and record him on your phone covertly and show a doctor
#18
Give him a dose of night nurse and wheelchair him to the docs
#19
mutley1
my mum and brother suffer from same thing so I have a lot of experience with this. it is very stressful to deal with for the rest of the family so I empathise with you op.

you should book appointment for him with gp and go there yourself if he won't come with you. explain your concern to gp who can refer him to the mental health team. they will come round to visit him.

Sorry but how can you say they suffer the same thing when the OP hasnt obtained a diagnosis and has barely even specified the symptoms other than being abusive?!
#20
3grandma3
UTI'S CAN CAUSE THIS AND WORSE!!!! SEE IF YOU CAN GET A URINE SAMPLE AND GET THE NURSE AT THE DOCTORS TO CHECK IT.

UTI'S CAN CAUSE WHAT? Being abusive? So can alcohol, drugs, gambling, stress, berevement...
#21
It is true that a UTI can cause mental health issues in some cases, especially in older folk, they can mimic agitated states of dementia. If you are concerned you're only option is to speak to the GP and take it from there. The old days of having the mental health team pop in or having people sectioned are long gone, I have been involved in the mh system for many years and even seriously ill people struggle to be treated.

A GP will have to take your concerns on board. This happened recently to my Husbands uncle, he literally changed personality within weeks. At first he was treated for a UTI and nobody quite believed the family as to how drastic his behaviour was, then he was diagnosed with a brain infection and put into a ward, then sent home to sheltered housing where he promptly deteriorated and is now in a care home. This was a man who up until 6 months ago was working and travelling by tube into London every day, lived in his own place and was an independent as anyone.

There are a number of stress factors that can cause radical changes like this, it's a process of elimination and you have to get to the docs first, even if he won't come with you - it obviously needs addressing.

If it is severe enough you may get a referral to the crisis/ home assessment mental health team who can assess and involve the relevant services if need be. It isn't easy, quick or simple so prepare yourself and plan ahead.
#22
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3grandma3
UTI'S CAN CAUSE THIS AND WORSE!!!! SEE IF YOU CAN GET A URINE SAMPLE AND GET THE NURSE AT THE DOCTORS TO CHECK IT.

UTI'S CAN CAUSE WHAT? Being abusive? So can alcohol, drugs, gambling, stress, berevement...

3grandma3made a very valid point. UTI's can cause older people to appear to be very mentally ill. Not sure what your point is, as I'm sure the OP would know if it was gambling, drugs, stress etc that caused it.
#23
No additional advice OP, I just hope you can access the help and support you need. Let us know jow you're faring.
#24
Shaf123
My dad recently seems to have developed a mental disorder but he believes he is completely fine.I have called my local GP for help but he refuses to go doctors and I have also tried the NHS 111 service but they said theyl need the patients agreement which iv no chance of getting. Is there any other way I can force him to go hospital?

I'm so sorry to hear of the trouble with your dad. I had same problems a few year ago with my mum. Social Services have a dept called Adult Services you could maybe try to give them a ring and explain situation and that you yourself are having difficulties coping. It could be something as simple as a urine infection or constipation, these both can lead to dementia style symptoms.. I wish you all the best and hope you get something sorted..
#25
It seems from another more recent post by OP that his father was admitted to hospital.

Edited By: cheddarman on Dec 16, 2014 07:34
#26
Thanks for the update cheddarman. I do hope his dad gets the help needed. They make it extremely difficult to find the help you need.. talking from my own experience of course.
#27
therealslimkaty
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3grandma3
UTI'S CAN CAUSE THIS AND WORSE!!!! SEE IF YOU CAN GET A URINE SAMPLE AND GET THE NURSE AT THE DOCTORS TO CHECK IT.

UTI'S CAN CAUSE WHAT? Being abusive? So can alcohol, drugs, gambling, stress, berevement...

3grandma3made a very valid point. UTI's can cause older people to appear to be very mentally ill. Not sure what your point is, as I'm sure the OP would know if it was gambling, drugs, stress etc that caused it.

When I worked in elderly care, we had one lady that was independant and cheerful and bright, well educated, elegant and generally nice to be with - went in to her one morning and she was wailing, delirious, squashing feces into her bed sheets - uti. Course of antibiotics and she was back to reading "Murder in the cathedral" and taking afternoon tea. It was shocking to see.
#28
Beetlemama
therealslimkaty
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3grandma3
UTI'S CAN CAUSE THIS AND WORSE!!!! SEE IF YOU CAN GET A URINE SAMPLE AND GET THE NURSE AT THE DOCTORS TO CHECK IT.

UTI'S CAN CAUSE WHAT? Being abusive? So can alcohol, drugs, gambling, stress, berevement...

3grandma3made a very valid point. UTI's can cause older people to appear to be very mentally ill. Not sure what your point is, as I'm sure the OP would know if it was gambling, drugs, stress etc that caused it.

When I worked in elderly care, we had one lady that was independant and cheerful and bright, well educated, elegant and generally nice to be with - went in to her one morning and she was wailing, delirious, squashing feces into her bed sheets - uti. Course of antibiotics and she was back to reading "Murder in the cathedral" and taking afternoon tea. It was shocking to see.

it really is bizarre how it can affect people. i hope the op gets his problem sorted out.
#29
therealslimkaty
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3grandma3
UTI'S CAN CAUSE THIS AND WORSE!!!! SEE IF YOU CAN GET A URINE SAMPLE AND GET THE NURSE AT THE DOCTORS TO CHECK IT.

UTI'S CAN CAUSE WHAT? Being abusive? So can alcohol, drugs, gambling, stress, berevement...

3grandma3made a very valid point. UTI's can cause older people to appear to be very mentally ill. Not sure what your point is, as I'm sure the OP would know if it was gambling, drugs, stress etc that caused it.

My point is that UTIs cause a lot of other things, and a lot of other things cause mental illness.
#30
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therealslimkaty
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3grandma3
UTI'S CAN CAUSE THIS AND WORSE!!!! SEE IF YOU CAN GET A URINE SAMPLE AND GET THE NURSE AT THE DOCTORS TO CHECK IT.

UTI'S CAN CAUSE WHAT? Being abusive? So can alcohol, drugs, gambling, stress, berevement...

3grandma3made a very valid point. UTI's can cause older people to appear to be very mentally ill. Not sure what your point is, as I'm sure the OP would know if it was gambling, drugs, stress etc that caused it.

My point is that UTIs cause a lot of other things, and a lot of other things cause mental illness.

And at no point did the person say that they didn't. They simply made a very relevant suggestion given the circumstances.
#31
arrange an urgent gp home visit
#32
sorry to hear this i will pray for you xxx take care of your dad my dad died of cancer 9 yrs ago and i still miss him
#33
therealslimkaty
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therealslimkaty
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3grandma3
UTI'S CAN CAUSE THIS AND WORSE!!!! SEE IF YOU CAN GET A URINE SAMPLE AND GET THE NURSE AT THE DOCTORS TO CHECK IT.

UTI'S CAN CAUSE WHAT? Being abusive? So can alcohol, drugs, gambling, stress, berevement...

3grandma3made a very valid point. UTI's can cause older people to appear to be very mentally ill. Not sure what your point is, as I'm sure the OP would know if it was gambling, drugs, stress etc that caused it.

My point is that UTIs cause a lot of other things, and a lot of other things cause mental illness.

And at no point did the person say that they didn't. They simply made a very relevant suggestion given the circumstances.
Im now going to post every possible cause, because theyre all relevant suggestions, right?
#34
It has been mentioned that the father may now be in hospital, I am sure they will find out what is wrong and provide the correct treatment. Don't make any more suggestions as you may scare the life out of the Op when he comes back and reads the post. Hope all goes well for him.

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