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Hi guys n gals as the title says really, recently got and every dog seen gets an earful so wondered if anyone else in Northamptonshire has the same and where they walk there's?? spoke to vet w… Read More
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3m, 2w agoPosted 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Hi guys n gals

as the title says really, recently got and every dog seen gets an earful so wondered if anyone else in Northamptonshire has the same and where they walk there's??

spoke to vet who says they have quite a lot of the same so must be a lovely big bit of land somewhere local for these guys to go.

wasn't told how bad it was just that it's playful way...but this is far from playful. we keep a good grip as no way about to let ours get to an innocent dog.

all I do is apologise to people, look at me like I've trained a monster but I didn't train this. as all my dogs I've had all my life have been well socialised, and adored play time with other dogs.

any help be great, as I said I've not had a dog who hated other dogs. so sad really as such a fab dog in all other ways except this.

but from what we've experienced not been socialised, nor house trained much, as only toilet in house or garden. but only been in garden once as we've always been thought that just because garden dog shouldn't be stuck out there as not fair so we take out a lot and bring our apologies.

using clicker treats and toys on walks to take mind off, also it's only if sees them. if just hears them then fine. would love to have doggy friends for walks as dogs love that.... so hoping with time will get better.

just disheartening with dirty looks and comments like our fault.

yet biggest softy in world with toddler ( supervised) before anyone starts.

it's just other dogs that hates.

* apologises if we have already met, I feel so bad when it happens *

thank you guys n gals
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3m, 2w agoPosted 3 months, 2 weeks ago
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#1
Hi there, first I take my hat off to you for rescuing this dog, please stick with him/her. I imagine he or she has either been neglected, abused or passed from person to person?
We rescued an older pup November 2015 and it's been a year of patience and learning.its still ongoing and she still has her issues due to not being socialised in that crucial time frame of 6-14 weeks.
You say about problems toilet training. How old is the dog? He may never have lived in a house. I went to poundstretcher and bought a bird mirror on a longish chain that had 3 noisy bells on it. I attached this to back door keys and everytime I took her in back garden I said, 'come and be a clever girl' and rang the bells. I then went out with her everytime with cheese cubes in a box that I kept outside (it was November and cold) if she did her business I'd immediately say clever girl and give her some cheese.
She continued to mess in the house for a long time and it was very stressful but we persevered. She would never go to the toilet whilst on the lead and still now will only wee on a stretchy lead on a nighttime if I say be a clever girl. I'm not entirely sure if this is a quirk or something from her past as my old boy who I had for 12 years never had issues such as these!
So, she finally got there with house training at about 8 months old, we had her at about 4.5 ish months and compared to other stories of house training this took us ages.
we never used pads as by the age we had her she just shredded them immediately. We also never used a crate as although they have their place, I've never used one and felt it wasn't right for her as she'd been locked up already.
So main thing is, stick to the routine that works for you, buy simple solution enzymatic cleaner off amazon as it's great for wees and poos in the house!
One day we just came home and she was clean. Literally from that day she will hold it until walked or let out and still rings her bells on the back door to go out.
As for on walks. Does your dog love tennis balls? I find walking her with a ball is great as although she is friendly to dogs, she's ott and leaps around and bothers little tiny dogs that don't want to be bothered. With a ball she rarely even looks at abother dog and if she does its a brief hello plus I doubt your dog could bark very well with a ball in his mouth haha!
another th ing is treat rewards, when you walk past a dog, treat tidbits until past.
The main thing is, is he just vocal on the lead because he wants to play or is he aggressively Barking and would he attack another dog?
I used to find with my male dog he was really naughty and noisy on the lead to the point of worry and embarrassment but I learnt that when off the lead he was absolutely fine. Obviously this would have to be tried in a controlled way with a muzzle etc which I did do for him.
It might be worth you getting one of those leads that are different colours ;

Colour Coded Dog Lead PREVENTS Dog Accidents By Warning Others Of Your Dog In Advance! "CAUTION, NO DOGS, FRIENDLY, NERVOUS, BLIND DOG, DEAF DOG, TRAINING, WORKING, ADOPT ME, DO NOT FEED" (g. WHITE "BLIND DOG" LEAD (No/Limited Sight)) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B008JFCIPI/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_hKJCyb5P51X56

not sure if that link will work but gives you an idea if not.
Hope you persevere and remember how lovely the dog is in general. Some dogs just don't like other dogs due to how they have been brought up and so it's just trying to manage it as best as possible.
If funds allow, a dog trainer is always going to be a preferable option too.
Sorry not much help but I wanted to say you aren't alone!
#2
Our dog is similar when passing other dogs. I try and warn to passing dog owners that he might go ballistic. If I was to let him off the lead though he is fine with other dogs. Obviously I can't just let him off walking down the footpaths. With ours I have put it down to he has a "fight or flight" situation going on in his head. He can't do the flight as he is on a lead and being restrained..... the alternative is to fight. Off lead he can do the flight but doesn't feel the need to as he wants to say hello to the other dog and can move (run) away if the other dog doesn't like him.
#3
I have a miniature yorkie and he's the same. Literally like a dog possessed. As Gilly says get one of the leads, the majority of people then understand.
#4
Gillybean177
Hi there, first I take my hat off to you for rescuing this dog, please stick with him/her. I imagine he or she has either been neglected, abused or passed from person to person?
We rescued an older pup November 2015 and it's been a year of patience and learning.its still ongoing and she still has her issues due to not being socialised in that crucial time frame of 6-14 weeks.
You say about problems toilet training. How old is the dog? He may never have lived in a house. I went to poundstretcher and bought a bird mirror on a longish chain that had 3 noisy bells on it. I attached this to back door keys and everytime I took her in back garden I said, 'come and be a clever girl' and rang the bells. I then went out with her everytime with cheese cubes in a box that I kept outside (it was November and cold) if she did her business I'd immediately say clever girl and give her some cheese.
She continued to mess in the house for a long time and it was very stressful but we persevered. She would never go to the toilet whilst on the lead and still now will only wee on a stretchy lead on a nighttime if I say be a clever girl. I'm not entirely sure if this is a quirk or something from her past as my old boy who I had for 12 years never had issues such as these!
So, she finally got there with house training at about 8 months old, we had her at about 4.5 ish months and compared to other stories of house training this took us ages.
we never used pads as by the age we had her she just shredded them immediately. We also never used a crate as although they have their place, I've never used one and felt it wasn't right for her as she'd been locked up already.
So main thing is, stick to the routine that works for you, buy simple solution enzymatic cleaner off amazon as it's great for wees and poos in the house!
One day we just came home and she was clean. Literally from that day she will hold it until walked or let out and still rings her bells on the back door to go out.
As for on walks. Does your dog love tennis balls? I find walking her with a ball is great as although she is friendly to dogs, she's ott and leaps around and bothers little tiny dogs that don't want to be bothered. With a ball she rarely even looks at abother dog and if she does its a brief hello plus I doubt your dog could bark very well with a ball in his mouth haha!
another th ing is treat rewards, when you walk past a dog, treat tidbits until past.
The main thing is, is he just vocal on the lead because he wants to play or is he aggressively Barking and would he attack another dog?
I used to find with my male dog he was really naughty and noisy on the lead to the point of worry and embarrassment but I learnt that when off the lead he was absolutely fine. Obviously this would have to be tried in a controlled way with a muzzle etc which I did do for him.
It might be worth you getting one of those leads that are different colours ;

Colour Coded Dog Lead PREVENTS Dog Accidents By Warning Others Of Your Dog In Advance! "CAUTION, NO DOGS, FRIENDLY, NERVOUS, BLIND DOG, DEAF DOG, TRAINING, WORKING, ADOPT ME, DO NOT FEED" (g. WHITE "BLIND DOG" LEAD (No/Limited Sight)) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B008JFCIPI/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_hKJCyb5P51X56

not sure if that link will work but gives you an idea if not.
Hope you persevere and remember how lovely the dog is in general. Some dogs just don't like other dogs due to how they have been brought up and so it's just trying to manage it as best as possible.
If funds allow, a dog trainer is always going to be a preferable option too.
Sorry not much help but I wanted to say you aren't alone!


hi thank you, we're going to stick with him as he's so good with the kids and has so many fab points it's the aggression to other dogs that's the issue. he does not want to play he wants to get them....he went for a very patient and living dog other day. it just sat tilting it's head whimpering at him just wanted to play. but he took a huge lunge at it, I do not know these people or their dogs so I will NOT risk the other dogs by letting him off his lead. I thought about a muzzle but again wouldn't let him off near them because if he's going mental there get angry and could snap back at him then it's a whole new drama.

he loves people and I feel so bad for him as he just hates dogs. even though he was walked with another dog before.

but I've been told all of this NEVER happened with previous home. was told he was got as puppy, went to pup trying classes and doggy day care. I can not see how they'd let him in when he acts like this as it's dangerous to other dogs and I certainly won't put other dogs at risk

were continue to work with him and walk him ( as can not keep in garden as not fair and won't do any good with issue )

thank you x
#5
INDUSTRYHATER
I have a miniature yorkie and he's the same. Literally like a dog possessed. As Gilly says get one of the leads, the majority of people then understand.


yeah it's just like a demon takes over his body and he goes flipping out. but these dogs are not doing anything to him just walking then he starts and starts them off. so then I get the dirty looks and feels awful.
#6
irishbaby
INDUSTRYHATER
I have a miniature yorkie and he's the same. Literally like a dog possessed. As Gilly says get one of the leads, the majority of people then understand.


yeah it's just like a demon takes over his body and he goes flipping out. but these dogs are not doing anything to him just walking then he starts and starts them off. so then I get the dirty looks and feels awful.


100% the same for me, my yorkie literally gets airborne, going ballistic. He's tiny but will go for a horse. Like yours, he goes for any dogs, even if the other dog is minding his own business not even looking then mine will go for it. I also have another yorkie and a shi-poo and he's fine with them. There's always the muzzle option.
#7
worried about the muzzle though in case another goes for him. I just want everyone to be safe which other dogs are until he annoys them. we're going to try a muzzle in store leave on for bit see how he / we feel.
#8
My dog was muzzled because she was always wary of other dogs after being attacked a few times. The next time she was attacked she could not defend herself and had her left ear ripped off.
I would never muzzle a dog, it's easier to avoid other dogs.
It might be worth trying a water pistol and squirting your dog in he face when it goes off on one.


Edited By: Sambat on Jan 08, 2017 16:06
#9
Sambat
My dog was muzzled because she was always wary of other dogs after being attacked a few times. The next time she was attacked she could not defend herself and had her left ear ripped off.
I would never muzzle a dog, it's easier to avoid other dogs.
It might be worth trying a water pistol and squirting your dog in he face when it goes off on one.



exactly that's main fear with a muzzle, used water inside.. was playing about with kids but will bring it next time with us see if any effect to him.
#10
what kind of dog is it? if large/strong, a halti will help you with the control of the dog. haltis also come with something that can attach to a collar so the dog can't escape or have a double ended lead to clip on halti and then collar/harness.
People are very quick to judge and I imagine it makes you feel bad when walking but from their perspective, it is quite intimidating to be walking towards a seemingly vicious dog, especially if it is a big dog. I used to regularly see a dog like this, he was bull mastiff I think and I would shout a hello to his owner from a distance. It is scary and it was when I had my elderly dog and I used to just hope he'd hold him ok. People may be more reassured if you had a muzzle on your pooch and then they may be more prepared to give you the time of day and maybe let your pooch (on the lead of course) slightly closer and you could maybe get talking to them more and your dog would slowly get used to seeing other dogs.
saying that I think it would take a hell of work for a dog aggressive dog to be more sociable with dogs as once that is ingrained I'm sure it's hard to lose. Maybe your dog was attacked and is constantly on the defence?
my parents have a collie cross who is a rescue dog and she is extremely dog aggressive. She has to be on the lead at all times and in the past before they knew the full extent of the problem, she would actively seek a dog of any size and breed out and attack it.
Definitely seek advice from a train er if you can. Good luck
#11
gsd and basically at his adult height and weight already. have a harness and it helps alot more then the collar did. I know that's why I always apologise as God knows what it looks like from their side. but I don't just stand there and let him go on, I hold him firmly talk to him distract him turn him away...he is very strong but I'm able to hold him steady.
#12
I had a leash reactive dog myself and we put up with it for a few years before seeking professional help. I strongly recommend finding a force free positive reinforcement trainer in your area, it is well worth the time and money invested as we now have a completely different dog!

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Well done for sticking with the dog, I understand how embarrassing and frustrating it can be.

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