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I'm trying to find a new desktop PC for my son that will run some of the steam games that his old rubbish one is not able to. He wants a GTX graphics card to enable him to use his Nvidia shield with h… Read More
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5m, 2w agoPosted 5 months, 2 weeks ago
I'm trying to find a new desktop PC for my son that will run some of the steam games that his old rubbish one is not able to. He wants a GTX graphics card to enable him to use his Nvidia shield with his TV? Am I better buying a normal PC and putting a decent graphics card in it? Prepared to pay up to £800 for the lot but would be happier with 600. If anyone can point me in the right direction as to good places to look or get advice I'd be very grateful.
We don't need windows or a monitor.
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5m, 2w agoPosted 5 months, 2 weeks ago
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Go for this sort http://www.ebuyer.com/760820-cyberpower-gaming-battalion-1050ti-ecc01748-ecc01748 then you have 100-300 for monitor/keyboard/mouse (optional upgrades) would be my advise the spec's on the main unit are good for the money.


Edited By: Bades on Dec 07, 2016 10:26

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#1
Go for this sort http://www.ebuyer.com/760820-cyberpower-gaming-battalion-1050ti-ecc01748-ecc01748 then you have 100-300 for monitor/keyboard/mouse (optional upgrades) would be my advise the spec's on the main unit are good for the money.


Edited By: Bades on Dec 07, 2016 10:26
#2
I made a build for you, which you can view here: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hhZM4C

This will be supper quick and play nearly every game at ultra settings at resolution of 1080p. You can probably pick up a cheap operating system on Ebay for less than £5, I recommend getting Windows 7 key, download Windows 10 from Microsoft website and the key will activate Windows 10.
#3
Try go for a FX8350 processor and a GTX 1050/60 just look on eBay at freshtech or other similar sellers.
#4
Bades
Go for this sort http://www.ebuyer.com/760820-cyberpower-gaming-battalion-1050ti-ecc01748-ecc01748 then you have 100-300 for monitor/keyboard/mouse (optional upgrades) would be my advise the spec's on the main unit are good for the money.

I would avoid this machine as the power supply is a piece of garbage. It does not say what motherboard it is but I bet it is a piece of garbage as well. It has no SSD (all though you could add one). The processor is poor. It is also built on old architecture so you are limited for upgrades later.
#5
Rabmac1
I made a build for you, which you can view here: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hhZM4C
This will be supper quick and play nearly every game at ultra settings at resolution of 1080p. You can probably pick up a cheap operating system on Ebay for less than £5, I recommend getting Windows 7 key, download Windows 10 from Microsoft website and the key will activate Windows 10.
No offence but before bombarding someone with that don't you think you should find out if they have or it able to build one 1st you and I could do it in a few hours but some may not be able to.
#7
Snakeyes646
Try go for a FX8350 processor and a GTX 1050/60 just look on eBay at freshtech or other similar sellers.
I would not get an FX 8350 as the i3 6100/6300 is cheaper and will outperform it in gaming. Also means you have better upgrade path as Skylake motherboards are newer so compatible with most of the new technology.
#8
Bades
Rabmac1
I made a build for you, which you can view here: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hhZM4C
This will be supper quick and play nearly every game at ultra settings at resolution of 1080p. You can probably pick up a cheap operating system on Ebay for less than £5, I recommend getting Windows 7 key, download Windows 10 from Microsoft website and the key will activate Windows 10.
No offence but before bombarding someone with that don't you think you should find out if they have or it able to build one 1st you and I could do it in a few hours but some may not be able to.
With the amount of free online tutorials and free computer forums, I am sure the OP could do it but can also take it to local shop and ask them to assemble, or ask a friend/family member to help. The only part that it is a bit fiddly is attacking the heatsink.
#9
Wow - that's brilliant. Thanks so much. Hopefully I can start getting my head round it all now.
Are Ebuyer a reputable company then? OK if I have any problems with it? I feel a bit wary of buying from Ebay in case I have problems.
My husband is good to do a bit of PC building but I suspect he'd rather not do the whole thing from scratch.
#10
Rabmac1
Bades
Rabmac1
I made a build for you, which you can view here: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hhZM4C
This will be supper quick and play nearly every game at ultra settings at resolution of 1080p. You can probably pick up a cheap operating system on Ebay for less than £5, I recommend getting Windows 7 key, download Windows 10 from Microsoft website and the key will activate Windows 10.
No offence but before bombarding someone with that don't you think you should find out if they have or it able to build one 1st you and I could do it in a few hours but some may not be able to.
With the amount of free online tutorials and free computer forums, I am sure the OP could do it but can also take it to local shop and ask them to assemble, or ask a friend/family member to help. The only part that it is a bit fiddly is attacking the heatsink.
All about time vs money at this time of year I build custom systems and pre built are often the easy option for people in the short term you have to be in to the pc scene to really look past the next 3/4 years with upgrades. I just looked at the post and saw "no idea what Im doing" and the fact the help was being asked online so prob has not got the friends that would know how to do that. but hey glad you took the time to look it up for the OP.
#11
Joltek
Wow - that's brilliant. Thanks so much. Hopefully I can start getting my head round it all now.
Are Ebuyer a reputable company then? OK if I have any problems with it? I feel a bit wary of buying from Ebay in case I have problems.
My husband is good to do a bit of PC building but I suspect he'd rather not do the whole thing from scratch.
I have never had an issue with them but that not to say others have not, follow some simple tips use a credit card and pay of the balance before anycharge (to get extra protection) or paypal. use quidco to get some extra cash back from the sale if you go with them. :)
#12
Bades
Rabmac1
Bades
Rabmac1
I made a build for you, which you can view here: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hhZM4C
This will be supper quick and play nearly every game at ultra settings at resolution of 1080p. You can probably pick up a cheap operating system on Ebay for less than £5, I recommend getting Windows 7 key, download Windows 10 from Microsoft website and the key will activate Windows 10.
No offence but before bombarding someone with that don't you think you should find out if they have or it able to build one 1st you and I could do it in a few hours but some may not be able to.
With the amount of free online tutorials and free computer forums, I am sure the OP could do it but can also take it to local shop and ask them to assemble, or ask a friend/family member to help. The only part that it is a bit fiddly is attacking the heatsink.
All about time vs money at this time of year I build custom systems and pre built are often the easy option for people in the short term you have to be in to the pc scene to really look past the next 3/4 years with upgrades. I just looked at the post and saw "no idea what Im doing" and the fact the help was being asked online so prob has not got the friends that would know how to do that. but hey glad you took the time to look it up for the OP.
Fair point. I just figured that the power supply has a good chance of frying your components in these pre-built machines and the motherboard usually don't have the necessary safety features to stop it. Could also be a good bonding experience if you get your kid involved in building the machine.
#14
Joltek
Wow - that's brilliant. Thanks so much. Hopefully I can start getting my head round it all now.
Are Ebuyer a reputable company then? OK if I have any problems with it? I feel a bit wary of buying from Ebay in case I have problems.
My husband is good to do a bit of PC building but I suspect he'd rather not do the whole thing from scratch.
Ebuyer is a decent supplier but I would avoid buying that machine as it has so many deficiencies.

This is is a bit more expensive but a far better spec (although I still don't like the power supply they are using): https://www.chillblast.com/chillblast-fusion-flame-gaming-pc-next-day-edition-.html?category_id=412
#15
how much difference between and i3 and an i5 processor. I was looking at this one. http://www.ebuyer.com/754231-stormforce-tornado-vr-gaming-pc-7260-5302
Opinions on this compared to the Chillblast above?
#16
Joltek
how much difference between and i3 and an i5 processor. I was looking at this one. http://www.ebuyer.com/754231-stormforce-tornado-vr-gaming-pc-7260-5302
Opinions on this compared to the Chillblast above?
It will depend on the game as some games use multiple cores and some only use single and dual core. For the games that use more than 2 cores, the i5 (4 core) will outperform the i3 (2 core) but for games that use 1-2 cores, the i3 will outperform the i5 because of its faster core speed. That being said both processors will play any game you throw at them and won't create a bottleneck.

For a budget machine I would go for i3 6100 or i3 6300. For a mid range machine I would get an i5 6500 or i5 6600K if I wanted to overclock. I don't really like the i5 6400 as it has a lower core speed (2.7 GHz).

The PC you linked looks OK but I would like to know what power supply they are using. I like the fact it has a GTX 1060 6GB as this will play any game on full HD at ultra settings and you will get good frames per second on that setting. I just noticed that it only uses 1 x 8GB RAM module, which means you will see around 15% performance decrease over using 2 x 4GB RAM modules because it does not utilize the dual channel feature but that is easily fixed by adding another 8 GB module or replacing for 2 x 4GB. You could even try contacting seller to ask them if they would swap for 2 x 4GB. It is also missing an operating system, so you would need to buy a Windows key and install the operating system yourself. If your did do that they you should disconnect the mechanical hard drive while you install Windows and then connect it once Windows installed.




Edited By: Rabmac1 on Dec 07, 2016 12:10: typo
#17
DinoPC.com is a great place to start looking and I do recommend a prebuilt comp if purely for the fact that if you dont know what your doing it could end up being very costly if you damage some components whilst building your own.it appears they have a sale on atm too
#18
Lucifer_UK
DinoPC.com is a great place to start looking and I do recommend a prebuilt comp if purely for the fact that if you dont know what your doing it could end up being very costly if you damage some components whilst building your own.it appears they have a sale on atm too
Yeah this looks OK for the price: http://www.dinopc.com/shop/pc/Primal-GEN-Gaming-PC-196p2863.htm

My only concerns:

1. PSU not that great
2. No sold state hard drive (not essential)
3. Graphics card is entry level and won't play games on highest settings at good FPS.
4. Only has 1 RAM module, better with 2.

If I bought that I would probably sell the GTX 1050 from it and put towards a GTX 1060. Would also buy another 8GB module of RAM and a 120GB SSD. These upgrades are easy to do but not essential.
#19
Rabmac1
Lucifer_UK
DinoPC.com is a great place to start looking and I do recommend a prebuilt comp if purely for the fact that if you dont know what your doing it could end up being very costly if you damage some components whilst building your own.it appears they have a sale on atm too
Yeah this looks OK for the price: http://www.dinopc.com/shop/pc/Primal-GEN-Gaming-PC-196p2863.htm
My only concerns:
1. PSU not that great
2. No sold state hard drive (not essential)
3. Graphics card is entry level and won't play games on highest settings at good FPS.
4. Only has 1 RAM module, better with 2.
If I bought that I would probably sell the GTX 1050 from it and put towards a GTX 1060. Would also buy another 8GB module of RAM and a 120GB SSD. These upgrades are easy to do but not essential.

in all honesty, I posted that purely to demonstrate a site where you can customise a prebuilt. What parts you pick are entirely up to you. Personally, if you are spending money on a system then it is always worth spending the most you can to get the best you can - that way in the future you only need to do small upgrades like replacing a gpu or ram.
If you buy medium then it is soon out of date and will require more upgrades sooner to stay competitive.

As for PSU - always modular.... always more than what you need ie get a 850watt silver+
As for SSD - these are cheap enough, get a prebuilt 1tb drive as your main storage, then add an SSD later
As for gaming - anything less than a GTX 1070 is kind of redundant.
As for RAM - 16gb is the mark and I agree two sticks better than 1, but the reality is most dont use it properly anyways ie vid editing, animation creation the impact on a gaming system is not that great

money is king here use cashback sites.... call the companies and try and barter a better deal... hunt for discount codes....all that will help and stretch the budget to get a better system.
#20
have a look on ebuyer I got my pc in may just before they announced the 10 series cards I paid 750 for mine. gtx 970 i5-6500 I can still run everything on high that's been released recently.
#21
Lucifer_UK
Rabmac1
Lucifer_UK
DinoPC.com is a great place to start looking and I do recommend a prebuilt comp if purely for the fact that if you dont know what your doing it could end up being very costly if you damage some components whilst building your own.it appears they have a sale on atm too
Yeah this looks OK for the price: http://www.dinopc.com/shop/pc/Primal-GEN-Gaming-PC-196p2863.htm
My only concerns:
1. PSU not that great
2. No sold state hard drive (not essential)
3. Graphics card is entry level and won't play games on highest settings at good FPS.
4. Only has 1 RAM module, better with 2.
If I bought that I would probably sell the GTX 1050 from it and put towards a GTX 1060. Would also buy another 8GB module of RAM and a 120GB SSD. These upgrades are easy to do but not essential.
in all honesty, I posted that purely to demonstrate a site where you can customise a prebuilt. What parts you pick are entirely up to you. Personally, if you are spending money on a system then it is always worth spending the most you can to get the best you can - that way in the future you only need to do small upgrades like replacing a gpu or ram.
If you buy medium then it is soon out of date and will require more upgrades sooner to stay competitive.
As for PSU - always modular.... always more than what you need ie get a 850watt silver+
As for SSD - these are cheap enough, get a prebuilt 1tb drive as your main storage, then add an SSD later
As for gaming - anything less than a GTX 1070 is kind of redundant.
As for RAM - 16gb is the mark and I agree two sticks better than 1, but the reality is most dont use it properly anyways ie vid editing, animation creation the impact on a gaming system is not that great
money is king here use cashback sites.... call the companies and try and barter a better deal... hunt for discount codes....all that will help and stretch the budget to get a better system.
I have to disagree with you on a number of points I'm afraid.

1. While a modular PSU is preferable it is not essential. I am currently using a non-modular Seasonic Gold PSU and have excellent cable management in my case, with hardly a wire visible through the window on the case. With regards 850W, this is overkill and actually detrimental unless you are using all the power. Using something this big is only needed if you have dual graphics card setup or are heavily overclocked.

2. True

3. The GTX 1070 is overkill at 1080p gaming because you won't see any difference between it and a GTX 1060 apart from increased FPS, which is irrelevant as your eye won't be able to tell the difference once you get over 60 FPS.

4. I would aim for 16GB if you are not on a tight budget but you can easily game on 4GB and 8GB. Increasing amount of RAM has little impact on your FPS on most titles.
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Rabmac1
Lucifer_UK
Rabmac1
Lucifer_UK
DinoPC.com is a great place to start looking and I do recommend a prebuilt comp if purely for the fact that if you dont know what your doing it could end up being very costly if you damage some components whilst building your own.it appears they have a sale on atm too
Yeah this looks OK for the price: http://www.dinopc.com/shop/pc/Primal-GEN-Gaming-PC-196p2863.htm
My only concerns:
1. PSU not that great
2. No sold state hard drive (not essential)
3. Graphics card is entry level and won't play games on highest settings at good FPS.
4. Only has 1 RAM module, better with 2.
If I bought that I would probably sell the GTX 1050 from it and put towards a GTX 1060. Would also buy another 8GB module of RAM and a 120GB SSD. These upgrades are easy to do but not essential.
in all honesty, I posted that purely to demonstrate a site where you can customise a prebuilt. What parts you pick are entirely up to you. Personally, if you are spending money on a system then it is always worth spending the most you can to get the best you can - that way in the future you only need to do small upgrades like replacing a gpu or ram.
If you buy medium then it is soon out of date and will require more upgrades sooner to stay competitive.
As for PSU - always modular.... always more than what you need ie get a 850watt silver+
As for SSD - these are cheap enough, get a prebuilt 1tb drive as your main storage, then add an SSD later
As for gaming - anything less than a GTX 1070 is kind of redundant.
As for RAM - 16gb is the mark and I agree two sticks better than 1, but the reality is most dont use it properly anyways ie vid editing, animation creation the impact on a gaming system is not that great
money is king here use cashback sites.... call the companies and try and barter a better deal... hunt for discount codes....all that will help and stretch the budget to get a better system.
I have to disagree with you on a number of points I'm afraid.
1. While a modular PSU is preferable it is not essential. I am currently using a non-modular Seasonic Gold PSU and have excellent cable management in my case, with hardly a wire visible through the window on the case. With regards 850W, this is overkill and actually detrimental unless you are using all the power. Using something this big is only needed if you have dual graphics card setup or are heavily overclocked.
2. True
3. The GTX 1070 is overkill at 1080p gaming because you won't see any difference between it and a GTX 1060 apart from increased FPS, which is irrelevant as your eye won't be able to tell the difference once you get over 60 FPS.
4. I would aim for 16GB if you are not on a tight budget but you can easily game on 4GB and 8GB. Increasing amount of RAM has little impact on your FPS on most titles.

I appreciate your viewpoints, but I refer you back to my original statement ''worth spending the most you can to get the best you can - that way in the future you only need to do small upgrades''

yes you can game on smaller ram, but it gives you the headroom for the future and the price for ram as a whole has dropped. I cannot see any reason why you would not buy 16gb.

Again future proofing when it comes to resolution the 1060 is not a bad card, but not a great card and 1080p is not longer the standard to be aiming for even the outdated XB1 and PS4 are aiming higher. The larger monitors have come down so much in price over the past 18 months there is no need to be aiming for such an old standard. 2.4k or 4k should be in your sights.

Ultimately we can play keyboard tennis all day, the possibilities are endless and the choice is not ours to make :D
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