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Let's say you're at a junction, waiting to turn right. The traffic on the main road is flowing in both directions. Car approaching from the left decides to stop, and give you way. This has been hap… Read More
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5m, 4w agoPosted 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Let's say you're at a junction, waiting to turn right. The traffic on the main road is flowing in both directions. Car approaching from the left decides to stop, and give you way.

This has been happening a lot in Birmingham recently. As far as I know, it is against the highway code for that car to give me way, and I must wait until the carriageway is clear and then take my right turn.

I know some people do this out of politeness. If it were a lorry or another vehicle turning on to the road I was coming on to I would understand, they need more room. However, for small cars this is unneeded. Recently, there have been a lot of crash for cash scams here. They let you turn right, as soon as you begin to turn they crash in to you hence why I wait. So, this is an automatic at fault rtc.

What would you do?

In this picture:

Green car sitting waiting to turn right (me) has to wait until road is clear, blue car which has just past from his left to right has right of way, regardless if he's going straight (as in pic) or turning right. There have been many reports of people giving way and then crashing in to you.

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5m, 4w agoPosted 5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Hello!

I am a fleet manager and end up dealing with all sorts of insurances claims etc!

Basically my advice would be this: Ignore all hand gestures from other road users, you cannot rely on them actually being right. Legally they are meaning less unless given by an authorised person such as police officer etc.

So yeah someone "waves" you out to go then crashes in to you, all your fault. As has been mentioned this is the basis of the "crash for cash" claims.

Secondly "flashing of lights". This is VERY clear in the highway code and makes up the rule for insurances claim outcomes.

Flashing your lights has only one use, to indicate to other road users of your presence, the same as the horn.

Saying someone flashed you and you pulled out is not going to going to win you an insurance claim. Is this person also controlling the flow of bikes passing them who will know the car is giving way to you? No chance!

Secondly on this point, auto levelling headlamps look like they might be flashing you (one flash) as they go over dips in the road.

Essentially, you give way to users already on the road ahead at all times. To stay legal and insurance bound you wait until you can make it across, not take gestures from other drivers.

Its like people who think the "green" light means "go", it never has and never will!

Still, in the real world....





Edited By: groenleader on Oct 30, 2016 08:44

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#1
its the cash for crash gang.
take any information,location,car reg's,descriptions etc etc,
and take them to police as soon as.
safe driving.
#2
"wants to turn right, and tries to give you way as you are turning left?"

you mean right i presume there

I get your point but I take it as being just part of driving, sure you could wait but still you could be waiting for a long time, what if there is a constant stream of people turning right? someone may want to let you out just so its easier for them to get into your road. Its just one of those chances you take.

to your question yes i would take it, judge as much as possible in those few seconds.
#3
Bit confused, you are at a junction and want to turn RIGHT?

There is a car from your LEFT that wants to turn RIGHT into the road in which you are on? Correct?.

They stop in the middle of the road to let you turn RIGHT?
#4
I think its because some people think they always have to give way to the right and panic at junctions and thats why they wait for you because they haven't got a clue...
You always have right of way in your lane at a junction - If your going meet in the middle then ideally you should think of it like mini round about and go around the outside of each other.. You both want position yourself so your ready to turn right and them two right roads won't be parallel to each other so it should be fairly clear where the cars need to be in the middle of the junction next to each other.
if they are trying give way to you from their lane - Then they are in the wrong
Yet there might be the situation where there is ton of traffic behind them and your one alone car turning across their lane and there just being polite and holding up the traffic for second or two before they turn right so you don't have wait ages.. Its kind obvious tho when thats the case






Edited By: cherrysweet on Oct 30, 2016 03:11: TYPOS - very late
banned#5
He wants to give you way so he can make his own right turn easier...common sense is the ticket..
#6
Happens a lot in Altrincham. I always take it as I presume people are generally nice. Plus it's easier for him/her to turn.
#7
scazz786
He wants to give you way so he can make his own right turn easier...common sense is the ticket..
Exactly some roads you turn into are narrow so makes it easier for them.
#8
scazz786
He wants to give you way so he can make his own right turn easier...common sense is the ticket..

I do it for this reason, but i have never been to birmingham for 25 years
#9
Yep, I do this all the time. It's just a courteous thing to do...and keeps traffic flowing.
#10
Hello!

I am a fleet manager and end up dealing with all sorts of insurances claims etc!

Basically my advice would be this: Ignore all hand gestures from other road users, you cannot rely on them actually being right. Legally they are meaning less unless given by an authorised person such as police officer etc.

So yeah someone "waves" you out to go then crashes in to you, all your fault. As has been mentioned this is the basis of the "crash for cash" claims.

Secondly "flashing of lights". This is VERY clear in the highway code and makes up the rule for insurances claim outcomes.

Flashing your lights has only one use, to indicate to other road users of your presence, the same as the horn.

Saying someone flashed you and you pulled out is not going to going to win you an insurance claim. Is this person also controlling the flow of bikes passing them who will know the car is giving way to you? No chance!

Secondly on this point, auto levelling headlamps look like they might be flashing you (one flash) as they go over dips in the road.

Essentially, you give way to users already on the road ahead at all times. To stay legal and insurance bound you wait until you can make it across, not take gestures from other drivers.

Its like people who think the "green" light means "go", it never has and never will!

Still, in the real world....





Edited By: groenleader on Oct 30, 2016 08:44
#11
groenleader
Hello!
I am a fleet manager and end up dealing with all sorts of insurances claims etc!
Basically my advice would be this: Ignore all hand gestures from other road users, you cannot rely on them actually being right. Legally they are meaning less unless given by an authorised person such as police officer etc.
So yeah someone "waves" you out to go then crashes in to you, all your fault. As has been mentioned this is the basis of the "crash for cash" claims.
Secondly "flashing of lights". This is VERY clear in the highway code and makes up the rule for insurances claim outcomes.
Flashing your lights has only one use, to indicate to other road users of your presence, the same as the horn.
Saying someone flashed you and you pulled out is not going to going to win you an insurance claim. Is this person also controlling the flow of bikes passing them who will know the car is giving way to you? No chance!
Secondly on this point, auto levelling headlamps look like they might be flashing you (one flash) as they go over dips in the road.
Essentially, you give way to users already on the road ahead at all times. To stay legal and insurance bound you wait until you can make it across, not take gestures from other drivers.
Its like people who think the "green" light means "go", it never has and never will!
Still, in the real world....

Traffic flows better and people are happier when you do the right thing (even if it does open you up a micro percentage to insurance scams).

So I will continue driving as I always do....and how my father before me always did (who himself drove 30,000 miles a year-and never had an insurance scam against him).

I guess the same logic applies to standing up for people who are getting grief in the street. On a purely pragmatic basis, it is safer and more sensible to walk on by. But who wants that kind of world?

Good deeds breed good deeds.
banned#12
why does the driver think you want to turn left? if your intension is to turn right then ignore the other driver who wants you to swop lanes for no reason.
#13
Niz
"wants to turn right, and tries to give you way as you are turning left?"

you mean right i presume there

I get your point but I take it as being just part of driving, sure you could wait but still you could be waiting for a long time, what if there is a constant stream of people turning right? someone may want to let you out just so its easier for them to get into your road. Its just one of those chances you take.

to your question yes i would take it, judge as much as possible in those few seconds.


sorry fixed
#14
sofiasar
why does the driver think you want to turn left? if your intension is to turn right then ignore the other driver who wants you to swop lanes for no reason.


sorry meant right
#15
wenttoabetterplace
groenleader
Hello!
I am a fleet manager and end up dealing with all sorts of insurances claims etc!
Basically my advice would be this: Ignore all hand gestures from other road users, you cannot rely on them actually being right. Legally they are meaning less unless given by an authorised person such as police officer etc.
So yeah someone "waves" you out to go then crashes in to you, all your fault. As has been mentioned this is the basis of the "crash for cash" claims.
Secondly "flashing of lights". This is VERY clear in the highway code and makes up the rule for insurances claim outcomes.
Flashing your lights has only one use, to indicate to other road users of your presence, the same as the horn.
Saying someone flashed you and you pulled out is not going to going to win you an insurance claim. Is this person also controlling the flow of bikes passing them who will know the car is giving way to you? No chance!
Secondly on this point, auto levelling headlamps look like they might be flashing you (one flash) as they go over dips in the road.
Essentially, you give way to users already on the road ahead at all times. To stay legal and insurance bound you wait until you can make it across, not take gestures from other drivers.
Its like people who think the "green" light means "go", it never has and never will!
Still, in the real world....
Traffic flows better and people are happier when you do the right thing (even if it does open you up a micro percentage to insurance scams).
So I will continue driving as I always do....and how my father before me always did (who himself drove 30,000 miles a year-and never had an insurance scam against him).
I guess the same logic applies to standing up for people who are getting grief in the street. On a purely pragmatic basis, it is safer and more sensible to walk on by. But who wants that kind of world?
Good deeds breed good deeds.

I am just giving you the facts, I even added the "in the real world part".

No matter what you think, you cannot be sure that traffic passing you as you slow down to let someone go will know that you are letting people across.
#16
groenleader
wenttoabetterplace
groenleader
Hello!
I am a fleet manager and end up dealing with all sorts of insurances claims etc!
Basically my advice would be this: Ignore all hand gestures from other road users, you cannot rely on them actually being right. Legally they are meaning less unless given by an authorised person such as police officer etc.
So yeah someone "waves" you out to go then crashes in to you, all your fault. As has been mentioned this is the basis of the "crash for cash" claims.
Secondly "flashing of lights". This is VERY clear in the highway code and makes up the rule for insurances claim outcomes.
Flashing your lights has only one use, to indicate to other road users of your presence, the same as the horn.
Saying someone flashed you and you pulled out is not going to going to win you an insurance claim. Is this person also controlling the flow of bikes passing them who will know the car is giving way to you? No chance!
Secondly on this point, auto levelling headlamps look like they might be flashing you (one flash) as they go over dips in the road.
Essentially, you give way to users already on the road ahead at all times. To stay legal and insurance bound you wait until you can make it across, not take gestures from other drivers.
Its like people who think the "green" light means "go", it never has and never will!
Still, in the real world....
Traffic flows better and people are happier when you do the right thing (even if it does open you up a micro percentage to insurance scams).
So I will continue driving as I always do....and how my father before me always did (who himself drove 30,000 miles a year-and never had an insurance scam against him).
I guess the same logic applies to standing up for people who are getting grief in the street. On a purely pragmatic basis, it is safer and more sensible to walk on by. But who wants that kind of world?
Good deeds breed good deeds.

I am just giving you the facts, I even added the "in the real world part".

No matter what you think, you cannot be sure that traffic passing you as you slow down to let someone go will know that you are letting people across.


when it comes to driving my politeness to other drivers is limited. there's being polite and following the rules which encourage flow of traffic and discourage confusion. i'll be polite for example, if a driver is getting off their drive way or something. but i would never give way when it's my right of way simply due to how things work, people's expectations etc

i've heard many stories of people being given way then the person giving them way crash and claim they cut them up. it's best to avoid all that bother and wait in my opinion

birmingham is a mess atm, i personally believe we should have two tests one in Westminster, London, and another in a sub urban area which incorporates countryside driving. my mum who has been driving since the 1989 couldn't drive in Islington, london when we went a few months ago, i had to take over.
#17
personally, the other driver wants to cross YOUR lane to get into theirs even though they're in front of you... you don't have to cross their lane so I think you have priority.
#18
charlielees71
personally, the other driver wants to cross YOUR lane to get into theirs even though they're in front of you... you don't have to cross their lane so I think you have priority.

Incorrect.

The OP's scenario of sitting at a junction waiting to turn right means the traffic coming from the left is already on the carriageway the OP intends to enter, they (traffic from the left) have right of way.

Nearest pic I can find ;

https://assets.digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk/media/559d1ccce5274a155900001f/the-highway-code-rule-211.jpg

Green car sitting waiting to turn right has to wait until road is clear, blue car which has just past from his left to right has right of way, regardless if he's going straight (as in pic) or turning right.







Edited By: andynicol on Oct 30, 2016 14:19
#19
andynicol
charlielees71
personally, the other driver wants to cross YOUR lane to get into theirs even though they're in front of you... you don't have to cross their lane so I think you have priority.

Incorrect.

The OP's scenario of sitting at a junction waiting to turn right means the traffic coming from the left is already on the carriageway the OP intends to enter, they (traffic from the left) have right of way.

Nearest pic I can find ;

https://assets.digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk/media/559d1ccce5274a155900001f/the-highway-code-rule-211.jpg

Green car sitting waiting to turn right has to wait until road is clear, blue car which has just past from his left to right has right of way, regardless if he's going straight (as in pic) or turning right.








I pictured a different image where OP was on the main road wanting to turn right (purple car) and the other car was at a junction wanting to turn right (green car)

my misunderstanding :)
#20
charlielees71
andynicol
charlielees71
personally, the other driver wants to cross YOUR lane to get into theirs even though they're in front of you... you don't have to cross their lane so I think you have priority.
Incorrect.
The OP's scenario of sitting at a junction waiting to turn right means the traffic coming from the left is already on the carriageway the OP intends to enter, they (traffic from the left) have right of way.
Nearest pic I can find ;https://assets.digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk/media/559d1ccce5274a155900001f/the-highway-code-rule-211.jpg
Green car sitting waiting to turn right has to wait until road is clear, blue car which has just past from his left to right has right of way, regardless if he's going straight (as in pic) or turning right.
I pictured a different image where OP was on the main road wanting to turn right (purple car) and the other car was at a junction wanting to turn right (green car)
my misunderstanding :)

8)
#21
andynicol
charlielees71
personally, the other driver wants to cross YOUR lane to get into theirs even though they're in front of you... you don't have to cross their lane so I think you have priority.
Incorrect.
The OP's scenario of sitting at a junction waiting to turn right means the traffic coming from the left is already on the carriageway the OP intends to enter, they (traffic from the left) have right of way.
Nearest pic I can find ;https://assets.digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk/media/559d1ccce5274a155900001f/the-highway-code-rule-211.jpg
Green car sitting waiting to turn right has to wait until road is clear, blue car which has just past from his left to right has right of way, regardless if he's going straight (as in pic) or turning right.
This is the nearest picture yes. I will update the post.
#22
It's laziness, a lot of drivers don't seem to be able to correctly turn into a junction without requiring a quarter of your side of the lane and needing to cut the corner, they're not letting you out for your convience but theirs, because they can't be bothered to position themselves correctly, which amuses me considering most modern cars have power-steering.

Providing it's single carriage, and I can see for cyclists/motorcyclists behind them that will filter, and it's clear I'll take the 'given' priority providing they've stopped. If not, I'll wave them to their priority, and most don't like it, but I'm not moving if I can't see correctly because of them.
#23
yea i hate corner cutters.
#24
Living in rural Cornwall it is actually very confusing when tourists from built up areas try to flash or wave drivers out of junctions, even when they think they are being useful. There is no need as there will be a large gap very soon in the traffic and can actually create a dangerous situation. Who ever has priority should just safely complete their turn and let the traffic flow. Used to live in London so know there is a difference in driving style in cities to get anywhere.
#25
Cfcb
Living in rural Cornwall it is actually very confusing when tourists from built up areas try to flash or wave drivers out of junctions, even when they think they are being useful. There is no need as there will be a large gap very soon in the traffic and can actually create a dangerous situation. Who ever has priority should just safely complete their turn and let the traffic flow. Used to live in London so know there is a difference in driving style in cities to get anywhere.


in my opinion due to all the cameras london driving is proper driving according to the highway code. except for the arabs.

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