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Building a new gaming PC and I don't have a Windows licence. Where is the best, cheapest place to purchase a Windows 8.1 key? I've spotted a few on Amazon in the region of £40 which is managable, but …
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2y, 2m agoPosted 2 years, 2 months ago
Building a new gaming PC and I don't have a Windows licence. Where is the best, cheapest place to purchase a Windows 8.1 key? I've spotted a few on Amazon in the region of £40 which is managable, but they don't come with a disk and I'm not sure how to go about getting the actual software ready to install on a brand-new build (i.e. not updating from an existing pc).

The only other computers I have available are my Mac laptop and my girlfriend's Windows 8 pc (but I don't want to use her licence or anything).

Any advice?
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2y, 2m agoPosted 2 years, 2 months ago
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#1
You can set the machine to boot from a USB through the bios.
#2
moonkeh
Building a new gaming PC and I don't have a Windows licence. Where is the best, cheapest place to purchase a Windows 8.1 key? I've spotted a few on Amazon in the region of £40 which is managable, but they don't come with a disk and I'm not sure how to go about getting the actual software ready to install on a brand-new build (i.e. not updating from an existing pc).The only other computers I have available are my Mac laptop and my girlfriend's Windows 8 pc (but I don't want to use her licence or anything).Any advice?

There are other ways to get keys
#3
Edot123
moonkeh
Building a new gaming PC and I don't have a Windows licence. Where is the best, cheapest place to purchase a Windows 8.1 key? I've spotted a few on Amazon in the region of £40 which is managable, but they don't come with a disk and I'm not sure how to go about getting the actual software ready to install on a brand-new build (i.e. not updating from an existing pc).The only other computers I have available are my Mac laptop and my girlfriend's Windows 8 pc (but I don't want to use her licence or anything).Any advice?

There are other ways to get keys

Trying to remain above board :)
#4
ipswich78
You can set the machine to boot from a USB through the bios.

Sorry, maybe I didn't explain myself clearly.
From what I gather, those £40 licences will only provide me with the licence key. Where do I go about getting the actual Windows ISO/install software to put onto my new PC?
#5
moonkeh
ipswich78
You can set the machine to boot from a USB through the bios.

Sorry, maybe I didn't explain myself clearly.
From what I gather, those £40 licences will only provide me with the licence key. Where do I go about getting the actual Windows ISO/install software to put onto my new PC?

Ah I see, are you able to download a version via the Microsoft website? This link looks like it might work?

http://windows.microsoft.com/is-is/windows-8/upgrade-product-key-only

Edited By: ipswich78 on Dec 09, 2014 11:26
#6
moonkeh
Edot123
moonkeh
Building a new gaming PC and I don't have a Windows licence. Where is the best, cheapest place to purchase a Windows 8.1 key? I've spotted a few on Amazon in the region of £40 which is managable, but they don't come with a disk and I'm not sure how to go about getting the actual software ready to install on a brand-new build (i.e. not updating from an existing pc).The only other computers I have available are my Mac laptop and my girlfriend's Windows 8 pc (but I don't want to use her licence or anything).Any advice?

There are other ways to get keys

Trying to remain above board :)

Good for you! There is no excuse for Piracy.
banned#7
ipswich78
moonkeh
Edot123
moonkeh
Building a new gaming PC and I don't have a Windows licence. Where is the best, cheapest place to purchase a Windows 8.1 key? I've spotted a few on Amazon in the region of £40 which is managable, but they don't come with a disk and I'm not sure how to go about getting the actual software ready to install on a brand-new build (i.e. not updating from an existing pc).The only other computers I have available are my Mac laptop and my girlfriend's Windows 8 pc (but I don't want to use her licence or anything).Any advice?

There are other ways to get keys

Trying to remain above board :)

Good for you! There is no excuse for Piracy.

Apart from overpriced, poorly supported software. Over priced Films, Over priced Music. Apart from that ; there's no excuse.
#8
Musician
ipswich78
moonkeh
Edot123
moonkeh
Building a new gaming PC and I don't have a Windows licence. Where is the best, cheapest place to purchase a Windows 8.1 key? I've spotted a few on Amazon in the region of £40 which is managable, but they don't come with a disk and I'm not sure how to go about getting the actual software ready to install on a brand-new build (i.e. not updating from an existing pc).The only other computers I have available are my Mac laptop and my girlfriend's Windows 8 pc (but I don't want to use her licence or anything).Any advice?

There are other ways to get keys

Trying to remain above board :)

Good for you! There is no excuse for Piracy.

Apart from overpriced, poorly supported software. Over priced Films, Over priced Music. Apart from that ; there's no excuse.

I don't know of any company which 'forces' you to buy their software, watch their film or listen to their music? And the irony of your comment above is how would you expect prices to decrease when people are pirating, rather than paying the market price for their product.
banned#9
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
moonkeh
Edot123
moonkeh
Building a new gaming PC and I don't have a Windows licence. Where is the best, cheapest place to purchase a Windows 8.1 key? I've spotted a few on Amazon in the region of £40 which is managable, but they don't come with a disk and I'm not sure how to go about getting the actual software ready to install on a brand-new build (i.e. not updating from an existing pc).The only other computers I have available are my Mac laptop and my girlfriend's Windows 8 pc (but I don't want to use her licence or anything).Any advice?

There are other ways to get keys

Trying to remain above board :)

Good for you! There is no excuse for Piracy.

Apart from overpriced, poorly supported software. Over priced Films, Over priced Music. Apart from that ; there's no excuse.

I don't know of any company which 'forces' you to buy their software, watch their film or listen to their music? And the irony of your comment above is how would you expect prices to decrease when people are pirating, rather than paying the market price for their product.

It worked with music, the music industry realised towards the end of the 90s that people would not pay 12.99 for a cd and more people were now downloading. So they reduced the prices to a standard price of 7.99 an album or 79p a song, making it more affordable. The film industry is slowly getting there, with downloading services starting to undercut each other.

While I don't condone piracy, I fully understand the reasons for it. People don't want to pay £15.00 for a new film and have a box gathering dust on a shelf. These days they want to go online, download it to their media centre / nas and watch it, then go on to the next one. Perhaps keeping a saved copy if it's any good. It's no good to be all self righteous about it, the irony of your comment is you are basically telling them the prices they charge are ok by buying them, therefore the price will never come down.

Re: the op, when I was forced by microsoft to buy 8.1, I found amazon the cheapest.

Edited By: Musician on Dec 09, 2014 12:52
#11
Musician
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
moonkeh
Edot123
moonkeh
Building a new gaming PC and I don't have a Windows licence. Where is the best, cheapest place to purchase a Windows 8.1 key? I've spotted a few on Amazon in the region of £40 which is managable, but they don't come with a disk and I'm not sure how to go about getting the actual software ready to install on a brand-new build (i.e. not updating from an existing pc).The only other computers I have available are my Mac laptop and my girlfriend's Windows 8 pc (but I don't want to use her licence or anything).Any advice?

There are other ways to get keys

Trying to remain above board :)

Good for you! There is no excuse for Piracy.

Apart from overpriced, poorly supported software. Over priced Films, Over priced Music. Apart from that ; there's no excuse.

I don't know of any company which 'forces' you to buy their software, watch their film or listen to their music? And the irony of your comment above is how would you expect prices to decrease when people are pirating, rather than paying the market price for their product.

It worked with music, the music industry realised towards the end of the 90s that people would not pay 12.99 for a cd and more people were now downloading. So they reduced the prices to a standard price of 7.99 an album or 79p a song, making it more affordable. The film industry is slowly getting there, with downloading services starting to undercut each other.

While I don't condone piracy, I fully understand the reasons for it. People don't want to pay £15.00 for a new film and have a box gathering dust on a shelf. These days they want to go online, download it to their media centre / nas and watch it, then go on to the next one. Perhaps keeping a saved copy if it's any good. It's no good to be all self righteous about it, the irony of your comment is you are basically telling them the prices they charge are ok by buying them, therefore the price will never come down.

Re: the op, when I was forced by microsoft to buy 8.1, I found amazon the cheapest.

But you are talking purely about the cost i.e. £15 for a film, just because they don't want to pay £15 for it doesn't justify downloading it illegally. I want a Ferrari, I don't want to pay upwards of £120k for one as such I can't afford it so I go without. The same applies to anything, just because you can't justify the cost / afford it gives you no justifiable reason to go and download it illegally.

However, you do hit on one point that I would 100% agree with you on and that's DRM. I still don't get why I can legally rip a CD (and very easily) but to do the same with a DVD / Blu Ray is still illegal and a pain in the ass to do so.

Edited By: ipswich78 on Dec 09, 2014 13:23
banned#12
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
moonkeh
Edot123
moonkeh
Building a new gaming PC and I don't have a Windows licence. Where is the best, cheapest place to purchase a Windows 8.1 key? I've spotted a few on Amazon in the region of £40 which is managable, but they don't come with a disk and I'm not sure how to go about getting the actual software ready to install on a brand-new build (i.e. not updating from an existing pc).The only other computers I have available are my Mac laptop and my girlfriend's Windows 8 pc (but I don't want to use her licence or anything).Any advice?

There are other ways to get keys

Trying to remain above board :)

Good for you! There is no excuse for Piracy.

Apart from overpriced, poorly supported software. Over priced Films, Over priced Music. Apart from that ; there's no excuse.

I don't know of any company which 'forces' you to buy their software, watch their film or listen to their music? And the irony of your comment above is how would you expect prices to decrease when people are pirating, rather than paying the market price for their product.

It worked with music, the music industry realised towards the end of the 90s that people would not pay 12.99 for a cd and more people were now downloading. So they reduced the prices to a standard price of 7.99 an album or 79p a song, making it more affordable. The film industry is slowly getting there, with downloading services starting to undercut each other.

While I don't condone piracy, I fully understand the reasons for it. People don't want to pay £15.00 for a new film and have a box gathering dust on a shelf. These days they want to go online, download it to their media centre / nas and watch it, then go on to the next one. Perhaps keeping a saved copy if it's any good. It's no good to be all self righteous about it, the irony of your comment is you are basically telling them the prices they charge are ok by buying them, therefore the price will never come down.

Re: the op, when I was forced by microsoft to buy 8.1, I found amazon the cheapest.

But you are talking purely about the cost i.e. £15 for a film, just because they don't want to pay £15 for it doesn't justify downloading it illegally. I want a Ferrari, I don't want to pay upwards of £120k for one as such I can't afford it so I go without. The same applies to anything, just because you can't justify the cost / afford it gives you no justifiable reason to go and download it illegally.

However, you do hit on one point that I would 100% agree with you on and that's DRM. I still don't get why I can legally rip a CD (and very easily) but to do the same with a DVD / Blu Ray is still illegal and a pain in the ass to do so.

Actually from June 1st 2014 it is now completely legal to rip a dvd that you own.
#13
Musician
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
moonkeh
Edot123
moonkeh
Building a new gaming PC and I don't have a Windows licence. Where is the best, cheapest place to purchase a Windows 8.1 key? I've spotted a few on Amazon in the region of £40 which is managable, but they don't come with a disk and I'm not sure how to go about getting the actual software ready to install on a brand-new build (i.e. not updating from an existing pc).The only other computers I have available are my Mac laptop and my girlfriend's Windows 8 pc (but I don't want to use her licence or anything).Any advice?

There are other ways to get keys

Trying to remain above board :)

Good for you! There is no excuse for Piracy.

Apart from overpriced, poorly supported software. Over priced Films, Over priced Music. Apart from that ; there's no excuse.

I don't know of any company which 'forces' you to buy their software, watch their film or listen to their music? And the irony of your comment above is how would you expect prices to decrease when people are pirating, rather than paying the market price for their product.

It worked with music, the music industry realised towards the end of the 90s that people would not pay 12.99 for a cd and more people were now downloading. So they reduced the prices to a standard price of 7.99 an album or 79p a song, making it more affordable. The film industry is slowly getting there, with downloading services starting to undercut each other.

While I don't condone piracy, I fully understand the reasons for it. People don't want to pay £15.00 for a new film and have a box gathering dust on a shelf. These days they want to go online, download it to their media centre / nas and watch it, then go on to the next one. Perhaps keeping a saved copy if it's any good. It's no good to be all self righteous about it, the irony of your comment is you are basically telling them the prices they charge are ok by buying them, therefore the price will never come down.

Re: the op, when I was forced by microsoft to buy 8.1, I found amazon the cheapest.

But you are talking purely about the cost i.e. £15 for a film, just because they don't want to pay £15 for it doesn't justify downloading it illegally. I want a Ferrari, I don't want to pay upwards of £120k for one as such I can't afford it so I go without. The same applies to anything, just because you can't justify the cost / afford it gives you no justifiable reason to go and download it illegally.

However, you do hit on one point that I would 100% agree with you on and that's DRM. I still don't get why I can legally rip a CD (and very easily) but to do the same with a DVD / Blu Ray is still illegal and a pain in the ass to do so.

Actually from June 1st 2014 it is now completely legal to rip a dvd that you own.

Definitely? Wouldn't there still be some 'legal' issues around circumnavigating the anti piracy DRM though? Pity it isn't as easy as popping in your DVD and extracting the files as per iTunes and CD's.
banned#14
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
moonkeh
Edot123
moonkeh
Building a new gaming PC and I don't have a Windows licence. Where is the best, cheapest place to purchase a Windows 8.1 key? I've spotted a few on Amazon in the region of £40 which is managable, but they don't come with a disk and I'm not sure how to go about getting the actual software ready to install on a brand-new build (i.e. not updating from an existing pc).The only other computers I have available are my Mac laptop and my girlfriend's Windows 8 pc (but I don't want to use her licence or anything).Any advice?

There are other ways to get keys

Trying to remain above board :)

Good for you! There is no excuse for Piracy.

Apart from overpriced, poorly supported software. Over priced Films, Over priced Music. Apart from that ; there's no excuse.

I don't know of any company which 'forces' you to buy their software, watch their film or listen to their music? And the irony of your comment above is how would you expect prices to decrease when people are pirating, rather than paying the market price for their product.

It worked with music, the music industry realised towards the end of the 90s that people would not pay 12.99 for a cd and more people were now downloading. So they reduced the prices to a standard price of 7.99 an album or 79p a song, making it more affordable. The film industry is slowly getting there, with downloading services starting to undercut each other.

While I don't condone piracy, I fully understand the reasons for it. People don't want to pay £15.00 for a new film and have a box gathering dust on a shelf. These days they want to go online, download it to their media centre / nas and watch it, then go on to the next one. Perhaps keeping a saved copy if it's any good. It's no good to be all self righteous about it, the irony of your comment is you are basically telling them the prices they charge are ok by buying them, therefore the price will never come down.

Re: the op, when I was forced by microsoft to buy 8.1, I found amazon the cheapest.

But you are talking purely about the cost i.e. £15 for a film, just because they don't want to pay £15 for it doesn't justify downloading it illegally. I want a Ferrari, I don't want to pay upwards of £120k for one as such I can't afford it so I go without. The same applies to anything, just because you can't justify the cost / afford it gives you no justifiable reason to go and download it illegally.

However, you do hit on one point that I would 100% agree with you on and that's DRM. I still don't get why I can legally rip a CD (and very easily) but to do the same with a DVD / Blu Ray is still illegal and a pain in the ass to do so.

Actually from June 1st 2014 it is now completely legal to rip a dvd that you own.

Definitely? Wouldn't there still be some 'legal' issues around circumnavigating the anti piracy DRM though? Pity it isn't as easy as popping in your DVD and extracting the files as per iTunes and CD's.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10733913/UK-government-to-legalise-DVD-and-CD-ripping.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-29448058
#15
WHAT THE HELL DID I START
#16
moonkeh
WHAT THE HELL DID I START

Haha very true. Did the solutions above help with your issue?
#17
moonkeh
WHAT THE HELL DID I START

yeah , I know it doesn't take them long to go off topic and start babbeling about films , music and piracy on the high seas.

But , I have a Windows 8 netbook with no serial key , I was reading about Microsoft embedding the key in the BIOS [dont like that idea] on some machines . I downloaded the W8 version above for backup . I'm familiar with magicjellybean for reading the keys but surely it cannot read the BIOS . I am considering changing the drive to a SSD and have bought one already but dont know how I'm going to put Windows8 on it easily.
banned#18
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
moonkeh
Edot123
moonkeh
Building a new gaming PC and I don't have a Windows licence. Where is the best, cheapest place to purchase a Windows 8.1 key? I've spotted a few on Amazon in the region of £40 which is managable, but they don't come with a disk and I'm not sure how to go about getting the actual software ready to install on a brand-new build (i.e. not updating from an existing pc).The only other computers I have available are my Mac laptop and my girlfriend's Windows 8 pc (but I don't want to use her licence or anything).Any advice?

There are other ways to get keys

Trying to remain above board :)

Good for you! There is no excuse for Piracy.

Apart from overpriced, poorly supported software. Over priced Films, Over priced Music. Apart from that ; there's no excuse.

I don't know of any company which 'forces' you to buy their software, watch their film or listen to their music? And the irony of your comment above is how would you expect prices to decrease when people are pirating, rather than paying the market price for their product.

It worked with music, the music industry realised towards the end of the 90s that people would not pay 12.99 for a cd and more people were now downloading. So they reduced the prices to a standard price of 7.99 an album or 79p a song, making it more affordable. The film industry is slowly getting there, with downloading services starting to undercut each other.

While I don't condone piracy, I fully understand the reasons for it. People don't want to pay £15.00 for a new film and have a box gathering dust on a shelf. These days they want to go online, download it to their media centre / nas and watch it, then go on to the next one. Perhaps keeping a saved copy if it's any good. It's no good to be all self righteous about it, the irony of your comment is you are basically telling them the prices they charge are ok by buying them, therefore the price will never come down.

Re: the op, when I was forced by microsoft to buy 8.1, I found amazon the cheapest.

But you are talking purely about the cost i.e. £15 for a film, just because they don't want to pay £15 for it doesn't justify downloading it illegally. I want a Ferrari, I don't want to pay upwards of £120k for one as such I can't afford it so I go without. The same applies to anything, just because you can't justify the cost / afford it gives you no justifiable reason to go and download it illegally.

However, you do hit on one point that I would 100% agree with you on and that's DRM. I still don't get why I can legally rip a CD (and very easily) but to do the same with a DVD / Blu Ray is still illegal and a pain in the ass to do so.

Actually from June 1st 2014 it is now completely legal to rip a dvd that you own.

Definitely? Wouldn't there still be some 'legal' issues around circumnavigating the anti piracy DRM though? Pity it isn't as easy as popping in your DVD and extracting the files as per iTunes and CD's.

https://handbrake.fr/ cracks drm, but not cinavia.

I don't know where the legality's stand on ripping then selling your dvd's to cex etc, then keeping the copy. I guess there is nothing to stop one downloading a rip and then saying they used to own it. That's where it gets complicated. Perhaps you need to hold the hard copy still, I don't know.
banned#19
moonkeh
WHAT THE HELL DID I START

yeah sorry dude for hijacking your thread, got carried away with the conversation...
#20
Musician
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
moonkeh
Edot123
moonkeh
Building a new gaming PC and I don't have a Windows licence. Where is the best, cheapest place to purchase a Windows 8.1 key? I've spotted a few on Amazon in the region of £40 which is managable, but they don't come with a disk and I'm not sure how to go about getting the actual software ready to install on a brand-new build (i.e. not updating from an existing pc).The only other computers I have available are my Mac laptop and my girlfriend's Windows 8 pc (but I don't want to use her licence or anything).Any advice?

There are other ways to get keys

Trying to remain above board :)

Good for you! There is no excuse for Piracy.

Apart from overpriced, poorly supported software. Over priced Films, Over priced Music. Apart from that ; there's no excuse.

I don't know of any company which 'forces' you to buy their software, watch their film or listen to their music? And the irony of your comment above is how would you expect prices to decrease when people are pirating, rather than paying the market price for their product.

It worked with music, the music industry realised towards the end of the 90s that people would not pay 12.99 for a cd and more people were now downloading. So they reduced the prices to a standard price of 7.99 an album or 79p a song, making it more affordable. The film industry is slowly getting there, with downloading services starting to undercut each other.

While I don't condone piracy, I fully understand the reasons for it. People don't want to pay £15.00 for a new film and have a box gathering dust on a shelf. These days they want to go online, download it to their media centre / nas and watch it, then go on to the next one. Perhaps keeping a saved copy if it's any good. It's no good to be all self righteous about it, the irony of your comment is you are basically telling them the prices they charge are ok by buying them, therefore the price will never come down.

Re: the op, when I was forced by microsoft to buy 8.1, I found amazon the cheapest.

But you are talking purely about the cost i.e. £15 for a film, just because they don't want to pay £15 for it doesn't justify downloading it illegally. I want a Ferrari, I don't want to pay upwards of £120k for one as such I can't afford it so I go without. The same applies to anything, just because you can't justify the cost / afford it gives you no justifiable reason to go and download it illegally.

However, you do hit on one point that I would 100% agree with you on and that's DRM. I still don't get why I can legally rip a CD (and very easily) but to do the same with a DVD / Blu Ray is still illegal and a pain in the ass to do so.

Actually from June 1st 2014 it is now completely legal to rip a dvd that you own.

Definitely? Wouldn't there still be some 'legal' issues around circumnavigating the anti piracy DRM though? Pity it isn't as easy as popping in your DVD and extracting the files as per iTunes and CD's.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10733913/UK-government-to-legalise-DVD-and-CD-ripping.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-29448058
Musician
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
moonkeh
Edot123
moonkeh
Building a new gaming PC and I don't have a Windows licence. Where is the best, cheapest place to purchase a Windows 8.1 key? I've spotted a few on Amazon in the region of £40 which is managable, but they don't come with a disk and I'm not sure how to go about getting the actual software ready to install on a brand-new build (i.e. not updating from an existing pc).The only other computers I have available are my Mac laptop and my girlfriend's Windows 8 pc (but I don't want to use her licence or anything).Any advice?

There are other ways to get keys

Trying to remain above board :)

Good for you! There is no excuse for Piracy.

Apart from overpriced, poorly supported software. Over priced Films, Over priced Music. Apart from that ; there's no excuse.

I don't know of any company which 'forces' you to buy their software, watch their film or listen to their music? And the irony of your comment above is how would you expect prices to decrease when people are pirating, rather than paying the market price for their product.

It worked with music, the music industry realised towards the end of the 90s that people would not pay 12.99 for a cd and more people were now downloading. So they reduced the prices to a standard price of 7.99 an album or 79p a song, making it more affordable. The film industry is slowly getting there, with downloading services starting to undercut each other.

While I don't condone piracy, I fully understand the reasons for it. People don't want to pay £15.00 for a new film and have a box gathering dust on a shelf. These days they want to go online, download it to their media centre / nas and watch it, then go on to the next one. Perhaps keeping a saved copy if it's any good. It's no good to be all self righteous about it, the irony of your comment is you are basically telling them the prices they charge are ok by buying them, therefore the price will never come down.

Re: the op, when I was forced by microsoft to buy 8.1, I found amazon the cheapest.

But you are talking purely about the cost i.e. £15 for a film, just because they don't want to pay £15 for it doesn't justify downloading it illegally. I want a Ferrari, I don't want to pay upwards of £120k for one as such I can't afford it so I go without. The same applies to anything, just because you can't justify the cost / afford it gives you no justifiable reason to go and download it illegally.

However, you do hit on one point that I would 100% agree with you on and that's DRM. I still don't get why I can legally rip a CD (and very easily) but to do the same with a DVD / Blu Ray is still illegal and a pain in the ass to do so.

Actually from June 1st 2014 it is now completely legal to rip a dvd that you own.

Definitely? Wouldn't there still be some 'legal' issues around circumnavigating the anti piracy DRM though? Pity it isn't as easy as popping in your DVD and extracting the files as per iTunes and CD's.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10733913/UK-government-to-legalise-DVD-and-CD-ripping.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-29448058

Interesting. I knew the law had changed for CD's but didn't realise other forms of media were included.

I found this paragraph interesting, especially the last sentence.

"The IPO warned that some media, such as DVDs, are often protected by anti-copying technology to guard against copyright piracy, and this is protected by law. Copyright owners will still be able to apply this protection. However, if copy protection is too restrictive, consumers can raise a complaint with the Secretary of State."
#21
ricko
moonkeh
WHAT THE HELL DID I START

yeah , I know it doesn't take them long to go off topic and start babbeling about films , music and piracy on the high seas.

But , I have a Windows 8 netbook with no serial key , I was reading about Microsoft embedding the key in the BIOS [dont like that idea] on some machines . I downloaded the W8 version above for backup . I'm familiar with magicjellybean for reading the keys but surely it cannot read the BIOS . I am considering changing the drive to a SSD and have bought one already but dont know how I'm going to put Windows8 on it easily.

Some SSDs (such as Samsung I believe) come with instructions on how to do deal with the migration.
#22
Musician
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
moonkeh
Edot123
moonkeh
Building a new gaming PC and I don't have a Windows licence. Where is the best, cheapest place to purchase a Windows 8.1 key? I've spotted a few on Amazon in the region of £40 which is managable, but they don't come with a disk and I'm not sure how to go about getting the actual software ready to install on a brand-new build (i.e. not updating from an existing pc).The only other computers I have available are my Mac laptop and my girlfriend's Windows 8 pc (but I don't want to use her licence or anything).Any advice?

There are other ways to get keys

Trying to remain above board :)

Good for you! There is no excuse for Piracy.

Apart from overpriced, poorly supported software. Over priced Films, Over priced Music. Apart from that ; there's no excuse.

I don't know of any company which 'forces' you to buy their software, watch their film or listen to their music? And the irony of your comment above is how would you expect prices to decrease when people are pirating, rather than paying the market price for their product.

It worked with music, the music industry realised towards the end of the 90s that people would not pay 12.99 for a cd and more people were now downloading. So they reduced the prices to a standard price of 7.99 an album or 79p a song, making it more affordable. The film industry is slowly getting there, with downloading services starting to undercut each other.

While I don't condone piracy, I fully understand the reasons for it. People don't want to pay £15.00 for a new film and have a box gathering dust on a shelf. These days they want to go online, download it to their media centre / nas and watch it, then go on to the next one. Perhaps keeping a saved copy if it's any good. It's no good to be all self righteous about it, the irony of your comment is you are basically telling them the prices they charge are ok by buying them, therefore the price will never come down.

Re: the op, when I was forced by microsoft to buy 8.1, I found amazon the cheapest.

But you are talking purely about the cost i.e. £15 for a film, just because they don't want to pay £15 for it doesn't justify downloading it illegally. I want a Ferrari, I don't want to pay upwards of £120k for one as such I can't afford it so I go without. The same applies to anything, just because you can't justify the cost / afford it gives you no justifiable reason to go and download it illegally.

However, you do hit on one point that I would 100% agree with you on and that's DRM. I still don't get why I can legally rip a CD (and very easily) but to do the same with a DVD / Blu Ray is still illegal and a pain in the ass to do so.

Actually from June 1st 2014 it is now completely legal to rip a dvd that you own.

Definitely? Wouldn't there still be some 'legal' issues around circumnavigating the anti piracy DRM though? Pity it isn't as easy as popping in your DVD and extracting the files as per iTunes and CD's.

https://handbrake.fr/ cracks drm, but not cinavia.

I don't know where the legality's stand on ripping then selling your dvd's to cex etc, then keeping the copy. I guess there is nothing to stop one downloading a rip and then saying they used to own it. That's where it gets complicated. Perhaps you need to hold the hard copy still, I don't know.

'Legally' you cannot do that, it does say in the article that it is still illegal for you to make a backup then sell the original.
banned#23
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
moonkeh
Edot123
moonkeh
Building a new gaming PC and I don't have a Windows licence. Where is the best, cheapest place to purchase a Windows 8.1 key? I've spotted a few on Amazon in the region of £40 which is managable, but they don't come with a disk and I'm not sure how to go about getting the actual software ready to install on a brand-new build (i.e. not updating from an existing pc).The only other computers I have available are my Mac laptop and my girlfriend's Windows 8 pc (but I don't want to use her licence or anything).Any advice?

There are other ways to get keys

Trying to remain above board :)

Good for you! There is no excuse for Piracy.

Apart from overpriced, poorly supported software. Over priced Films, Over priced Music. Apart from that ; there's no excuse.

I don't know of any company which 'forces' you to buy their software, watch their film or listen to their music? And the irony of your comment above is how would you expect prices to decrease when people are pirating, rather than paying the market price for their product.

It worked with music, the music industry realised towards the end of the 90s that people would not pay 12.99 for a cd and more people were now downloading. So they reduced the prices to a standard price of 7.99 an album or 79p a song, making it more affordable. The film industry is slowly getting there, with downloading services starting to undercut each other.

While I don't condone piracy, I fully understand the reasons for it. People don't want to pay £15.00 for a new film and have a box gathering dust on a shelf. These days they want to go online, download it to their media centre / nas and watch it, then go on to the next one. Perhaps keeping a saved copy if it's any good. It's no good to be all self righteous about it, the irony of your comment is you are basically telling them the prices they charge are ok by buying them, therefore the price will never come down.

Re: the op, when I was forced by microsoft to buy 8.1, I found amazon the cheapest.

But you are talking purely about the cost i.e. £15 for a film, just because they don't want to pay £15 for it doesn't justify downloading it illegally. I want a Ferrari, I don't want to pay upwards of £120k for one as such I can't afford it so I go without. The same applies to anything, just because you can't justify the cost / afford it gives you no justifiable reason to go and download it illegally.

However, you do hit on one point that I would 100% agree with you on and that's DRM. I still don't get why I can legally rip a CD (and very easily) but to do the same with a DVD / Blu Ray is still illegal and a pain in the ass to do so.

Actually from June 1st 2014 it is now completely legal to rip a dvd that you own.

Definitely? Wouldn't there still be some 'legal' issues around circumnavigating the anti piracy DRM though? Pity it isn't as easy as popping in your DVD and extracting the files as per iTunes and CD's.

https://handbrake.fr/ cracks drm, but not cinavia.

I don't know where the legality's stand on ripping then selling your dvd's to cex etc, then keeping the copy. I guess there is nothing to stop one downloading a rip and then saying they used to own it. That's where it gets complicated. Perhaps you need to hold the hard copy still, I don't know.

'Legally' you cannot do that, it does say in the article that it is still illegal for you to make a backup then sell the original.

So say you "lost" or "lent" the original, would that mean you would have to delete your rip ? to stay within the law
#24
Musician
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
Musician
ipswich78
moonkeh
Edot123
moonkeh
Building a new gaming PC and I don't have a Windows licence. Where is the best, cheapest place to purchase a Windows 8.1 key? I've spotted a few on Amazon in the region of £40 which is managable, but they don't come with a disk and I'm not sure how to go about getting the actual software ready to install on a brand-new build (i.e. not updating from an existing pc).The only other computers I have available are my Mac laptop and my girlfriend's Windows 8 pc (but I don't want to use her licence or anything).Any advice?

There are other ways to get keys

Trying to remain above board :)

Good for you! There is no excuse for Piracy.

Apart from overpriced, poorly supported software. Over priced Films, Over priced Music. Apart from that ; there's no excuse.

I don't know of any company which 'forces' you to buy their software, watch their film or listen to their music? And the irony of your comment above is how would you expect prices to decrease when people are pirating, rather than paying the market price for their product.

It worked with music, the music industry realised towards the end of the 90s that people would not pay 12.99 for a cd and more people were now downloading. So they reduced the prices to a standard price of 7.99 an album or 79p a song, making it more affordable. The film industry is slowly getting there, with downloading services starting to undercut each other.

While I don't condone piracy, I fully understand the reasons for it. People don't want to pay £15.00 for a new film and have a box gathering dust on a shelf. These days they want to go online, download it to their media centre / nas and watch it, then go on to the next one. Perhaps keeping a saved copy if it's any good. It's no good to be all self righteous about it, the irony of your comment is you are basically telling them the prices they charge are ok by buying them, therefore the price will never come down.

Re: the op, when I was forced by microsoft to buy 8.1, I found amazon the cheapest.

But you are talking purely about the cost i.e. £15 for a film, just because they don't want to pay £15 for it doesn't justify downloading it illegally. I want a Ferrari, I don't want to pay upwards of £120k for one as such I can't afford it so I go without. The same applies to anything, just because you can't justify the cost / afford it gives you no justifiable reason to go and download it illegally.

However, you do hit on one point that I would 100% agree with you on and that's DRM. I still don't get why I can legally rip a CD (and very easily) but to do the same with a DVD / Blu Ray is still illegal and a pain in the ass to do so.

Actually from June 1st 2014 it is now completely legal to rip a dvd that you own.

Definitely? Wouldn't there still be some 'legal' issues around circumnavigating the anti piracy DRM though? Pity it isn't as easy as popping in your DVD and extracting the files as per iTunes and CD's.

https://handbrake.fr/ cracks drm, but not cinavia.

I don't know where the legality's stand on ripping then selling your dvd's to cex etc, then keeping the copy. I guess there is nothing to stop one downloading a rip and then saying they used to own it. That's where it gets complicated. Perhaps you need to hold the hard copy still, I don't know.

'Legally' you cannot do that, it does say in the article that it is still illegal for you to make a backup then sell the original.

So say you "lost" or "lent" the original, would that mean you would have to delete your rip ? to stay within the law

I think you know the answer to that one.
#25
ricko
moonkeh
WHAT THE HELL DID I START

yeah , I know it doesn't take them long to go off topic and start babbeling about films , music and piracy on the high seas.

But , I have a Windows 8 netbook with no serial key , I was reading about Microsoft embedding the key in the BIOS [dont like that idea] on some machines . I downloaded the W8 version above for backup . I'm familiar with magicjellybean for reading the keys but surely it cannot read the BIOS . I am considering changing the drive to a SSD and have bought one already but dont know how I'm going to put Windows8 on it easily.

Which one above? The link by bobdylan which I marked as favourite answer?
Honestly part of me wants to resort to "other" methods, they sure don't make it easy.
#26
I'm positive it was from this link : http://windows.microsoft.com/is-is/windows-8/upgrade-product-key-only
the other week I downloaded the Windows8 iso , I did download it , it's on my other laptop.
In fact I'm sure I downloaded 2 iso's .
I may be wrong about the link though ,but they were definetly available for download from one site [and legit too] .
I will check later on my laptop .
#27
Buying the W8 keys from Amazon is probably OK, but I wouldn't risk buying one from eBay, as there's no way of telling if it's been activated previously. I know you didn't suggest using eBay, but it is something to think about.
#28
I did download them the other week :

en_windows_8_1_pro_vl_x64_dvd_2971948.iso [3,761,858 KB]
en_windows_8_1_pro_vl_x96_dvd_2972633.iso [2,832,882 KB]

these were from an legit source to be used where there is no backup disk or OS on a hidden partition .

You just need to supply your own key or as OP needs to purchase one .

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