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Which PC do you think is the better deal out of these two: http://www.ebuyer.com/770829-hp-285-g2-mt-desktop-pc-z2k09ea-abu or CCL Computer Alpha Range: AMD A8 7650K 3.3GHz CPU 8GB DDR3 1… Read More
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2m, 1w agoPosted 2 months, 1 week ago
Which PC do you think is the better deal out of these two:

http://www.ebuyer.com/770829-hp-285-g2-mt-desktop-pc-z2k09ea-abu

or

CCL Computer Alpha Range:

AMD A8 7650K 3.3GHz CPU
8GB DDR3 1600MHz Memory
Gigabyte GA-F2A78M-HD2 Motherboard
Radeon R7 Graphics
256GB Solid State Drive
DVD Drive
300Mbps Built-in Wi-Fi
Microsoft Windows 10 Home
3 Year Collect & Return Warranty
£415
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2m, 1w agoPosted 2 months, 1 week ago
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#1
Either would do for office/light media use.
#2
Ok thanks. They both seem to be the same spec- is that right? But the Ebuyer deal is £40 cheaper. However, CCL Computers has a 3 year warranty, so that's why I couldn't decide between the two.
#3
khaleeji
Ok thanks. They both seem to be the same spec- is that right? But the Ebuyer deal is £40 cheaper. However, CCL Computers has a 3 year warranty, so that's why I couldn't decide between the two.
They are very similar with the 7600B more efficient but the 7650K higher clocked (so comes out on top in bench marks but not hugely so)

Similar chipsets (not sure one I would choose to invest in that this exact moment) - both don't state which SSD's.

The other big difference is one has Windows 10 Home the other Professional. Quite like Hyper-V in pro edition.

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/feature/windows/windows-10-home-vs-windows-10-pro-uk-difference-3618710/
#4

Similar chipsets (not sure one I would choose to invest in that this exact moment) - both don't state which SSD's.

The CCL one has this SSD: 256GB Adata SU800 SSD

hat do you mean about the chipsets? Aren't they very good?
The other big difference is one has Windows 10 Home the other Professional. Quite like Hyper-V in pro edition.

The Windows difference isn't really an issue for me- both are fine for my use.

The Ebuyer deal is HP, and that's what what putting me off it slightly.
The tower looks better on the CCL Computers deal: https://www.cclonline.com/pc/home-pcs/alpha/#customise-02010202050200000000000001

But then I think for a saving of £40, is it worth it?
#5
CCL Computers has a 3 year warranty.
7600B is a more efficient 45w htpc part. The 7650K is a full blown 95w desktop and the fastest APU in that range, its clocked 25% higher and has a much bigger, (better) graphics core. However, I would think a CPU and dGPU would offer better performance for the money, its worth a look.
#6

Similar chipsets (not sure one I would choose to invest in that this exact moment) - both don't state which SSD's.

The CCL one has this SSD: 256GB Adata SU800 SSD

hat do you mean about the chipsets? Aren't they very good?
The other big difference is one has Windows 10 Home the other Professional. Quite like Hyper-V in pro edition.

The Windows difference isn't really an issue for me- both are fine for my use.

The Ebuyer deal is HP, and that's what what putting me off it slightly.
The tower looks better on the CCL Computers deal: https://www.cclonline.com/pc/home-pcs/alpha/#customise-02010202050200000000000001

But then I think for a saving of £40, is it worth it?
#7

Similar chipsets (not sure one I would choose to invest in that this exact moment) - both don't state which SSD's.

The CCL one has this SSD: 256GB Adata SU800 SSD

hat do you mean about the chipsets? Aren't they very good?
The other big difference is one has Windows 10 Home the other Professional. Quite like Hyper-V in pro edition.

The Windows difference isn't really an issue for me- both are fine for my use.

The Ebuyer deal is HP, and that's what is putting me off it slightly.
The tower looks better on the CCL Computers deal: https://www.cclonline.com/pc/home-pcs/alpha/#features-02010002050200000000000001

I also noticed that the Ebuyer one says: 4MB cache, but the CCL Computer tower has 64MB Data buffer/RAM

Is this significant?
#8
I think for a saving of £40, is it worth it?
Nope
#9

Similar chipsets (not sure one I would choose to invest in that this exact moment) - both don't state which SSD's.

The CCL one has this SSD: 256GB Adata SU800 SSD

hat do you mean about the chipsets? Aren't they very good?
The other big difference is one has Windows 10 Home the other Professional. Quite like Hyper-V in pro edition.

The Windows difference isn't really an issue for me- both are fine for my use.

The Ebuyer deal is HP, and that's what is putting me off it slightly.
The tower looks better on the CCL Computers deal: https://www.cclonline.com/pc/home-pcs/alpha/#features-02010002050200000000000001

I also noticed that the Ebuyer one says: 4MB cache, but the CCL Computer tower has 64MB Data buffer/RAM

Is this significant?
#10

Similar chipsets (not sure one I would choose to invest in that this exact moment) - both don't state which SSD's.

The CCL one has this SSD: 256GB Adata SU800 SSD

hat do you mean about the chipsets? Aren't they very good?
The other big difference is one has Windows 10 Home the other Professional. Quite like Hyper-V in pro edition.

The Windows difference isn't really an issue for me- both are fine for my use.

The Ebuyer deal is HP, and that's what is putting me off it slightly.
The tower looks better on the CCL Computers deal: https://www.cclonline.com/pc/home-pcs/alpha/#features-02010002050200000000000001

I also noticed that the Ebuyer one says: 4MB cache, but the CCL Computer tower has 64MB Data buffer/RAM

Is this significant?
#11
Bertz99

Similar chipsets (not sure one I would choose to invest in that this exact moment) - both don't state which SSD's.
I mean that AMD is presently positioning itself to release their Ry/Zen range of CPU's next month which moves onto their next gen chipsets and will have AM4 sockets for all their future CPU's and APU's.

Otherwise I am with bazdotdoc that a discreet cpu (at present intel lead convincing there) with discreet graphics is where better value is - although this may suit your use that I don not think you have actually stated ;)
Good luck though



Edited By: Bertz99 on Feb 18, 2017 15:23
#12
Ah yes I read the thread about the new AMD Ryzen chips, but they will be a lot more than I want to spend.

I want the PC for general internet, photoshop and spreadsheets. But I want something that will last a good few years.

Intel i5 quad core with SSD were over £500. My max budget is £400.

I thought this was comparable to intel i5 so would be just as good? And the prices seemed the best around. But I gratefully welcome any suggestions fora similar option in Intel, for my usage needs.
#13
bazdotdoc
CCL Computers has a 3 year warranty.
7600B is a more efficient 45w htpc part. The 7650K is a full blown 95w desktop and the fastest APU in that range, its clocked 25% higher and has a much bigger, (better) graphics core. However, I would think a CPU and dGPU would offer better performance for the money, its worth a look.

I think you're getting the A8-7600 mixed up with something else there. The two CPUs are almost identical:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9217/the-amd-a8-7650k-apu-review-also-new-testing-methodology/4

(The A8-7600 and A8 PRO-7600B are identical, the latter just has support for business features).

Bertz99
Bertz99

Similar chipsets (not sure one I would choose to invest in that this exact moment) - both don't state which SSD's.
I mean that AMD is presently positioning itself to release their Ry/Zen range of CPU's next month which moves onto their next gen chipsets and will have AM4 sockets for all their future CPU's and APU's.

Only the high end Ryzen models will be releasing next month, the mainstream ones are much later in the year. The motherboards are compatible with the updated 9000 series APUs though, so AMD may make them available to the everyone rather than just major computer manufacturers.


You don't say what you want it for but I'd either opt for an i3-6100 system and fit the SSD and extra memory myself or the latest G3930/G4560/G4600 to get the HEVC video decoder. Maybe one a A8-9600/A10-9700/A12-9800 based system too if you can find them discounted.

The only real advantage of the A8-76#0 is slightly more GPU power and I guess that's not important to you if you're looking at systems with single channel memory (which will impact it).

EDIT: Ninja'd
khaleeji
I thought this was comparable to intel i5 so would be just as good? And the prices seemed the best around. But I gratefully welcome any suggestions fora similar option in Intel, for my usage needs.

They're closest to Intel Celerons and Pentiums like the newest G3930 or older G4400 in CPU power, an i5 is nearly twice as fast (in quad core workloads).

For CPU heavy stuff like photoshop and spreadsheets on an £400 budget I'd be looking for an i3-6100 with a 240GB SSD and 8GB of memory, a good deal if you can find it pre-assembled and certainly doable if you add them yourself.

Edited By: EndlessWaves on Feb 18, 2017 16:33
#14
khaleeji
Ah yes I read the thread about the new AMD Ryzen chips, but they will be a lot more than I want to spend.
I want the PC for general internet, photoshop and spreadsheets. But I want something that will last a good few years.
Intel i5 quad core with SSD were over £500. My max budget is £400.
I thought this was comparable to intel i5 so would be just as good? And the prices seemed the best around. But I gratefully welcome any suggestions fora similar option in Intel, for my usage needs.

Yeah - I wasn't suggesting buying a Ry/zen for yourself - just that the market is about to change and that may make some interesting offers next month rather than buying now.

As Endless wave has just updated the i3 6100 is better suited to the requirements you are listing and an i5 is in completely a different league, check this benchmark to see how much:
https://us.hardware.info/reviews/6094/15/amd-vs-intel-57-processor-megatest-benchmarks-igpu-adobe-photoshop-cs6

Another route though rather than desktop offerings is to consider the entry level servers that are really desktops in all but name. E.g. the e3-1226 v3 is highly comparable to an i5 and often included in offers with cashback that you couldn't build at. Of course the downside of that route is adding the memory, ssd, os and building it up yourself rather than being supplied complete.

Anyway good luck and hope you enjoy whatever you go for


Edited By: Bertz99 on Feb 18, 2017 17:14
#15
Yeah - I wasn't suggesting buying a Ry/zen for yourself - just that the market is about to change and that may make some interesting offers next month rather than buying now.

I see what you're saying- it might be good to wait two weeks to see if the prices of the older chips come down. Something to think about... thanks.

I have just been looking around for i3 6100 and there is nothing under £400 with SSD and 8GB RAM. :(

Building myself isn't an option for me- I don't have the experience unfortunately.
#16
khaleeji
Building myself isn't an option for me- I don't have the experience unfortunately.

Anyone can add RAM, it's just a card you push into a slot.

Adding an SSD is slightly more involved as you have to install windows to it, but it's not particularly complicated.
#17
Ok I have found this one on Ebuyer (i3 6100) for under £400 with 4GB RAM, so I can maybe just buy the extra RAM and slot it in:

http://www.ebuyer.com/766658-hp-280-g2-mt-desktop-pc-z2k07ea-abu

Do you think this is better than that AMD model for my usage (light photoshop, spreadsheets):

http://www.ebuyer.com/770829-hp-285-g2-mt-desktop-pc-z2k09ea-abu

I wanted something that will last for a few years, because I don't want to keep updating it. I thought because the AMD 7600 has 4 cores, it will be a faster processor for doing many tasks at once.
#18
khaleeji
Ok I have found this one on Ebuyer (i3 6100) for under £400 with 4GB RAM, so I can maybe just buy the extra RAM and slot it in:http://www.ebuyer.com/766658-hp-280-g2-mt-desktop-pc-z2k07ea-abu
Do you think this is better than that AMD model for my usage (light photoshop, spreadsheets):http://www.ebuyer.com/770829-hp-285-g2-mt-desktop-pc-z2k09ea-abu

Generally yes, you can see from Bertz link what sort of difference to expect in photoshop. The similar i3-4370 will do a task in 38 seconds that takes an A8-7650k 58 seconds. That's a decent sized difference for the extra £25 it would cost to match the memory.

One advantage the AMD system has is that it's got a DisplayPort output so if you're looking at a HiDPI or 4K screen you probably wouldn't need to add a separate graphics card as you would with the Intel one.

khaleeji
I thought because the AMD 7600 has 4 cores, it will be a faster processor for doing many tasks at once.

It'll be a faster processor than the same design with fewer cores. Compared with a different design you can't say one way or another. In this case it's slower because the i3-6100 is a more capable design.




Edited By: EndlessWaves on Feb 18, 2017 20:19
#19
I'd always go for a known brand. HP/Compaq Dell Lenovo
#20
That's a decent sized difference for the extra £25 it would cost to match the memory.

Thank you so much for the advice, I have decided to go for the i3, looking at comparisons for those two chips, the i3 overall performs better. But where can I get 4GB RAM for £25? I've looked online at the cheapest i can find is £30.

One advantage the AMD system has is that it's got a DisplayPort output so if you're looking at a HiDPI or 4K screen you probably wouldn't need to add a separate graphics card as you would with the Intel one.


I have a HD monitor, this one: https://www.amazon.co.uk/AOC-e2460Sh-inch-LED-Monitor/dp/B00J4LIF4Y/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1487498586&sr=1-1

so I should be fine with the existing graphics card, right?

Thank you for your help!


Edited By: khaleeji on Feb 19, 2017 13:05: mistake
#21
khaleeji
That's a decent sized difference for the extra £25 it would cost to match the memory.
Thank you so much for the advice, I have decided to go for the i3, looking at comparisons for those two chips, the i3 overall performs better. But where can I get 4GB RAM for £25? I've looked online at the cheapest i can find is £30.
One advantage the AMD system has is that it's got a DisplayPort output so if you're looking at a HiDPI or 4K screen you probably wouldn't need to add a separate graphics card as you would with the Intel one.
I have a HD monitor, this one: https://www.amazon.co.uk/AOC-e2460Sh-inch-LED-Monitor/dp/B00J4LIF4Y/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1487498586&sr=1-1
so I should be fine with the existing graphics card, right?
Thank you for your help!
Palicomp is alternative to CCL you may consider (not that I dislike CCL). Palicomp do a basic i3 6100 system at £349 which you can configure. Removing the Hard disk, adding a 240GB Crucial SSD and increasing the ram to 8GB (shown as 2 modules) comes just over £431 without you having to do anything.
10 day lead time to build though I personally would hold off till next month and see if the next tier up has any offers as Ry/Zen comes out (no guarantee's)
#22
Bertz99 :Thank you for the recommendation- I've had a look at that site, but is a bit too much over £400 (my max budget was £400), so I would prefer to get the Ebuyer system and add the extra RAM for £30. But first I will ask my local PC shop if they can build me that spec for cheaper. I have a few old PCs so if they can give some money for them, it might work out cheaper.


Edited By: khaleeji on Feb 20, 2017 12:01
#23
khaleeji
Bertz99 :Thank you for the recommendation- I've had a look at that site, but is a bit too much over £400 (my max budget was £400), so I would prefer to get the Ebuyer system and add the extra RAM for £30. But first I will ask my local PC shop if they can build me that spec for cheaper. I have a few old PCs so if they can give some money for them, it might work out cheaper.
No worries

Personally I would be looking at something more like this:
https://www.serversdirect.co.uk/p/921947/lenovo-ts140-intel-xeon-e3-16-v3-1-x-1-tb-4gb-ram-tower-server

Lenovo have £100 cashback on it - by the time you have added the ram, ssd and OS this would also be over your budget albeit you would have an OS, App drive(SSD) and 1TB(HDD) storage on top.

Anyway good luck.

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