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Which Video Card for Gaming

lucki Avatar
9y, 7m agoPosted 9 years, 7 months ago
Which of these is the better card for gaming,

384MB nVidia GeForce 6100 Graphics
or
256MB PCI Express ATI RadeonX1300 Pro

I read that the MB is important but i am finding that the PCi Express one is more expensive

Im looking to spend £400 on a pc for gaming, at the moment torn between offers at PC World and Dell.

Can anybody help pleeeeaaassse

These are the two i am quite interested in at the moment...
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/store/pcw_page.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0565576124.1177077001@@@@&BV_EngineID=cccfaddkjjlllemcflgceggdhhmdfho.0&page=Product&sku=271889http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/store/pcw_page.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0565576124.1177077001@@@@&BV_EngineID=cccfaddkjjlllemcflgceggdhhmdfho.0&page=Product&sku=271889

http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?b=&c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&kc=DFS00002&l=en&oc=D04E06a&rbc=D04E06a&s=dhs&sbc=ukdhsftdppdesktop2http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?b=&c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&kc=DFS00002&l=en&oc=D04E06a&rbc=D04E06a&s=dhs&sbc=ukdhsftdppdesktop2
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9y, 7m agoPosted 9 years, 7 months ago
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#1
Neither will be very good for gaming tbh. You need to be looking at an ATI X1650 or NVIDIA 7600 as a bare minimum for a gaming system, particularly if you're planning on running Vista (something I'd certainly recommend against doing, it's so bad Dell have re-started selling systems with XP on).

Also the Memory on the 6100 is a tad misleading as it's an onboard chip and steals system resources. The X1300 is a standalone card and should beat the pants off the 6100.
#2
Oh and never buy a desktop from PC World, having previously worked for the Dixons Group I'd steer well clear.

Try http://www.meshcomputers.com/ or http://www.evesham.com/ or http://www.eclipsecomputers.com/systemlist.aspx?cat=1 or http://www.scan.co.uk/ or http://www.aria.co.uk/ or http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/store/26/cat/Home-PCs or there are a whole host of others worth a look that I can't remember off the top of my head.

But you'll struggle to get a gaming capable PC for £400 without building it yourself.
#3
Thank you megalomaniac that was really helpful (i really mean it!) especially your opinion on the vista system but it is getting harder to find new systems without it. MikeT posted a deal from Dell http://www.hotukdeals.com/deal/26801/dell-desktop-with-20-tft-1-8core2du Is this any better, it is almost 7600 but no xp!

I had heard PC World was rubbish but they have a £5 a month software support which I like the sound of!

I could never build my own, wouldnt know where to start and need it in 3 weeks as it is my sons birthday?!?!

Does anyone else no of any specific deals with xp and ATI X1650 or NVIDIA 7600 ready build pcs.... please :thumbsup:
#4
i got a Dell with the 1300 and it runs all my games fine
#5
dooberman
i got a Dell with the 1300 and it runs all my games fine


What games you playing though on what resolutions? If you start playing games like Counter Strike Source and Quake 4 online at a decent resolution, I think the 1300 will struggle.
#6
lucki
Thank you megalomaniac that was really helpful (i really mean it!) especially your opinion on the vista system but it is getting harder to find new systems without it. MikeT posted a deal from Dell http://www.hotukdeals.com/deal/26801/dell-desktop-with-20-tft-1-8core2du Is this any better, it is almost 7600 but no xp!

I had heard PC World was rubbish but they have a £5 a month software support which I like the sound of!

I could never build my own, wouldnt know where to start and need it in 3 weeks as it is my sons birthday?!?!

Does anyone else no of any specific deals with xp and ATI X1650 or NVIDIA 7600 ready build pcs.... please :thumbsup:


What games has he got in mind? You'll only need one of those cards for the newer games.

As for the software support, you'd be wasting your money. You can get better and quicker answers from a Google search, computers aren't as scary and difficult as the likes of PC world would have you believe. There are plenty of people on here who could point you in the right direction if you have a problem for free.

I'd also suggest saving money by not bothering to get things like Microsoft Office etc. and instead using Open Office, AVG anti Virus etc. they're generally better and 100% free and legal to boot . Look in the free software section for more information. The best thing about things like open office is that they have huge community's built up around them that are more than willing to help a new user.

Check out the links to the Evesham, Scan and Mesh sites, the beauty of those guys are the systems are customisable so for example with Evesham on their Platinum S system (starts at £379.00+VAT) for an extra £25 they will replace the on board 6100 with a 256Mb 7600. If you need any help with the terminology etc. just post here and someone will know.

Good luck
#7
Thanks, I did look at those sites but its really hard to see what I need. As for what sort of games.. i have no idea what games lads are into these days, i hve just been told i have to be careful with video cards! His cousin has call of duty so I suppose he might be playing that?!?! im off out to the pub now... it might look easier in the morning lol

Thanks for your help :-D
#8
megalomaniac
with Evesham on their Platinum S system (starts at £379.00+VAT) for an extra £25 they will replace the on board 6100 with a 256Mb 7600.


Is this a good system then, what is their customer service like and their reputation? Once you have added vat and a monitor it begins to add up :?
#9
evesham are one of the longest running companies in this sector with a large corporate client list to-boot....id recommend them to anyone not looking to build themselves!
#10
defard
evesham are one of the longest running companies in this sector with a large corporate client list to-boot....id recommend them to anyone not looking to build themselves!


Exactly what I would've said!

They'll cost you a few bob more than what appears to be a similar spec system from PC World etc. but you have to remember most of what PC World sell contains cheap components, so for example the memory will be the cheapest they can get away with etc. So in actual fact their systems aren't anything like as good as they appear on paper.

PC components are a bit like cars, the quality does make a difference. A base model Aston Martin will have better components (say 'Corsair' memory or 'Asus' graphics cards) than the base model Kia ('Major Brand' memory or some generic brand graphics card for example).

Not saying Evesham are up there with Aston Martin or anything but they're certainly in a different league to PC World.
#11
This is a better spec than that PC World one for around the same £££: Matrix² A3800+; you can add a 7600 for an extra £60 and Mesh are a well respected reputable brand.
#12
For your opinion, this was posted last week from Dell, is this better or worse than the one from mesh.

Components
AMD® Athlon™ 64 X2 Dual Core processor 3600+
Genuine Windows® XP Professional - English
Collect & Return, 1 Year Service only
Dell™ 17" Value Flat Panel (SE177FP) - UK/Irish
1024MB Dual Channel DDR2 533MHz [2x512] Memory
250GB (7200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst™ cache
Integrated nVidia® GeForce® 6150 LE graphics
16x DVD +/- RW Drive
Dell™ Entry Quietkey USB Keyboard - UK/Irish (QWERTY)
Dell 2 Button USB Scroll Optical Mouse - Black
Integrated 7.1 Channel High Definition Audio
Microsoft® Works 8.0 - English
List D04E11a Dimension E521
Collect & Return, 1 Year Service only £352.57 Includes VAT & Shipping
extra £60 for x1300 graphics card

I like the after care of mesh but ive read that wide screen 19" arent very good because u loose height?!? The mesh one has speakers and a better dvd but i think you said earlier that xp was better than vista?!? Im not sure which sound card is better! Well that was my very novices opinion (learnt in less than a week!) Please could you tell me which you would get any why.... thank you very very much
#13
Mesh wins on most counts:

You get an on-site warranty with Mesh, meaning they'll come fix it for you should you have a problem rather than taking it away and leaving you without a computer a la collect and return. You have to pay Dell extra for that.

19" widescreen does loose height compared to a 19" regular screen, but gains width. The reason is the way they measure the screen size, it's measured corner to corner, so bottom left corner to top right will measure 19". The Dell one there is only a regular 17", which is probably more comparable to a widescreen 19" height wise. The 19" wins everytime for me, it's much better for watching DVD's etc on and most modern games support widescreen so there's nothing much lost and some gains through widescreen. But I know a lot of people don't like widescreen, so it's personal preference really.

The Mesh has a slightly better processor, whether or not you 'd notice any difference in the real world is something often debated but it certainly wont hurt.

The DVD drive on the mesh is an 18x, so it's slightly faster than the 16x Dell. That probably equates to a few minutes writing time on a full DVD. I'm not sure if the Dell is dual layer or not? The mesh is, what this means is it can write dual layer DVD's which have twice the capacity (8Gb) of regular writeable DVD's (4Gb).

They both have on board surround sound, the Dell supports more speakers, 7.1 vs 5.1 (the .1 is a subwoofer and the 5/7 are the satellite speakers). I doubt you'll ever use this feature on either though, most people stick with stereo on PC's. Who wants 6-8 speakers around their computer desk, right? Quality wise I doubt you'd ever notice a difference between them unless you fancied getting a 7.1 speaker system.

The 7600GS available for the extra £60 on the Mesh is better than the X1300 available on the Dell, but it all comes out more expensive.

As far as XP vs Vista goes, the reasons I don't like it are long, technical and boring. As a person heavily involved with computers it's a major pain it the behind, you may never notice any of it's issues. But it's certainly worth calling and asking for XP and if there's any discount involved in that; which there should be as Vista's much more expensive.

Aren't the stereo speakers an extra £5 on the Mesh? Maybe I'm wrong? Either way it's worth the extra for the Logitech S200's with the subwoofer. That is of course if you can put up with your lad drowning out the house ;-) hehe.

Personally i'd also go for the wireless keyboard and network (depending how and if you plan to connect it to the internet), but again it's all extra money and it's not necessary.

To me the Mesh is well worth the extra, but it's not my money. My best advice is that the Mesh is better value for the on-site warranty alone, but there's no more value in it if it breaks your budget.
#14
from my experience of dell id never buy off them again....cx service is terrible and I dont actually find them that cheap tbh
#15
When you get your PC you'll probably need some software to go on it, I recommend the following:

AVG or Avast: Are both Anti-virus programs.
Zone Alarm: Is a Firewall to help protect your system against hackers.
CDBurnerXPPro: Simple easy CD/DVD burning (geek speak for writing a CD/DVD) utility.
Firefox & Thunderbird: Firefox is a web browser that beats Internet Explorer in almost every department and Thunderbird is a nice email client to replace Outlook Express.
OpenOffice: Microsoft office replacement, but better, for example it allows you to save as pdf without spending a fortune on adobe acrobat.
Flashget: A download manager, it speeds up and organises your downloads.
Foxit Reader: Similar to Adobe Reader but better, reads pdf, postscript etc.
Irfanview: Great little image viewer, simple but powerful.
VLC: Media player, will play pretty much anything from DVD's to MP3's.
7-Zip: A file archiver similar to Winzip, WinRAR or the built in Windows file archiver, supports every archive format I've come across. Basically this thing compresses your files to save on space, very handy little tool particularly for emailing files that would otherwise be too large.

Best thing about all that is that every single one is 100% free and legal, and most regularly perform better than the 'pay for' alternatives.
#16
That's very helpful megalomaniac...especially with the links included...and I use most of them and support your selection.
#17
Wow your a super hero megalomaniac!!! I am going to print out that list.... very very appreciated. Will go with mesh I think, thank you again :thumbsup:
#18
One other thing, with ZoneAlarm it's the 'basic ZoneAlarm protection' you want. That's the free one, don't let the 'basic' bit fool you it's still the same "award winning" firewall, that just means it doesn't have the extras with it like Virus Scanning, Anti Spyware etc. (all of which can be done better and free elsewhere).
#19
I always goto http://tomshardware.co.uk/ for my upgrade needs. They benchtest all the hardware out of there and give you tips on good value for money and performance etc. I got myself a GeCube 256mb X1850? or something for under £100 which the guide claims to be the fastest AGP card on the market - and after using it, i'd agree with them - its awesome!

Del
#20
I will have the virgin media broadband and apparently its anti virus is free so will i need another one and doesnt windows come with a firewall???

I would love to rep you for all your excellent advice but unfortunately mine doesnt count for anything :oops:
#21
Windows firewall is rubbish, like using cling film instead of glass on your windows to keep the burglars out, very easy to poke holes through. That said if you leave your windows open (firewall off) you're in trouble either way :).

PCguard is what you get with Virgin right? I've never used it so couldn't really comment, but with AVG or Avast and Zone Alarm your pretty well covered by software that regularly beats out the big boys like Norton and Microsoft in independent tests.

Ideally what you want for maximum security is a firewall built into your modem/router, I don't know if that's something Virgin offer?
#22
:thinking: uhmm well urrrrr uhmmm dont think they do... I will call them?! can I have both or do i need 2 disable windows firewall
#23
lucki
:thinking: uhmm well urrrrr uhmmm dont think they do... I will call them?! can I have both or do i need 2 disable windows firewall


I'd disable Windows firewall IF you have something to take its place (i.e. ZoneAlarm), it's just a waste of system resources really.

It's worth calling Virgin and asking, if they don't then ask what discount they offer if you sort out your own hardware (which many broadband providers do) and get something like these:
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/118532http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/102351 for wireless or these:
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/102013http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/102013http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/118648 for wired only.

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